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Worshipping while Menstruating: What's wrong in it?

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That is why JK has no followers. He was disinherited by his adopted mother and guru. Anybody can say anything. But if the teachings are not in line with bharateeya culture, tradition and scriptures, they will simply evaporate.

Dear Sarang ji,

JK was not really the follower seeking types.He was not afraid to speak what came to his mind.

BTW nothing actually evaporates even though even water seems to evaporate but the H20 make up yet remains..likewise JK might not have many fans in a society that is afraid of testing the waters of tradition but his words will still live on in the minds of those who dared to explore just a little bit more that what meets the eye.
 
Dear Renu,

Ladies surely have some discomfort during 'those' days and hence are not allowed to go to temples or participate

in special poojas. Some people argue that human waste will be always in the body and hence what is wrong in visiting

temples with periods! But, the other wastes are inside the body where as the bleeding is not, during those days!

I hope you understand and will agree that the bleeding is after all impure.
 
On more than one occasion I had entered the srirangam temple during my periods. none including the priest could sense that I am in my periods. (the cracks in the temple tower had developed long before I had my first periods, lest I be blamed). the idol of lord ranganatha is intact and is hardly impacted by my periods.

I had visited jeer of ahobila mutt several times when I had periods for his blessings. he could sense my period status neither.

I found nowhere written in any hindu scripture that women are forbidden entry into temples or from worshipping God during periods. hardly anyone knows the source of these rules.
 
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Rajiji,
We are going to differ on this topic.
Who made the "rule", If God made it I have no objection, If it is man made it should be up to the Individual. It is not against any constitutional provision, If it is honor system then how are you going to enforce it uniformly? Will there be "period Police with dogs" to sniff out. Is there no objection to people with dirty mind coming to the temple? How about sick people coming to the temple? I think it is selective discrimination.
 
Rajiji,
We are going to differ on this topic.
Who made the "rule", If God made it I have no objection, If it is man made it should be up to the Individual. It is not against any constitutional provision, If it is honor system then how are you going to enforce it uniformly? Will there be "period Police with dogs" to sniff out. Is there no objection to people with dirty mind coming to the temple? How about sick people coming to the temple? I think it is selective discrimination.
​Dear Prasad Sir,

All forms of Gods and Goddesses are CREATED by humans! So, how can God make any rule? :)

And........ since no one can 'find out' by seeing or touching the head, some women are bold enough to enter Srirangam

temple and also get blessing from Gurus on 'those' days too! May be they will get punished in the next birth!! :lol:

Rarely humans have a pure mind, Sir! So, at least let the body and cloths be clean while visiting a temple!

P.S: 1. There are enough number of people who visit temples just to dash against women!!
 
In browsing the discussion in this thread, I am reminded of the following quote:

“When mores are sufficient, laws are unnecessary; when mores are insufficient, laws are unenforceable.”
Émile Durkheim

A temple is a place for a community. Every public place has certain code of conduct expected but are not enforceable.

In this self centered society where 'individual rights' dominate over any collective mores the idea of some people in the society is to get away if there are no laws or there are unenforceable laws or unenforceable code of conduct.

Therefore a waiter if angry is free to spit in the food and give to the 'demanding customer' as long as he can get away with it.
What the above act (described as an example) demonstrates is the low character & maturity of the individual and of the management.

In Hindu forms of worship there is no locus of existence for the Lord. One can have a place of worship anywhere and not just at a temple.
But temple being a place where many gather has certain expectations and mores. If one can publicly state they have not taken a shower for 4 days and walk into a temple I am not sure if people will look at the person entering with any kindness. But the person can get away doing anything.

I do not think period for women has to be associated with anything dirty. It is a natural function. A woman can hide and go to the temple. Or can choose to worship elsewhere due to respect for the norm.

When my family and I went to a close friend's Bar Mitzwah we wore Yamaka even without being asked. When we went to a Gurudwara to attend a wedding function we covered our head like all others without being told. We all took a shower before entering such places. When I attended mid-night mass at the request of a close friend in my college days and was offered the 'body of Christ' and 'blood of Jesus' by the priest I did not refuse saying I do not drink alcohol. I would have been excused but chose not to.

In the end it is a personal decision to get away from the norms of a given temple's code of conduct and feel righteous about it. To me it displays an immature mind.
 
