Why I Am Not A Hindu ?- Book Review

[s007bala]

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how do you know pinpointing is "god's inference" ?

becoz divinity is existing within you too.

so, if one's perception can be different from the other coz mentality is different, does it not mean that dharma to one is adharma to another?

dharma is only one.but mentality causes delusion,therefore the variance.

and both see themselves in the role of dharma, and the other's role as adharmic? so 'dharma' wud merely mean a judgemental term?

its mentality which makes the difference causing delusion.

what has this got to do with dharma?

without tapas either by sadhana or thru prarabha karma,dharma will not be known.by doing good deeds only one attains the realisation.

how and why do you think 'everything' is for god's own consumption'?

this is my belief.

how and why do you think i do not know to judge myself? and how and why do you think i am questioning any supremacy?

from the queries that you have posted thus far.

sb

 

[s007bala]

re

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explain please.

you wanted to talk to him face to face:tape:

sb

 

[palindrome]

i am so sorry to tell you,that i am not god,but only a divine spark of the whole god.lol all of us said this will be our last post in this thread,and like a proverbial bad penny,all of us are returning and posting again=sheesh ,what a dingbat i am!!:frusty:

sb

i asked you:

which god has stopped events from happening in the world.

if yes, then does such an act of stopping or starting anything make one god?

if no, then why are they considered god?

it was asked in the context of satya sai being considered an avatar and not doing anything to prevent his devotee from distress.

its ok what others say or don't say, its an open forum, open life, with plenty of freedom to change or unchange the mind...

i did not ask you if you are god or not. so you are a dingbat yourself?

 

[palindrome]

bala,

well you seem to questioning everything,do continue on this mode,eventually you will realise.



i have never seen chacha nehru,but read about him.but i believe,that nehru existed and liberated our country for us as a freedom fighter.similiarly about krishna=its a matter of faith.dharma is also a angam of nambikkai only.

so dharma is part of faith only? so one man's dharma (faith) is another man's adharma and vice-versa...therefore dharma is a judgemental term since to one person his faith makes him see his own action as dharma, and that of the other as adharma?

i accept proh.mohd and sing bhajans praying to allah,yaeshu,yahway,rama ,krishna,.....all religions in this world,as thats how my avatar sathya sai baba has taught me.

but satya sai did not protect his devotee's daughter? why?

plz excuse,not worth my response.



its for you to explore and experiance .if i tell you sugar candy is sweet,unless untill you taste the experiance yourself,you will not know,what is sweet.

i too know that..but you have not answered yet.

you said: "perception is one of the most important reality,if not the reality itself in todays world.as to how this perception is manipulated to ones advantage is whats going about,which is contrary to truth."

so i asked you : "really? then what is the truth?"

and you are yet to answer how perception can be manipulated as contrary to the truth.

i too can say you are manipulating the perception of dharma as contrary to the truth. so what is the truth?

 

[palindrome]

bala,

becoz divinity is existing within you too.

i said: "how do you know to pinpoint which is "adharma"?"

you said: "pinpointing is also gods inference only,acting thru humans as mediums".

i said: "how do you know pinpointing is "god's inference" ?"

now you say "becoz divinity is existing within you".

however, the question asked here was that of dharma.

so if divinity in me understands one thing as dharma and the divinity in an other person understands the opposite as dharma, it means dharma is a judgemental term for each one of us?

dharma is only one.but mentality causes delusion,therefore the variance.

its mentality which makes the difference causing delusion.

one man "perceives" his own dharma as correct and that of the other as delusion. so to each opposite end the other is having mental delusion, and not themselves. so dharma is a judgemental delusional term?

without tapas either by sadhana or thru prarabha karma,dharma will not be known.by doing good deeds only one attains the realisation.

two men do tapas, to each of them dharma is different. ravana also did tapas...he too did his dharma of seeking redressel for his sister's mutilation. so dharma is a judgemental term for each man irrespective of tapas ?..

this is my belief.

if you say it is your beleif that "everything' is for god's own consumption", and if another man thinks everything is not for god's own consumption but his own, then that too his own beleif... so, dharma to a sanyasi is different from dharma to a hedonist ? both believe they are following their own dharma..therefore dharma is a judgemental term?

from the queries that you have posted thus far.

you said: "adarmic have to exist for god to show how dharma is superior .one cannot purely exist with dharma alone,this is deiveega nibhandanai".

