Why no Navagraha in Sri Vishnu Temples?

[renuka]

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Dear Doc,

Show me the place where I said "we are filthy".

I regard human body as the temple of god. But not everything that comes out of it is qualified to be in a temple.

dear JR,

I did not say You as in JR said...I was general..I used the word WE.

I was denoting that we humans always think of ourselves as filthy.

I did not use the word "YOU"

Many a times we read in religious text that the human body is described as filthy..carrying phelgm.bile, excreta etc.

Even in Manu smirti there is line that describes God's feet as a vile region when they describe the Sudra.

It says that a Sudra comes from a vile region of the Supreme Person..His feet.

So all a sudden God's feet is vile and the next moment we also describe the feet as Lotus Feet? Confusing!LOL

 

[renuka]

Dear Doc,

Ofcourse, it is not 'god' who was mad at Yadava Prakasa, it was Ramanuja the 'man'! Praise and blame do not affect god, but it does to a man and his feelings for someone else, including 'god'. You can try this out by substituting praises for blames when you address others and their loved ones. Being ignorant of this shows the heights of Yadava Prakasa's ignorance ( of social norms too.)

Dear JR,

Again I feel that Yadava Prakasha was doing the greatest service to Ramanuja by trying to remove the fixation Ramanuja had on God.

So its not ignorance..a true Guru does not baby sit the feelings of his shisya..He tells him the Truth...even if it sounds bitter it still better than falsehood that makes the shisya be deluded that God is only to be praised and seen only in socially accepted "beautiful" things.

After all even Lord Shiva bluntly cornered Adi Shankara in the famous Chandala episode...that was to remove Adi S fixation on ritual purity.

 

[krish44]

there is another classification -foolish and non foolish

I totally agree. They create a Vaikundam of their own. This again I write after my morning peg of Thirupavai by R. Vedavalli on Podhigai at 5.30AM Please donot visualize Bocardi in the peg Foolish group can enter than own Fools Paradise rather Vaikuntam The doors will be thrown open Shortly on Ekadasi! Choice is theirs

The second group is realizing that the path of this thread may lead to "Thirusangu" but not to true Sorgam!!

jj when is ekadesi?

I try to go to pachas[my short for triplicane God ] abode in chennai to get crushed into chutney

along with the devout crowds on ekadesi day

this vaikunta vaasal opening makes many go crazy

any peg of paavai or tiruppavai is good for the human soul.

Thirusangu might be a good option . why not, if some people follow the unholy path and end up

with a sorgam not to their liking

 

[krish44]

Dear Doc,

I am sure yourself or anyone interested can write a poem comparing a Lotus to a monkey's or donkey's bottom, but there is such a thing called 'societal standards and norms' by which certain things are considered sacred and certain are not, and the question here is not what can be compared to what not, but rather whether a scholar like Yadava Prakasa is ignorant to the extent of comparing something that was sacred to someone with something not so, as per the dictums established by the society.

you are on right track IMHO

no one should defy societal standards and norms to do something which is unsacred .

monkeys bottom falls in the unsacred class . others are only pulling your legs.

you stick to your guns . we will clap our hands for you

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Dear Doc,

Not everything confines itself within the parameters of 'evolution scale'. Our extreta is 'filthy' though we are the highest up in the hierarchy, whereas the cow's excreta is 'sacred' (even scientifically proven anti-bacterial disinfectant) though the cow is lower up in hierarchy!

Remember Shri morarji Desai! He can vouch for the the "sacred' (even scientifically proven anti-bacterial disinfectant) for liquid human excreta -though the cow is lower up in hierarchy![/QUOTE]

 

[renuka]

you are on right track IMHO

no one should defy societal standards and norms to do something which is unsacred .

monkeys bottom falls in the unsacred class . others are only pulling your legs.

you stick to your guns . we will clap our hands for you

Kapi....Kapi..Kapi?

Are you a monkey as in Kapi or are you Kam Pibati Iti Kapi.... that drinks water as in Sun Rays?

