Why no Navagraha in Sri Vishnu Temples?

[krish44]

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two sides of the same coin.lol

 

[CHANDRU1849]

How is it that Vaishnavas always almost 99.9999999999999999999% or I can say even 100% hold on so tight to the fact that only Narayana is supreme and what they have been taught to believe in is the truth..the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

They hold on to their belief..identify with it fully till the end...How is this possible?

Each religion and various branches of each religion have their own principles and procedures. Hence, it is nothing new that one sect of Hinduism follows some specific ideology.

In Islam, Sunnis and Shias are totally different and they even went to the extent of fighting each other regularly.

In Christianity also the same thing happens between Catholics and Protestants. One of my supervisors, who was a Protestant and also a preacher, never recognized Catholics. He even went on to say 'Work Ethics is more in Protestant Countries than Catholic Countries'.

Even in Buddhism and Jainism there are different branches.

Take the case of Smartha Brahmins, six Gods are accepted for worshipping and most of the Smarthas follow it till date. Only people like me, after analyzing the background, role and activities of some Men in the name of God, decides not to give much importance, as such God Men are redundant and didn't really do anything good.

It definitely doesn't confine to one sect of Hinduism. It prevails in all Religions and various branches of such religions.

You put the same question to staunch Smartha Brahmins as to why they worship multiple Gods for suitable reply.

 

[P.J.]

Smartha: The system prevalent in Hinduism is defined by the Smartha philosophy; this theory allows for the veneration of numberless deities, but on the understanding that all of them are but manifestation of a single divine power.

Theologies of Immanence / Polytheism

 

[renuka]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

Thank you for the reply.

 

[renuka]

two sides of the same coin.lol

But you see the coin has the same side both sides...get it?

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

renukaji
well I was trying to find out if I could get away posting something like this.

see I have got you all mixed up.

this is what happens when one tries to talk religion.

one gets carried away and posts foolish things.lol

some vaishnavites are fanatics.others are not. it all depends whom you come in contact with

some vaishnavites are fanatics. Shall we call them Jihadis? See the similarity Only Narayana or Allaha! Islam doesnot belive in Avataras and hence only one Allaha ! unlike 10 naryanas in 10 Avatars! To feel Allaha you dont need Idols But Naryana needs to presnt in front of you as an Idol to realize him! But this is common to both "Myway - Highway"!!

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

It is very simple. Vaishnavites do not subscribe to the theory of harihara sudan. Rather we consider it as a concoction by someone who took a few pegs more of his favourite Bacardi or Arrack. For vaishnavites Ayyappa is just Sastha who is one of the Devatas. Much before this Sabarimala Ayyappa became famous, the smartha brahmins of Tamilnadu had this sastha worship well established. In fact many such families have sastha as the kuladeivam for them. Usually such Sastha temples are in the banks or in the midst of irrigation tanks in southern tamilnadu villages. Ayyappa, hariharasudan, the salacious story of Siva losing his balance and begetting the child through mohini etc are all later day X rated reels.

It is very simple. Vaishnavites do not subscribe to the theory of harihara sudan. Rather we consider it as a concoction by someone who took a few pegs more of his favourite Bacardi or Arrack. ?From the pot Mohini thieved from Asuras!

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

two sides of the same coin.lol

Call it.Two sides of the same Dosai! The popular prasd you get in Vaishnavite temples!

 

[Vaagmi]

It is very simple. Vaishnavites do not subscribe to the theory of harihara sudan. Rather we consider it as a concoction by someone who took a few pegs more of his favourite Bacardi or Arrack. ?From the pot Mohini thieved from Asuras!

So the Amrit that was given to devas in preference to asuras was just Bacardi or Arrack and that too was thieved stuff. What a piece of valuable information!! I think the TB members here would cherish this moment of revelation by JJ.

Till I read this post of JJ I was under the strong impression that members do not come here after imbibing a couple of pegs of Bacardi. Well now I have changed that impression.

Thanks JJ for the great revelation. But I have no time for the likes of you. I would prefer your skipping my posts here. Bye.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

Thank you for the reply.

Dear Renukaji,

That was a cryptic reply very much unlike you.

Or is it that I have really satisfied your quest for truth.

If you say yes, then I can quit this forum. There will be no one left for whom I will write.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

So the Amrit that was given to devas in preference to asuras was just Bacardi or Arrack and that too was thieved stuff. What a piece of valuable information!! I think the TB members here would cherish this moment of revelation by JJ.

Till I read this post of JJ I was under the strong impression that members do not come here after imbibing a couple of pegs of Bacardi. Well now I have changed that impression.

Thanks JJ for the great revelation. But I have no time for the likes of you. I would prefer your skipping my posts here. Bye.