i said: "if adharma is bad, then why does it have to exist? is god a judgemental maniac guy who wants to show his "superiority" by creating adharma for you, putting you in distress and then coming to save you?"

you said: "you do not know how to judge your 'self' first by yourself,and then only questioning of gods supremacy?"

i asked: "how and why do you think i do not know to judge myself? and how and why do you think i am questioning any supremacy?"

and you say: "from the queries that you have posted thus far".

so you are judging an other person based on your "perception" ? And it is that same "perception" that makes you judge 'dharma' to be in a certain way. While in an other person, his "perception" leads him to judge 'dharma' in a way that is opposite of yours. So you too are adharmic to him just as the other person is adharmic to you. Therefore dharma is a judgemental term?

 

[palindrome]

Bala,

i shall wait for your answer on this:

[[ you said: "perception is one of the most important reality,if not the reality itself in todays world. as to how this perception is manipulated to ones advantage is whats going about, which is contrary to truth."

so i asked you : "really? then what is the truth?"

and you are yet to answer how perception can be manipulated as contrary to the truth.

i too can say you are manipulating the perception of dharma as contrary to the truth. so what is the truth? ]]

 

[palindrome]

you wanted to talk to him face to face:tape:

sb

Bala you said:
i dont think sapr 333 is staying in delhi

when i asked:
explain please.

So, you presume i am staying in delhi.

Hmmm...so i can say that this is not a case of cognitive disability / synaptic transfer error in a group of emergent behavior that attempts to propound logic as perception...

..instead it seems to be a case of too much "perception" shooting way out of stratosphere into space due to possible illness or injury to the frontal lobes resulting in an extra-ordinary fantasy hallucination.

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

i am pleased that my thoughts about perception has enlightened somebody on this forum - about perception and perceptive reality... let the progress continue...

but let us not reduce this glorious term "perception" to mere redundancy... coz, after terming it redundant, one may find that the usage of the term/logic has particularly increased...!

there is more merit in introspection than in querying and answering... sometimes, and to certain people...

sb, certain things can be explained in certain ways by certain people and to a certain set of people; this may not convince a different set of people, and there, a different logic has to be used, and when one compares such different statements, it may seem that they may conflict, whereas on realizing the purport or objective, it would be certain that it is not so...

so, it may not be necessary to prove out an obvious fact, to someone, who is veiled in layers of guna doshas... just thought, this stmt might help you...

regards,

p.s. got stuck up when the site did not respond... had to remain logged in ... for aeons...

 

[palindrome]

those that explain and write-off or reduce everything to perception probably have no idea why perception can be faulty. Forget the likes of such ppl coming close to any logic.

Things are explained in the same "perception" term to show how perceptive faculties can be totally bonkers - if one assumes its usage has increased after terming it redundant with an explanatory mark, it only shows that person's level of understanding...

those that hold on to adharma (but dharma as per their logic as perception) cud also be seen as those veiled by layers of guna doshas..

 

[malgova.mango]

sesh!

is "VISU" related to you?

regards

 

[sapr333]

Bala >>>i accept proh.mohd and sing bhajans praying to allah,yaeshu,yahway,rama ,krishna,.....all religions in this world,as thats how my avatar sathya sai baba has taught me.>>>



All religions are one ,may be a politically correct statement, but its huge logical fallacy.

Two contradicting philosphies/opinions cannot be simulataneously right.All opinions are equal is what believed by many people like Bala/Sri.Sai Babha ardently, rigidly. But it means racism is as good as anti-racism. Gandhiji is right and Hitler is also right.

If you let each religion speak for itself, you find religions around the world differ greatly on the basic concepts-God, truth, reality,answers to human suffering, reasons for death, life after death, the basic human dilemma and the solution to that dilemma. They differ so much that many of their statements contradict one another. For example, God cannot be both personal, as Christians believe, and impersonal, as Hindus believe. Those are contradictory statements. According to the rules of logic, contradictory statements cannot all be true.

 

[malgova.mango]

correct sap

 

[malgova.mango]

why "sapr333"

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

sesh!

is "VISU" related to you?

regards

you omitted "hn" between the letters "s" and "u":becky:

 

[malgova.mango]

oh - in what way?