Whether its the rays or the sun..or a monkey..dont both radiate the Lord?

Monkey or Sun...Both are indeed from God.

My heart cries in tears of blood when the Rays of Sun is honoured but the Monkey is not.

Why?? Why?? Why do we humans divide? O' Monkey O' Sun...fear not for I love you both.

 

[krish44]

Remember Shri morarji Desai! He can vouch for the the "sacred' (even scientifically proven anti-bacterial disinfectant) for liquid human excreta -though the cow is lower up in hierarchy!

[/QUOTE]
how many would like to drink the sacred liquid recommended by morarji bhai?

 

[krish44]

somewhere rationality asserts itself and triumphs over the crazy followers of God finding glory in

monkeys bottoms and in drinking human excreta.

thinking differently should not mean taking a perverted view of religion .

it has to be limited and tempered by logical reasoning and what is sensible for human race.

those who are crazy need to go to lunatic asylum and not given godly status for worship by

other humans.many godmen fall into this category.so also some fringe posters questioning

every belief

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

how many would like to drink the sacred liquid recommended by morarji bhai?[/QUOTE]


From Jokes apart Urine is essential part of Modern meicine When Healing Built was found during world war 2 it was in limited supply and not available for use freely . When a patient is put on Pencillin for the next dose it was collected from his urine and used again. some thing like auto trsfusion when blood is not available Draw the blood from the patient store it again use it on him at a later date This is the theory behind Moraji's urine Thearapy I am not knowldgeble enough to vouch for sanctity

 

[tbs]

jj when is ekadesi?

I try to go to pachas[my short for triplicane God ] abode in chennai to get crushed into chutney

along with the devout crowds on ekadesi day

this vaikunta vaasal opening makes many go crazy

any peg of paavai or tiruppavai is good for the human soul.

Thirusangu might be a good option . why not, if some people follow the unholy path and end up

with a sorgam not to their liking

hi

i had chutney experience in pachas abt some yrs back...long lines in mada veedhis...but i had nice VAIKUNTA EKADASSI DARSHAN

IN SRIRANGAM SOME YRS BACK....

 

[renuka]

somewhere rationality asserts itself and triumphs over the crazy followers of God finding glory in

monkeys bottoms and in drinking human excreta.

thinking differently should not mean taking a perverted view of religion .

it has to be limited and tempered by logical reasoning and what is sensible for human race.

those who are crazy need to go to lunatic asylum and not given godly status for worship by

other humans.many godmen fall into this category.so also some fringe posters questioning

every belief

The most important fact is Logic is missing.

We say God is all pervading. Fine.

Then none of us have seen God. This is a fact!

Then some describe the eyes of God like a Lotus Petal...that is based on imagination..am I not correct?

Ok..then why cant someone else imagine it to be like a Monkey's bottom?

Since no of us have seen God why only choose Lotus Petals and not Monkey's bottom?

So since we do not know..we have to accept everything. That is being totally fair and square.

Rejecting some and accepting some is NOT fair.

 

[krish44]

The most important fact is Logic is missing.

We say God is all pervading. Fine.

Then none of us have seen God. This is a fact!

Then some describe the eyes of God like a Lotus Petal...that is based on imagination..am I not correct?

Ok..then why cant someone else imagine it to be like a Monkey's bottom?

Since no of us have seen God why only choose Lotus Petals and not Monkey's bottom?

So since we do not know..we have to accept everything. That is being totally fair and square.

Rejecting some and accepting some is NOT fair.

see renukaji
God as a concept is based on faith

when faith is to be sold to masses God is to be painted with super human qualities and made

attractive by likening it to rose petals.

if our description of God leads to revulsion , who will accept such a God?

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

jj when is ekadesi?

I try to go to pachas[my short for triplicane God ] abode in chennai to get crushed into chutney

along with the devout crowds on ekadesi day

this vaikunta vaasal opening makes many go crazy

any peg of paavai or tiruppavai is good for the human soul.