Tksji,
A wonderful post, and I too follow those principle in my personal life. I do not suggest how others should behave in their personal life.
But society has a moral code that evolves over period of time. You, I and others contribute and change and modify it. Some want to maintain status quo, others are looking for appropriate change. The society evolves and adapts changes, some keep moaning about the lost good old days. To some change is scary, to some it is cultural, to others it is religious, some follow it blindly.

When indoor plumbing was introduced, it did not sit well with Vastu Sastra. So vastu experts had to device ways to incorporate it. Similarly when in west Temples started to be built, the stapatis were against providing for bathrooms in the Temple complex, as their was no provision for bathroom in Agama Shastra. So change is inevitable, you can not hold back clock.

A tree that is not supple and bend with wind will break. That is the nature of things.
In the name of culture and religion human beings persecute others, that should change. Just because I had to walk 5 miles to go to school, my child should not be forced to walk 5 miles. I can have her dropped in the school. It is matter of affordability, and convenience.

Similarly relieving in public, spitting, smoking are bad practices. They are enacting and enforcing laws. These things could have been changed by morality codes, it did not work. Next even if that does not work, harsh punishments like in Singapore may have to be employed.

So I agree that we should have our own personal mores, but we have to abide by mores of the society. In the temples we do not allow Shoes, and we enforce it. We have provided and expect people to wash their hands and feet, but WE DO NOT ENFORCE IT.

In the colder climate of North America some temples expect their priests to be bare chested, but others allow some form of coverings. Some priests were socks, others are forced to walk bare feet.

Those that stick to some "traditions" will be left behind.

There is temple in NY State, that enforced strict rules of who can go inside the alter. The priests refused to get a mop to clean the floor. It was filthy, and stinking. So somebody who framed the rules was following some "tradition" without thinking through. The traditionalist were adamant on their tradition, the priests were adamant about their duties, so a stalemate. Finally the devotees started to complain, and the revisionist won the battle. The traditionalist were voted out, and now they have hired some people to clean the temple including alter out of sight of the "Traditionalist".

May be I am talking to a wrong group.
It is like talking to ISIS or Taliban about women's head dress or Hindu Philosophy.
I should accept the reality.
 
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Dear Renu,

Ladies surely have some discomfort during 'those' days and hence are not allowed to go to temples or participate

in special poojas. Some people argue that human waste will be always in the body and hence what is wrong in visiting

temples with periods! But, the other wastes are inside the body where as the bleeding is not, during those days!

I hope you understand and will agree that the bleeding is after all impure.

Dear RR ji,

Bleeding is not impure in my opinion.

The level of discomfort felt too varies from female to female.

I am one of those lucky few who never even knows what a menstrual cramp is.
My energy levels are the same and no change.

In fact when I was a teenager I had won sports meet 1st place in high jump and 100 meters all during those times.

When I was young my parents never allowed me in the prayer room during those days but I did not bother.If I felt like praying I would walk in when they were not around.

I felt no one should come in between me and God and even I had been to temples,bhajans etc all during those times.

I never felt impure even when I was a 13 year old and made to believe that menses is impure.

I still remember my mother telling me that during menses the aura of a woman changes and its more Tamas and hence not conducive for prayers..I heard this when I was 13.

Did I believe her? Nope!

Reason: I asked her is God only in the prayer room? If women become impure becos of this that means God can never step into this world cos some woman or the other would be having her menses.

So you see not all kids believe what they are told by their parents!LOL

I always felt if God really had a problem with menses He would have never made woman have their monthly cycles.

The problem is men think they are pure from every aspect and imposed rules on women based on the need of the time when hygiene was low and a sanitary pad was unheard of.

Now times have changed..we cant be holding on to what is outdated just for tradition sake.

So frankly speaking I feel its left to the woman to decide..if she feels she is impure than she is impure..if she feels she is pure then she is pure.
 
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On more than one occasion I had entered the srirangam temple during my periods. none including the priest could sense that I am in my periods. (the cracks in the temple tower had developed long before I had my first periods, lest I be blamed). the idol of lord ranganatha is intact and is hardly impacted by my periods.

I had visited jeer of ahobila mutt several times when I had periods for his blessings. he could sense my period status neither.

I found nowhere written in any hindu scripture that women are forbidden entry into temples or from worshipping God during periods. hardly anyone knows the source of these rules.

Dear Kuvs,

Believe me humans know nothing!
They can't sense anything.

For all the so called people with 6th sense and Siddhic powers who walk around the world..till now no one can locate MH 370!

This is a real eye opener to the world..that we humans know absolutely nothing!

Animals are better than us..they can sense anything.