I am back home after visiting Thgallakulam perumal Koil where I was offered an Utharani Theertham and Tulsi which I cosumed. This post is just after that You can have your own impression if this is Bocardi

This is no new rvelation! Knowldgeable Vaishnava should know about Ramanuja going up the Koil Tower in Thirukoshtiyurr Proclaiming Namo Naryana in high decible to spread that message to everyone though he was advised against it! But you arer asking me to skip your posting which is in public domain!! If you no have times for the likes of me then close your eyes and donot read as it is inconvenient to you ! We can see you have a tubular Vision! Your preferance is my pleasure!

 

[krish44]

Dear Renukaji,

That was a cryptic reply very much unlike you.

Or is it that I have really satisfied your quest for truth.

If you say yes, then I can quit this forum. There will be no one left for whom I will write.

a very late realisation.lol

actually there is no one left for some

 

[krish44]

I am back home after visiting Thgallakulam perumal Koil where I was offered an Utharani Theertham and Tulsi which I cosumed. This post is just after that You can have your own impression if this is Bocardi

This is no new rvelation! Knowldgeable Vaishnava should know about Ramanuja going up the Koil Tower in Thirukoshtiyurr Proclaiming Namo Naryana in high decible to spread that message to everyone though he was advised against it! But you arer asking me to skip your posting which is in public domain!! If you no have times for the likes of me then close your eyes and donot read as it is inconvenient to you ! We can see you have a tubular Vision! Your preferance is my pleasure!

claps.

thats the spirit.keep it up

The feel good factor is increasing reading your posts

you are a breathe of fresh air

regards

 

[JR]

Dear friends,

Same Ramanuja did disagree with his guru Yadava Prakasa for his blasphemy on Lord Narayana's name (comparing the Lord's eyes to the bottom of the monkey)! Let us not forget that!

 

[renuka]

Dear Renukaji,

That was a cryptic reply very much unlike you.

Or is it that I have really satisfied your quest for truth.

If you say yes, then I can quit this forum. There will be no one left for whom I will write.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

What did you want to hear?

Tell me what you wanted to hear and I will make you happier.

Seems to me that a 'Thank You" was not enough and you want more.

Why do you want to quit forum is if I say that "Yes..you have satisfied my quest for truth"?

The quest for Truth never ends...frankly speaking it has no beginning either..its just that the mind keeps changing its approach to Truth and each approach is a new endeavor and a never ending story.

So keep on writing for me...the story never ends..thank you again and again.

BTW Vaagmi Ji...Its nice to know that you are in forum solely for me.Its like having a personal "avatar"!LOL

 

[renuka]

Dear friends,

Same Ramanuja did disagree with his guru Yadava Prakasa for his blasphemy on Lord Narayana's name (comparing the Lord's eyes to the bottom of the monkey)! Let us not forget that!

Dear JR,

This I really cant understand...why Ramanuja felt bad?

I know a monkey's bottom does not have a visual apparatus..but if a person has Samadarshinah..he should not feel bad becos for a person with Samadarshinah everything becomes the Lord and everything is as beautiful as the Lord including a monkey's bottom.

After all even Arjuna used a Kapi as his Dwaja..so what is so wrong if a monkey is turned upside down and we focus on the gluteal region and feel God is present anywhere?

May be Ramanuja's guru was trying to help Ramanuja get over his fixation and attachment to the form of Narayana.

 

[JR]

Dear JR,

This I really cant understand...why Ramanuja felt bad?

I know a monkey's bottom does not have a visual apparatus..but if a person has Samadarshinah..he should not feel bad becos for a person with Samadarshinah everything becomes the Lord and everything is as beautiful as the Lord including a monkey's bottom.

After all even Arjuna used a Kapi as his Dwaja..so what is so wrong if a monkey is turned upside down and we focus on the gluteal region and feel God is present anywhere?

Dear Doc,

For the very same reason we do not have our puja room in a lavatory.

I don't think the qualifier is the bottom of a 'monkey' but to be the 'bottom' of a monkey!

 

[renuka]

Dear Doc,

For the very same reason we do not have our puja room in a lavatory.

I don't think the qualifier is the bottom of a 'monkey' but to be the 'bottom' of a monkey!

Dear JR,

We can pray anywhere becos prayer is not just confined to a room.

Prayer stems from the heart.

BTW what is so offending of a monkey's bottom?

It is cute..believe me..I grew up in a house which was surrounded by a jungle and daily monkeys used to come to my house.

The species of monkeys were the common Macaque and their bottoms were a lovely shade of pink like a lotus petal.

BTW on technical grounds I do not think Ramanuja's guru was wrong..after all the eyes of God is always compared to a Lotus Petal.
A monkey and its bottom is higher up in the evolution scale compared to a Lotus flower.

BTW I still feel Ramanuja's guru wanted to rid Ramanuja of his fixation to Narayana.