Thirusangu might be a good option . why not, if some people follow the unholy path and end up

with a sorgam not to their liking

Think of it ! I was living close to Pachas at 48 car St just opposite to Theyir Muttiy - Corner house abutting Sunkuwa st in 60s!

By the way what is the "Check in Time" for Sorgam on Ekadasi Here in one temple- Koodal Alagar Perumal Temple - Evening around 6PM and not like other sorgam including Pachas where it is around 6 AM. Rember this temples defies the Knwledgable Vainavas justification -Why No Navagrhas in their temples? It has Navagraham !! I am really curious to know why this differance in Check in Time also

 

[zebra16]

Dear friends,

Same Ramanuja did disagree with his guru Yadava Prakasa for his blasphemy on Lord Narayana's name (comparing the Lord's eyes to the bottom of the monkey)! Let us not forget that!

One should not go overboard in believing urban legends. Vaishnavites and non-vaishnavites alike, including Ramajuna, all believers of Hinduism have no problems with varaha-avatara and varaha murthi. Some of the posts also talk about evolution in the passing. A kapi is much more evolved than a varaham and has better hygienic standards. Urban legends are full of contradictions.

 

[renuka]

see renukaji
God as a concept is based on faith

when faith is to be sold to masses God is to be painted with super human qualities and made

attractive by likening it to rose petals.

if our description of God leads to revulsion , who will accept such a God?

dear Krish ji,

When a human Indian Husband is marketed as Kallanalum Kannavan Pullanalum Purushan and it still sells..why does God alone have to be Sugar and Spice and Everything Nice?


God is supposed to be formless and beyond form..so all forms are His..be it Good or Bad or Ugly.

 

[krish44]

dear Krish ji,

When a human Indian Husband is marketed as Kallanalum Kannavan Pullanalum Purushan and it still sells..why does God alone have to be Sugar and Spice and Everything nice?

marriage
God is supposed to be formless and beyond form..so all forms are His..be it Good or Bad or Ugly.

KKPP is only after years of marriage when the girl tries to run away from husband.

at marriage time, husbands are no less than a devatha.lol

 

[renuka]

KKPP is only after years of marriage when the girl tries to run away from husband.

at marriage time, husbands are no less than a devatha.lol

Dear Krish ji,


To solve this Monkey bottom problem I am reminded of this song.

Kallai Mattum Kandal Kadavul Theriyathu,
Kadavul Mattum Kandal Kalladi Theriyathu..

My Tamil is not good to alter it..but what I want to convey is:

God won't be seen if we see Him as a mere monkey,
The monkey won't be seen if God is seen in it.

 

[krish44]

Dear Krish ji,


To solve this Monkey bottom problem I am reminded of this song.


My Tamil is not good to alter it..but what I want to convey is:

God won't be seen if we see Him as a mere monkey,
The monkey won't be seen if God is seen in it.

we do worship hanuman a monkey god.

bachelors in north are hanuman bhakths.

Also worship of cow is also not unknown.

but some particular part of monkey not considered decent for worship.

but union of shiva and parvathi is worshipped in shiva temples.

various body parts of parvathi are worshipped in different jyothirlinga kshetras of shiva all over india

why some are and why not some only worshipped those decided on it can give a reasonable

explanation .

 

[sangom]

dear JR,

There is no difference between Jnaana Marga and Bhakti Marg...both are boats that finally take across the ocean of Samsar.

The problem is both followers of Jnaana and Bhakti stand the risk of not getting off the boat when it reaches it destination..let me explain..

1)The Jnaana Marg person might wonder "Is it the time to leave the boat? Have I reached?..then he starts to wonder "Well may be its Maya deluding me into thinking I have reached...I think I will wait a little while more"

And he still waits in the boat becos he does not want to leave analysis and logic behind.