 

[malgova.mango]

mango, have you heard the concept of karma-yogam... simply being detached to the results of one's actions? so, if one is a karma yogi and is participating in a team event, the results do not affect him... though it may affect the others... got it now?

Karma Yogam is not detachment to results , it is simply recognizing and living with the fact the results are not in our hand - this knowldge - this is called karma yogam.

For ex - i write the above explanation , i should expect these 4 scenarios...

at the best - you can understand and even better that by giving some similes.

at the middle - you may ask further more questions to clarify

a bit lower step - you may not accept my explanation and remain mute.

at the worst - you may argue , argue and at the end may even hurl abuse to me.

Knowing and expecting all the 4 and ENDEVAOURING to provide an explanation is a work of KARMA YOGI.

periyavallam solluvallolyo - 4 thaiyum yosichhu pannannummnu - athu vera onnum ellai ithu than..

anyway ... one can't do anything without expectation. you went abroad expecting some remuneration ....

regards

 

[s007bala]

re

Bala >>>i accept proh.mohd and sing bhajans praying to allah,yaeshu,yahway,rama ,krishna,.....all religions in this world,as thats how my avatar sathya sai baba has taught me.>>>



All religions are one ,may be a politically correct statement, but its huge logical fallacy.

Two contradicting philosphies/opinions cannot be simulataneously right.All opinions are equal is what believed by many people like Bala/Sri.Sai Babha ardently, rigidly. But it means racism is as good as anti-racism. Gandhiji is right and Hitler is also right.

If you let each religion speak for itself, you find religions around the world differ greatly on the basic concepts-God, truth, reality,answers to human suffering, reasons for death, life after death, the basic human dilemma and the solution to that dilemma. They differ so much that many of their statements contradict one another. For example, God cannot be both personal, as Christians believe, and impersonal, as Hindus believe. Those are contradictory statements. According to the rules of logic, contradictory statements cannot all be true.

to give you an example;(1)all of us in the world eat food,digest it,and excrete it.(2)but ,there are some amongst us,who have researched that vegetarian and non-vegetarian foods,ascertain various levels of rajas,sathvic,tamas -gunams,if either is consumed.

studies done by rishis,munis,baba's,avatarams...etc say eat vegetarian food,freshly chosen vegetables,lentils,rice,wheat...etc.i feel fine,as i dont have to kill animals,fowls,sea-living species...etc.saying i feel happy and content,is becoz of my my karma vasanas,which dictates my mind therefore mentality.

but there is another group,which indulges in killing animals,fowls,sea-living species...etc cooks them nicely and relish eating their flesh,as food.they also digest,and excrete.

so,the process of eating,digesting,excretion is the same for all species.=dharma or sva-dharma.

when ,mentality kicks in,then veg or non-veg,differentiation,starts and people venture to judge people.

whereas both groups do the same action of eating,digesting,excretion.=one simple truth.

sb:hungry:

 

[s007bala]

re

Bala,

i shall wait for your answer on this:

[[ you said: "perception is one of the most important reality,if not the reality itself in todays world. as to how this perception is manipulated to ones advantage is whats going about, which is contrary to truth."

so i asked you : "really? then what is the truth?"

and you are yet to answer how perception can be manipulated as contrary to the truth.

i too can say you are manipulating the perception of dharma as contrary to the truth. so what is the truth? ]]

what is truth?its for you to find out on your own accord,as per your buddhi vicharam.only a sathguru takes initiative out of compassion for his/her fellow beings,and explains.there are lots of gurus in the world,plz follow one of them or dont follow them,but understand from a sampradayic guru,is my earnest hope for you.or choose your own method of ascertaining truth.

this is a vast subject,to expect,such profound statements crisply put here,is not my cup of coffee.:hungry:

sb

 

[s007bala]

re

Bala you said:
i dont think sapr 333 is staying in delhi

when i asked:
explain please.

So, you presume i am staying in delhi.

Hmmm...so i can say that this is not a case of cognitive disability / synaptic transfer error in a group of emergent behavior that attempts to propound logic as perception...

..instead it seems to be a case of too much "perception" shooting way out of stratosphere into space due to possible illness or injury to the frontal lobes resulting in an extra-ordinary fantasy hallucination.

i know he is not staying in delhi.

sb

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

Karma Yogam is not detachment to results , it is simply recognizing and living with the fact the results are not in our hand - this knowldge - this is called karma yogam.

results are sometimes in our hands and sometimes not... if results were only with god, we need not have intelligence and individuality and a choice to act...