Even Ramakrishna Paramahansa's guru was using "harsh" measures to make RK get over his fixation for Kali.

 

[JR]

BTW on technical grounds I do not think Ramanuja's guru was wrong..after all the eyes of God is always compared to a Lotus Petal.
A monkey and its bottom is higher up in the evolution scale compared to a Lotus flower.

Dear Doc,

Not everything confines itself within the parameters of 'evolution scale'. Our extreta is 'filthy' though we are the highest up in the hierarchy, whereas the cow's excreta is 'sacred' (even scientifically proven anti-bacterial disinfectant) though the cow is lower up in hierarchy!

 

[renuka]

Dear Doc,

Not everything confines itself within the parameters of 'evolution scale'. Our extreta is 'filthy' though we are the highest up in the hierarchy, whereas the cow's excreta is 'sacred' (even scientifically proven anti-bacterial disinfectant) though the cow is lower up in hierarchy!

I dont know why we always want to think of ourselves as filthy?

Well human excreta does contain E coli and but at the same time Cow Dung can also contain Tuberculosis Bacilli.

So all excreta do carry some amount of health risk.

If we start to eat grass 24/7 I am sure we would also have less infective excreta and give cows a run for their money.


BTW that's besides the point...the fact is we ordinary humans still see duality is everything but Ramanuja had NO excuse to get worked up when the eyes of Narayana were compared to something he did not like.

Why?

Becos he had a fixation that Narayana can not be so called "degraded"..but the fact is God is beyond praise and blame.

 

[JR]

Dear Doc,

I am sure yourself or anyone interested can write a poem comparing a Lotus to a monkey's or donkey's bottom, but there is such a thing called 'societal standards and norms' by which certain things are considered sacred and certain are not, and the question here is not what can be compared to what not, but rather whether a scholar like Yadava Prakasa is ignorant to the extent of comparing something that was sacred to someone with something not so, as per the dictums established by the society.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

there is another classification -foolish and non foolish.

many who spend hours dissecting single and multi god worships belong to former category.

with their knowledge , they can make useful contributions instead of talking of subsect divisions in

brahmin community and feeling extra holy about their sub castes

there is another classification -foolish and non foolish

I totally agree. They create a Vaikundam of their own. This again I write after my morning peg of Thirupavai by R. Vedavalli on Podhigai at 5.30AM Please donot visualize Bocardi in the peg Foolish group can enter than own Fools Paradise rather Vaikuntam The doors will be thrown open Shortly on Ekadasi! Choice is theirs

The second group is realizing that the path of this thread may lead to "Thirusangu" but not to true Sorgam!!

 

[renuka]

Dear Doc,

I am sure yourself or anyone interested can write a poem comparing a Lotus to a monkey's or donkey's bottom, but there is such a thing called 'societal standards and norms' by which certain things are considered sacred and certain are not, and the question here is not what can be compared to what not, but rather whether a scholar like Yadava Prakasa is ignorant to the extent of comparing something that was sacred to someone with something not so, as per the dictums established by the society.

Dear JR,

You read my mind!LOL

I was thinking of writing a poem on the beauty of a monkey's bottom.

I do not follow rigid rules..I follow my heart.So for me there is beauty in everything.

When I became a mother I told my mum that a human baby has so much in common with a primate both are so dependent on their mothers just like how a baby monkey clings on to their mum"

When I said this my mum got angry with me!

She said "OMG is that the only thing you can think of?"

I was wondering why she got so mad.

I have a tendency to call animals as humans too for example if I call the cats around the house(the neighbour's cats)..babies and I tell them "are you hungry..Amma will give you food..waits Ok my Kutty babies"

So I tend to humanize animals and feel we have so much in common with animals.


What a feelings coming over me...
There is wonder in most everything I see..
From the stars to the bottoms,
All I see is wonder and wonder is my anthem.




BTW Ramanuja's guru was NOT ignorant. He was well aware that God is beyond praise and blame.It was Ramanuja that had a fixation on only praise.

 

[JR]

BTW Ramanuja's guru was NOT ignorant. He was well aware that God is beyond praise and blame.It was Ramanuja that had a fixation on only praise.

Dear Doc,

Ofcourse, it is not 'god' who was mad at Yadava Prakasa, it was Ramanuja the 'man'! Praise and blame do not affect god, but it does to a man and his feelings for someone else, including 'god'. You can try this out by substituting praises for blames when you address others and their loved ones. Being ignorant of this shows the heights of Yadava Prakasa's ignorance ( of social norms too.)

 

[JR]

I dont know why we always want to think of ourselves as filthy?

Dear Doc,

Show me the place where I said "we are filthy".

I regard human body as the temple of god. But not everything that comes out of it is qualified to be in a temple.