You know I have noted that frogs croak when it rains naturally but they never croak when the rain is produced by artificial means like cloud seeding.

Somehow they know everything!
 
Dear Kuvs,

Believe me humans know nothing!
They can't sense anything.

For all the so called people with 6th sense and Siddhic powers who walk around the world..till now no one can locate MH 370!

This is a real eye opener to the world..that we humans know absolutely nothing!

Animals are better than us..they can sense anything.

Dear Renuka,

In all humility let me say that I will try to use the powers that has helped me solve many serious problems, to this missing malaysian plane. Thanks for bringing in to the notice again.
 
Dear Renuka,

In all humility let me say that I will try to use the powers that has helped me solve many serious problems, to this missing malaysian plane. Thanks for bringing in to the notice again.

Dear Sravna,

I dont want to doubt anyone..I sincerely hope you have the needed "powers" to do so.

Thank you for your good intentions.

It hurts me so badly that no Guru ji or Swamiji is coming forward to help.

I am pretty sure all those on board are dead but at least if we know where they are they can be given a decent send off and let theirs souls rest in peace.
 
No Guru, Imamas, or popes are going to be any use. Religious leaders may provide, some solace but nothing more. Most of then can not tie their own shoes.
 
Dear Sravna,

I dont want to doubt anyone..I sincerely hope you have the needed "powers" to do so.

Thank you for your good intentions.

It hurts me so badly that no Guru ji or Swamiji is coming forward to help.

I am pretty sure all those on board are dead but at least if we know where they are they can be given a decent send off and let theirs souls rest in peace.
hi


body anityam...soul is nityam...so soul does not need peace....
 
hi


body anityam...soul is nityam...so soul does not need peace....

Agreed..then why people still do Sharddham for departed ancestors?

Since souls dont need peace they should not be needing Pinda and Water too isnt it?
 
Tksji,
A wonderful post, and I too follow those principle in my personal life. I do not suggest how others should behave in their personal life.
But society has a moral code that evolves over period of time. You, I and others contribute and change and modify it. Some want to maintain status quo, others are looking for appropriate change. The society evolves and adapts changes, some keep moaning about the lost good old days. To some change is scary, to some it is cultural, to others it is religious, some follow it blindly.

When indoor plumbing was introduced, it did not sit well with Vastu Sastra. So vastu experts had to device ways to incorporate it. Similarly when in west Temples started to be built, the stapatis were against providing for bathrooms in the Temple complex, as their was no provision for bathroom in Agama Shastra. So change is inevitable, you can not hold back clock.

A tree that is not supple and bend with wind will break. That is the nature of things.
In the name of culture and religion human beings persecute others, that should change. Just because I had to walk 5 miles to go to school, my child should not be forced to walk 5 miles. I can have her dropped in the school. It is matter of affordability, and convenience.

Similarly relieving in public, spitting, smoking are bad practices. They are enacting and enforcing laws. These things could have been changed by morality codes, it did not work. Next even if that does not work, harsh punishments like in Singapore may have to be employed.

So I agree that we should have our own personal mores, but we have to abide by mores of the society. In the temples we do not allow Shoes, and we enforce it. We have provided and expect people to wash their hands and feet, but WE DO NOT ENFORCE IT.

In the colder climate of North America some temples expect their priests to be bare chested, but others allow some form of coverings. Some priests were socks, others are forced to walk bare feet.

Those that stick to some "traditions" will be left behind.

There is temple in NY State, that enforced strict rules of who can go inside the alter. The priests refused to get a mop to clean the floor. It was filthy, and stinking. So somebody who framed the rules was following some "tradition" without thinking through. The traditionalist were adamant on their tradition, the priests were adamant about their duties, so a stalemate. Finally the devotees started to complain, and the revisionist won the battle. The traditionalist were voted out, and now they have hired some people to clean the temple including alter out of sight of the "Traditionalist".

May be I am talking to a wrong group.
It is like talking to ISIS or Taliban about women's head dress or Hindu Philosophy.
I should accept the reality.

I understand all the examples you have provided and they are very illustrative of your points.
The traditions of all religions under the umbrella of Hinduism have evolved over decades and certainly over centuries.

Change of any kind has to be initiated by those who have the most influence and then there has to be a public debate of some form. CP Ramaswami Iyer was a change agent. Though some may not agree I think PM Modi is a change agent.

For example building toilets for many in villages is now taken up by the GOI and by many volunteers. The change of attitude of villagers will follow over time without any pressure.