For ex - i write the above explanation , i should expect these 4 scenarios...

at the best - you can understand and even better that by giving some similes.

at the middle - you may ask further more questions to clarify

a bit lower step - you may not accept my explanation and remain mute.

at the worst - you may argue , argue and at the end may even hurl abuse to me.

these are just possibilities; that does not indicate that results are not in our hands...

regards

 

[sapr333]

Bala, Im refering your post# 543.

In nut shell, I conveyed the message,that, 2 contradictory doctines/Philosophies cannot be right, since its a logical fallacy, and gave you some examples to prove it too..

Instead of proving me wrong, you went on to divert the talk about Veg Vs Non-Veg, which is just a food habit/Culture/dietary law, and is no way related to logics, and no way relevant to our core theme of our discussion.. Pls stick to forum etiquettes..

Let me even attempt to take your view of Non-Veg Vs Veg... In accordance to your worldview, do you agree both and non-veg and Pure-Veg can co-exist with Brahmana culture? Do you agree with co-existence of both ideologies? I'm sure you would take a quick decision to say NO, cos, you have already agreed to my point, cos, if you say YES, that would become a logical fallacy

PS: Still Im not clear, why you dragged this Vegetarianism inside!!!

 

[s007bala]

re

Bala, Im refering your post# 543.

In nut shell, I conveyed the message,that, 2 contradictory doctines/Philosophies cannot be right, since its a logical fallacy, and gave you some examples to prove it too..

Instead of proving me wrong, you went on to divert the talk about Veg Vs Non-Veg, which is just a food habit/Culture/dietary law, and is no way related to logics, and no way relevant to our core theme of our discussion.. Pls stick to forum etiquettes..

Let me even attempt to take your view of Non-Veg Vs Veg... In accordance to your worldview, do you agree both and non-veg and Pure-Veg can co-exist with Brahmana culture? Do you agree with co-existence of both ideologies? I'm sure you can take an easy decision on this..

PS: Still Im not clear, why you dragged this Vegetarianism inside!!!

sappy

i gave that analogy to say,dharma is only one.but when you start differentiatiing,then mentality creeps in,leading to delusion,of truth.as truth is one=eating.=digesting=excretement.

i eat everything under the sun,as everything is bhagavan prasadam.but,i still prefer brahman food especially the tamizh tanjavur style.something about tanjore cuisine,slurp.:hungry:

sb

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

Bala, Im refering your post# 543.

Instead of proving me wrong, you went on to divert the talk about Veg Vs Non-Veg, which is just a food habit/Culture/dietary law, and is no way related to logics, and no way relevant to our core theme of our discussion.. Pls stick to forum etiquettes..

PS: Still Im not clear, why you dragged this Vegetarianism inside!!![/QUOTE]
in his post, he has stated clearly that it as an example for the oneness of religions (common functions of the body - eating, digesting, and excreting), even if practices (eating habits) differ...

even more crisply - he says that all religions is the same; but people with distorted perceptions are the ones who differentiate and discriminate...

and, there is no breach of forum etiquette here...

 

[sapr333]

i know he is not staying in delhi.

sb

Bala, what if I say, that,Im staying in Green Land or Arctic.. Your perception would be proved wrong right.. Anyways, lets not ponder on these personal issues... Lets stick to the discussion on this forum. Thanks in advance.

 

[palindrome]

what is truth?its for you to find out on your own accord,as per your buddhi vicharam.only a sathguru takes initiative out of compassion for his/her fellow beings,and explains.there are lots of gurus in the world,plz follow one of them or dont follow them,but understand from a sampradayic guru,is my earnest hope for you.or choose your own method of ascertaining truth.

this is a vast subject,to expect,such profound statements crisply put here,is not my cup of coffee.:hungry:

sb

am not looking for a ramble on sathguru....i did not ask your advice on finding gurus..

you are yet to answer why satya sai did not help his earnest devotee by preventing his daughter from being ruined....

it is you who said perception can be manipulated to one's advantage and made contrary to the truth.

i did not ask you for anything on "truth" as a stand-alone statement (you think i wud ask you any such thing).

I asked "so what is the truth" after a sentence: i too can say you are manipulating the perception of dharma as contrary to the truth.

you have yet to answer that.