Brahmin Girls Marrying (Attracted towards) NB Boys

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My point is that both father and mother practice the rituals/ samskaras
regularly on a daily basis so that the value system is inculcated in their children from their young age (5-6 years old) ,. No point in repenting that your college going child is not listening to you

 

[SuryaKasyapa]

My point is that both father and mother practice the rituals/ samskaras
regularly on a daily basis so that the value system is inculcated in their children from their young age (5-6 years old) ,. No point in repenting that your college going child is not listening to you

That is right ,agreed, If you expect something, be example for that.Fine... let this be a hint to the relevant targets..


greetings

 

[C RAVI]

Respected R.Venkataramani ji & Pannvalan ji,


I would like to ask some questions considering my self as a son to all the elderly members here. Please don't mistake me.

URUMMAI UDAN THANDHAI POLA PERIYAVAAL IDAM SILA KELVIGALUM, SILA SANDHEGANGALAI KETKA VIRUMBUGIREN...


1) So the event is going to be just a get together of Brahmin Families for free to get connected for a marriage proposal.

2) The gathering would only be a platform for one-to-one interactions between the parents / boys & girls?

3) The organizers would be keeping quite with the prevailing issues in our community and just keep watching how people are co-coordinating among themselves?

4) What's going to be the prime motive of the Event? When there are lots of matrimonial centers exclusively for Brahmins in Chennai city and people are registering and consulting (at a meager fee) with the management people to find a suitable match for their daughter and son, do you think the response level would be satisfactory? Will the old parents and or today's working boys & girls would feel like attending this event neglecting a Sunday holiday just because it is free of cost?

5) Should we keep discussing about all the Brahmin marriage issues only on the internet (where the attention of the society can not be expected in a wider perspective) and passing on the comments (in favor and against) just to PASS TIME and just as a passion of preparing a draft in English?

6) When we could feel that some of the old believes and customs can be compromised reasonably and logically with clear explanations and examples that can pave the way for a smoother and healthier growth of Brahmin community for ever, than why not to step in for a bold initiative as a need of the hour.?


In lieu of my own doubts exposed above, I would like to pass on some of my comments...

1) We are not organizing the event in a village where simple people are living with simple expectations without exaggeration and without having multiple options.

2) Chennai is a metropolitan city where even a Tamil Brahmin would be careful with the fellow Brahmin and almost no one makes any compromises with any one just because of being a Brahmin.

3) The event would not be unique, informative and thought provoking in its kind in order to protect the Brahmin society. And in most of the cases being just a matrimonial program FOR FREE, would not attract the interest of the people.

5) 95% girls and boys are reasonably educated and earning good salary. All have their own expectations of their life partner. In such a case why some of the beliefs (like avoiding same gothram marriage and many others) be a hindrance and limit the scope of selecting a suitable match from within the community?

5) In fact we should prepare on brief Doctrine on "BRAHMINS" and establish the possibilities of marriage between Iyer / Iyengars / Any sub sect / Same gothram and many other valid exceptions and provide a guidline to enable sustaining a Brahmin community for ever. This Doctrine would certainly be beneficial both for the parents and children. We can follow a basic disciplined / logical and reasonable principle that any Brahmin Girl marrying any Brahmin Boy should sincerely follow her husband's exclusive rites and rituals....By this standard principle no one would be offended and no one would take a back step to get into such a alliance.

These should be the basic philosophy of "Modern Brahmin Society"


I feel that Event should be very unique in its kind and should be effective to serve the purpose of bringing changes in our society that can help sustaining our Brahmin Community for many more generations to come.

Let us all join hands together, keeping our ego aside and work for constructive initiatives for the sole purpose of saving our parents and children from agony and the future of our Brahmin society.

SUGGESTIONS

A) For Canvassing -

1) PROPOGANDA SHOULD BE STARTED ATLEAST 2 MONTHS IN ADVANCE...

2) A PRESS CONFRENS CAN BE ORGANISED HIGHLIGHTING JUST THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE EVENT SO THAT THIS WOULD APEAR IN ALL THE LOCAL NEWPAPERS AS NEWS. MAKING IT APEAR IN TAMIL MAGEZINES WOULD BE AN ADDED ADVANTAGE.