I think an individual needs to respect the current norm until the norm itself is evolved. If they break the norm in deception that is indicative of their low character.
 
... 1. Bleeding is not impure in my opinion.
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2. When I was young my parents never allowed me in the prayer room during those days but I did not bother.If I felt like praying I would walk in when they were not around.

3. I felt no one should come in between me and God and even I had been to temples,bhajans etc all during those times.

4. I never felt impure even when I was a 13 year old and made to believe that menses is impure.

5. ...........Reason: I asked her is God only in the prayer room? If women become impure becos of this that means God can never step into this world cos some woman or the other would be having her menses.

6. I always felt if God really had a problem with menses He would have never made woman have their monthly cycles.

7. The problem is men think they are pure from every aspect and imposed rules on women based on the need of the time when hygiene was low and a sanitary pad was unheard of.

8. So frankly speaking I feel its left to the woman to decide..if she feels she is impure than she is impure..if she feels she is pure then she is pure.
Dear Renu,

1. I keep forgetting that you are traditional! :becky:

2. It is very very easy to cheat our parents!

3. No one can come in between a person and God, as a matter of fact!

4. Oh! Again traditional thinking. :cool:

5. God is everywhere Renu! But humans follow some rules while going to the temple. You see... all mAmA go topless in a

a few temples in Kerala where as in Tamil Nadu, even jeans pants / shorts, T'shirts are allowed in many temples. I read an

interesting blog a few days back (in Tamil). One person asks, 'If God is everywhere, is he also in the pee and sh*t of humans?'

and a wise man gave this answer, 'pOgamal irundhu pArum!' And, I was reminded of a funny Tenali Raman story in which

the king asks him where heaven is!! :lol:

6. I guess God wanted women to be left peaceful at least for three or four days in a month and hence gave these cycles; but

we don't understand this! Have you seen any female animal toiling like us, women?? :ballchain:

7. :nono: Renu! They are NOT pure always! They also need to have a head bath before going to temple and after some activities!! :lol:
8. We need not give permission to other women! They will decide for themselves!! :decision:
 
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Dear RR ji,

My answers in black.


Dear Renu,

1. I keep forgetting that you are traditional! :becky:


Yes..I am traditional!LOL

2. It is very very easy to cheat our parents!

Yes you are right..when I was small I used to fake as if I am asleep on the sofa so that my father would carry me to my room.I liked being carried so I faked sleep!

Yes I used to cheat my parents like this..when they were not around or aware I would go to prayer room and when I was not having my menses and they wanted me to light the lamp..I would then lie I had my menses becos I felt why should I be made to feel pure one day and be impure another day..so let me lie and play a game.I never felt bad doing that and neither felt its of a low character cos one should do what one wants to do and be in control of his/her own life.

Yes I cheated and yes I lied but I dont feel bad but now when they are older they agreed with me finally that menses is not impure.Now my mother doesnt believe in all these..either they realized something or they gave up hope!LOL

Anyway I do not have remorse at all in anything I do.We cant change the past..no use regretting anything so I dont have any regrets.

3. No one can come in between a person and God, as a matter of fact!

Yes..agreed.

4. Oh! Again traditional thinking. :cool:

Yes yes.

5. God is everywhere Renu! But humans follow some rules while going to the temple. You see... all mAmA go topless in a

a few temples in Kerala where as in Tamil Nadu, even jeans pants / shorts, T'shirts are allowed in many temples. I read an

interesting blog a few days back (in Tamil). One person asks, 'If God is everywhere, is he also in the pee and sh*t of humans?'


Yes! God as in Universal Consciousness is in everything..otherwise why is Cow Dung and Cow Urine so sacred!

and a wise man gave this answer, 'pOgamal irundhu pArum!' And, I was reminded of a funny Tenali Raman story in which

the king asks him where heaven is!! :lol:

6. I guess God wanted women to be left peaceful at least for three or four days in a month and hence gave these cycles; but

we don't understand this! Have you seen any female animal toiling like us, women?? :ballchain:

God does not micromanage and BTW the Lioness works harder than all of us humans!

7. :nono: Renu! They are NOT pure always! They also need to have a head bath before going to temple and after some activities!! :lol:

I take head bath daily so my body is always pure..my mind its hard to say..whose mind is 100% pure anyway?
8. We need not give permission to other women! They will decide for themselves!!

True! Let WOMEN decide themselves..we do not need men to hold a debate to decide and come out with any Fatwa about this.

Its not men who bleed unless they are having hemorrhoids.
 