2)The Bhakti Marg person on the other hand is emotional..the boat is his identity......he cries "Aiyooo my boat...how can I leave you and get down....you brought me accross the ocean of samsara..but how to leave you behind...NO NO.>>>>>I wont leave you behind...I need you....I love you......"

and he too remains in the boat becos he does not want to leave his chosen form of Divinity behind..


Ever wondered why Krishna said that hardly one person reaches Him?LOL

The Jnaana Marg person might wonder "Is it the time to leave the boat? Have I reached?..then he starts to wonder "Well may be its Maya deluding me into thinking I have reached...I think I will wait a little while more"

This is not possible. Because, the moment a person "arrives" on the other shore (of the samsaara) there will be no "I" feeling and also not any doubt regarding "reaching" because all such notions will stop being relevant.

But in the case of bhaktimarga, the philosophies (VA and D) themselves state that the jeeva does not ever become the Supreme God, except in "the rarest of rare cases" as our legal experts say, sometimes!

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

What did you want to hear?

Tell me what you wanted to hear and I will make you happier.

Seems to me that a 'Thank You" was not enough and you want more.

Why do you want to quit forum is if I say that "Yes..you have satisfied my quest for truth"?

The quest for Truth never ends...frankly speaking it has no beginning either..its just that the mind keeps changing its approach to Truth and each approach is a new endeavor and a never ending story.

So keep on writing for me...the story never ends..thank you again and again.

BTW Vaagmi Ji...Its nice to know that you are in forum solely for me.Its like having a personal "avatar"!LOL

That is more like you.

Particularly the "personal avatar" part of it.

இத இத இதத்தான் எதிர்பாத்தேன்.

I will continue. LOL.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear JR,

This I really cant understand...why Ramanuja felt bad?

I know a monkey's bottom does not have a visual apparatus..but if a person has Samadarshinah..he should not feel bad becos for a person with Samadarshinah everything becomes the Lord and everything is as beautiful as the Lord including a monkey's bottom.

After all even Arjuna used a Kapi as his Dwaja..so what is so wrong if a monkey is turned upside down and we focus on the gluteal region and feel God is present anywhere?

May be Ramanuja's guru was trying to help Ramanuja get over his fixation and attachment to the form of Narayana.

Samadarshinah in the wrong place and in the wrong context.

The explanation was given by the "GURU" with bad intentions. Ramanuja understood that. So he felt bad.

The attachment to the form of Narayana was no where there in the discussion.

Later the same Guru became a sishya of Ramanuja and studied visishtadvaitam.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear JR,...................

BTW Ramanuja's guru was NOT ignorant. He was well aware that God is beyond praise and blame.It was Ramanuja that had a fixation on only praise.

The denouement came when the guru requested Ramanuja to accept him as a sishya. LOL

 

[Vaagmi]

I try to go to pachas[my short for triplicane God ] abode in chennai to get crushed into chutney

along with the devout crowds on ekadesi day

this vaikunta vaasal opening makes many go crazy

any peg of paavai or tiruppavai is good for the human soul.

Thirusangu might be a good option . why not, if some people follow the unholy path and end up

with a sorgam not to their liking

krish44ji,

For a moment I could not believe your words. You going to pacha's temple. No chance.

May be it is your coat stand that made that post. LOL.

Continue your dalliance. It is fun watching it. LOL.

 

[Vaagmi]

KKPP is only after years of marriage when the girl tries to run away from husband.

at marriage time, husbands are no less than a devatha.lol

Very true. At marriage time he is kall and years after he becomes pull and so she runs away. LOL.

 

[renuka]

That is more like you.

Particularly the "personal avatar" part of it.

இத இத இதத்தான் எதிர்பாத்தேன்.

I will continue. LOL.

Now it seems like you are having expectations..so you can not be the "personal avatar"..your role has changed now..since you desire and have expectations..its my "duty" to fulfill those expectations...so that makes you my Bhakta!LOL

Wow..now I love VA cos I can be God and Vaagmi ji my bhakta!