3) AS WELL A LEAF LETTER CAN BE PASTED IN ALLMOST ALL THE TEMPLES (WITH DUE APPROVAL), HIGHLIGHTING THE CONCEPT OF THE EVENT. AS WELL TO BE DISTRIBUTED BY OUR MEMBERS TO ALL THE KNOWN BRAHMINS. THESE LEAF LETTERS CAN BE HANDED OVER TO THE MANAGEMENT OF BRAHMIN MATRIMONIAL CENTRES AS WELL WHERE BRAHMINS KEEP VISITING.

4) MEMBERS CAN CONTRIBUTE FINANCIALLY TO THE BEST OF THEIR CAPACITY TO COVER THE COST INCURED.


B) For the Event -

- 1 OR 2 LEADING ASTROLOGERS CAN BE INVITED TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE ABOUT SOME OF THE EXCEPTIONS OF MISMATCHING PLANETARY CONFIGURATION BETWEEN THE HOROSCOPES. AS WELL TO PUT AN END TO SOME OF THE RIDICULOUS ASTROLOGICAL BELIEVES.

- 2 OR 3 OF OUR SENIOR MEMBERS CAN SPEAK CONSTRUCTIVELY ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT OUR SOCIETY IS FACING FOR SO MANY YEARS WHICH IN NO WAY COULD HELP PREVENT INTERCAST MARRIAGES, DELAYED MARRIAGES (DELAYED MARRIAGES ARE IN MANY WAYS SPOILING THE EXPECTATIONS OF COUPLES. IT LEADS TO IMPOTENCY, DIFFICULTY OR NO SCOPE OF GIVING BIRTH TO A CHILD AND MANY SOCIAL & PERSONAL COMPLICATIONS AND EMBARRASSMENTS) AND BOYS AND GIRLS REMAINING UNMARRIED THROUGH OUT THEIR LIFE.

- SOME OF OUR BRAHMIN ASTROLOGERS SHOULD BE REQUESTED TO CONTRIBUTE FOR THE CAUSE BY WAY OF FREELY MATCHING THE HOROCOPES OF BOY AND GIRLS (OFFCOURSE FOR THOSE WHO WANTS TO MATCH THE HOROSCOPE). THE HOROSCOPES UNDER CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE ONLY OF THE BOYS & GIRS ATTENDING THE EVENT

- PLEASE ALLOW BOTH MOTHER & FATHER OF A PROSPECTIVE BOY OR GIRL WHO COULD NOT ATTEND THE EVENT.

- WE CAN SAY THAT ANY NO. OF ELIGIBLE SINGLE FROM A FAMILY CAN PARTICIPATE (NEED NOT TO WORRY ABOUT POSSIBILITIES OF MORE THAN 3 SINGLES FROM TODAYS'S FAMILY) ACCOMPANIED BY ONE OF THE PARENTS/RELATIVES


The pamphlets making the announcement need to be very attractive and thought provoking..

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Should include the highlight of the event -

* SPEECH ON MARRIAGE ISSUES
* SPEECH BY AN STROLOGER ON HOROSCOPE MATCHING
* PERSONAL INTERACTIONS AMONG THE PARTICIPANTS LOOKING FOR ALLIANCE
* FREE HOROSCOPE MATCHING [AMONG PARTICIPATING INDIVIDUALS]

** REGISTER YOURSELF FOR FREE PARTICIPATION BY AN EMAIL TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ID- < >; < >

IN THE FORMAT -

PARENT / RELATIVE NAME & AGE -
NO. OF BOYS / NAME / AGE -
NO. OF GIRLS / NAME / AGE -

OR CALL AND REGISTER - PH.

REGISTRATION CLOSING DATE -

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We can reply confirmation of their registration through email, along with Registration number / File Number

The above are the points that I can think and express right now. A detailed program need to be worked out and implemented

Hope to witness a well defined and a well organized program benefiting today's Brahmins...


Cheers..

RAVI

 

[RVR]

Namassadhasae.

Sarvashree Pannvalan ji & RV ji,

If a swayamvaram of the kind proposed is planned (ofcourse after a preliminary meeting, as suggested by Shri RVji), there are tabloids for givng publicity of the event, absolutely free of cost, e.g. if the venue is Sringeri Mutt in Mandaveli, the news item will be published by Mylapore Times, free of cost. Just sending the details by email and a little follow-up, if required, will do. If it is Ayodhya Mandapam, Mambalam Times can be made use of. In both cases, if required and decided so, even I am ready to take up this assignment. We will definitely get support from local tabloid (the venue comes under the jurisdiction of which tabloid is their look out). Rest depends on the outcome of the proposed meeting pls. I can also try to get support from popular media also , free of cost.
Being a person based at Chennai, I am also available to lend my support pls.