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Dear Renu,

Thanks for the quick replies! :)

Yes! No mind is pure and I wrote this in my reply to Prasad Sir.

If only 100% pure minds can visit temples, all the temples will be empty!

So...... let at least the body be pure without any wet sanitary pad! :lol:

BTW, bleeding of men is totally different!
 

So...... let at least the body be pure without any wet sanitary pad! :lol:

BTW, bleeding of men is totally different!




Dear RR ji,

There are new types of weaved pads called Super dry weave..its gives a dry feel..so no more wet worries.

BTW what about incontinent elder people who wear adult diapers..its soaked with urine too..should they be disallowed in temples? Even a normal sneeze can trigger urine let down in a person who has a weak pelvic floor and some wear pads to absorb the urine..should they stay away from temples too?

Why is bleeding of men totally different?

When I use my scalpel for minor surgery every human bleeds the same.

Its a perception and a false belief that has been drilled into our heads that a female is impure and a male is pure.

Its not all about male vs female here ..its about a person learning to respect her own body and its biological functions and same way a male should also know how to respect his own body and stop meddling about the body of a female in terms of purity.

No one elected a man to be in charge of women's bodily affairs.
 
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Dear Renu,

I don't wish to give any description but would like to say, in ''oru viral'' Krishna Rao's style, about the dryness:

irukkuuuuuum; AnA irukkAdhu! It only 'appears' dry with all the fluid intact inside!! :lol:
 
I think an individual needs to respect the current norm until the norm itself is evolved. If they break the norm in deception that is indicative of their low character.

Sheep are herded, Tigers walk alone. Trail blazers can not follow path, they make the path. Average person on the street does not know where the country is headed, It takes a leader to point out the direction. Rebelling against ignorance and stupidity is not "low Character", but the sign of a leader. I am not writing or asking people to break any norm in deception, but to rebel against bad and illogical customs.

If Raja Ram mohan Roy, Daya Nanda Saraswati, Vivekananda, Shankaracharya, and Mahatma Gandhi were "low character", I don't mind that company.
 
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Dear Renu,

I don't wish to give any description but would like to say, in ''oru viral'' Krishna Rao's style, about the dryness:

irukkuuuuuum; AnA irukkAdhu! It only 'appears' dry with all the fluid intact inside!! :lol:


Dear RR ji,

Urine is in the bladder,excreta in the colon,
Mucus in the sinuses and phlegm in the lungs,
When is the body fully and totally dry?
Show me one and I will show you ashes.
 
Sheep are herded, Tigers walk alone. Trail blazers can not follow path, they make the path. Average person on the street does not know where the country is headed, It takes a leader to point out the direction. Rebelling against ignorance and stupidity is not "low Character", but the sign of a leader. I am not writing or asking people to break any norm in deception, but to rebel against bad and illogical customs.

If Raja Ram mohan Roy, Daya Nanda Saraswati, Vivekananda, Shankaracharya, and Mahatma Gandhi were "low character", I don't mind that company.

Sri Prasad

How one rebels and bring about a change matters .. In our thinking any means do not justify the ends.

Using deception is cowardly and is not indicative of a leader. People you mentioned made changes did not do anything in deception. They convinced large number of people and broke the existing norms in public. Hence they are leaders.


PS: I did not say anything about you in any of my messages in this thread
 
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1. There is no response or confirmation of family members visiting temple during periods. I do not think any temple has a board instructing not to enter, like 'only hindus are allowed'. Many radical lionesses may be doing it, but keeping it to themselves.

2. There are temples which do allow women. For e.g. melamaruvathur adiparasakti temple:

"Amma has revolutionized the concept of spirituality by letting everybody irrespective of caste, creed, religion, language, nationality, social status, gender, education, etc., to enter the sanctum sanctorum and perform the daily rituals and prayers to the Mother AdhiParaSakthi. Women can enter the temple even during their menstrual cycle (which is prohibited in Hindu Temples) after taking bathe."

3. There is a temple in orissa wherein the goddess is menstruating. So no problem for devotees.

Sensible rule is to follow the rules and customs of the temple. That also means respecting the views of the devout and the temple administration.
 
Dear Kuvs,

Believe me humans know nothing!
They can't sense anything.

For all the so called people with 6th sense and Siddhic powers who walk around the world..till now no one can locate MH 370!

This is a real eye opener to the world..that we humans know absolutely nothing!

.....!

You are absolutely right!! Great minds think alike!!
 
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