'அவரவர் இச்சையில் எவை எவை உற்றவை அவை தருவித்தருள் பெருமாளே! - திருவக்கரை திருப்புகழ் '

Thanks Sri G Soundararajan ji,

Your message gives me lot of strength. We will all join together and try to do something good for our youngsters.

Let us keep in touch with each other regularly.

All the best

 

[pannvalan]

Dear Ravi,

Please do not mix the issues here. The proposed event is to enable the unmarried and eligible persons (boy/girl), to find an alliance.

It is not for introducing reforms in the society.

The beginning itself should not turn into a fiasco, if there is big bang. So, this event also should not become another "aathuma, sareera sugamalikkum arputha kootam".

Facilitators will not be passive onlookers and they will play an active role, within their limitations.

Inviting only the parents, is not a viable solution. Physical presence of both the boy and the girl is essential.

Since some token entry fee may be collected, so as to cover the expenses involved,
participants will have some stake and will not leave the venue midway or disturb the proceedings and cause inconvenience to others.

 

[RVR]

Dear Sri C Ravi,

Thanks for your views.

The purpose of the proposed `Swayamvaram' is to bring families together. What we are attempting is a small step in a long journey.

If we bring all the progressive ideas right in the front, I am afraid, we may not take off.
Personally I may have progressive ideas but I cannot bring them to the proposed event. Let us organise the event first and get the feedback from participants.

Even though TB is treated as one community, there is a vast differences of opinion on every aspect. Let us not work on differences but work on convergent ideas first.

The progressive ideas have to come from our traditional Gurus Kanchi/Sringeri Acharyas, Srimad Andavan/Jeers, Madhava mutt acharyas. Even great Paramacharya's wishes are not yet full filled till date. He spoke against wearing silk, but still nobody wants to give it up.

Personally I would like to avoid as much controversies as possible and move forward without suggesting dilution of our traditions, culture and values.

Let us make the event successful and beneficial to atleast few members of our community.

All the best

 

[C RAVI]

Shri Pannvalan ji & Shri R.Venkataramani ji,

Absolutely true....

Progressive imaginations can never be immediately implimented. It's true that re-formations and revamping the systems are all not a simple thing.

As you said a simple swayamwaram would be ideal enough to start with.


Cheers..

RAVI

 

[pannvalan]

Dear Admins, Moderators and Members,

I am of the view this thread has outlived its purpose or at least requires a break.
As far as I am concerned, I shall exit this thread and will rejoin in some other thread.

I am personally against mega serials and 'Kanni Theevu' of Dhina Thanthi.

What do you say?

 

[C RAVI]

Shri Pannvalan ji...

You are absolutely ture....This thread has outlived the purpose.

All the issues pertaining to the subject matter has been well discussed among us.

I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD NOT QUIT YOURSELF FROM YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROPOSED SWAYAMWARAM.....

Cheers...

RAVI

 

[C RAVI]

Shri Swaminatha Sharma ji,


A very good news by the day end....

Organizing this SWAYAMWARAM event within a short span of time is really great. Hats off to Sri R.Venkararamani ji, Sri Pannvalan ji and every member who all have collectively taken a proactive decision and concluded to carry out this wonderful event in a short time.

For all the single boys and girls ought here in our community, the elderly members of this site/organization are like parents who all are contributing some or the other ways to benefit the society.

I would like to request the facilitators to indicate clearly the decided policy for carrying out this event..

Like -

- THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR THE PARTICIPANTS

- ANY RESTRICTION ON NO. OF SINGLES PARTICIPATING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY

- ANY RESTICTION THAT ONLY THE CONCIRNED SINGLE BOY/GIRL SHOULD ATTEND THE EVENT AND PARENTS CAN NOT REPRESENT ON BEHALF OF THIER SINGLE SON/DAUGHTER ALONG WITH TEHIR DETAILS, HOROSCOPE AND PHOTO GRAPH.

[I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE FACILITATORS TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE PARENTS TO REPRESENT THEIR SINGLE SON / DAUGHTER WHO ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO ATTEND THE EVENT. WE CAN MAKE THIS AS AN EXCEPTIONAL ONE. THAT IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHOSE SON/DAUGHTER ARE WORKING OUTSIDE CHENNAI/OUTSIDE INDIA.]

- ANY OTHER PRE-DETEMINDE GUIDLINES THAT NEED TO BE STRICTLY FOLLOWED

AS WELL -

- ANY CONTIBUTION REQUIRED FROM THE MEMBERS OF THIS SITE

Hope to receive the above instructions at the earliest...

I once again thank all the members who all are hole heartedly contributing to this event for the sake of our community...

Cheers...

RAVI

 

[sadasivam.sridharan]

Glad to know that such a well thought out initiative is taken for the benefit of the boys ,girls for marriage and their eager parents.Congratulations!
S.Sridharan

 

[vikrama]

swayamvaram

Dear All,
I attended several swayamvarams in Chennai for the past 6 years. Here are my experiences.
The delay in marriage is not due to lack of information of eligible boys and girls, but due to our high aspirations. There is no dearth of information nowadays, with all kinds of media contributing to it.There are hundreds of matrimonial service centres. Some work for money, others really free service. Swayamvaram also does the same thing- facilitates exchange of information.

It brings together only people's bodies but not the minds. In the course of swayamvaram, we contact a few people, exchange information and there ends the matter. No further progress. When we press for a reply, the same mumbling which we are accustomed to, when contacted through the matrimonial centres.

Not that I am discouraging your proposed swayamvaram. It atleast will focus our attention on the burning problem of our community.

In the swayamvarams I attended, certain shortcomings were noticed (It was utter chaos) and I suggested certain measures to the organisers. I would like to repeat them here for the consideration of the people concerned.
1 enrol either boys or girls only for the swayamvara. (preferably boys)
2 ask the people to register by phone.
3 finish enrolling by the previous day evening strictly.
4 prepare a chart of the registered people.
5 on the day of swayamvara, seat the boys' party and the girls' party facing each other.
6 the registered people should be assigned seats where their register nos. are prominently displayed.
7 read out the registered particulars slowly and clearly giving sufficient time for the other party to note down.
8 allow the parties to interact only after all the names have been read out.
9 the chart can be xeroxed and sold for a nominal cost for the benefit of late-comers and those who wish to contact later.
10 start the function punctually.

 

[RVR]

Dear All,
I attended several swayamvarams in Chennai for the past 6 years. Here are my experiences.
The delay in marriage is not due to lack of information of eligible boys and girls, but due to our high aspirations. There is no dearth of information nowadays, with all kinds of media contributing to it.There are hundreds of matrimonial service centres. Some work for money, others really free service. Swayamvaram also does the same thing- facilitates exchange of information.

It brings together only people's bodies but not the minds. In the course of swayamvaram, we contact a few people, exchange information and there ends the matter. No further progress. When we press for a reply, the same mumbling which we are accustomed to, when contacted through the matrimonial centres.

Not that I am discouraging your proposed swayamvaram. It atleast will focus our attention on the burning problem of our community.

In the swayamvarams I attended, certain shortcomings were noticed (It was utter chaos) and I suggested certain measures to the organisers. I would like to repeat them here for the consideration of the people concerned.
1 enrol either boys or girls only for the swayamvara. (preferably boys)
2 ask the people to register by phone.
3 finish enrolling by the previous day evening strictly.
4 prepare a chart of the registered people.
5 on the day of swayamvara, seat the boys' party and the girls' party facing each other.
6 the registered people should be assigned seats where their register nos. are prominently displayed.
7 read out the registered particulars slowly and clearly giving sufficient time for the other party to note down.
8 allow the parties to interact only after all the names have been read out.
9 the chart can be xeroxed and sold for a nominal cost for the benefit of late-comers and those who wish to contact later.
10 start the function punctually.

Sri Vikrama ji,

Thanks for your valuable information. We shall keep your suggestions in mind and will try to implement it to the best possible extent.

Sri Swaminatha Sharma has conducted more than fifteen swayamvarams so far and his success rate seems to be much higher.

Since you are in Chennai, I request you to join the effort. It will be only on a Sunday and if you join us, it will be very helpful. We expect a positive response from you.

All the best

 

[C RAVI]

Shri Vikarama ji,

Your comments on the present days Swayamwarams are 100% true. Not a single person can give a reversal to your statements about this. Because this is what is happening today...

Sri R.Venkatamani ji & Shri Pannvalan ji, in my previous post (in page no.41), I have equally expressed my opinion about the existence of plenty of Matrimonial centers, and other swayamvaram events where the purpose is hardly served. Without doubt due to over expectaions of todays girls, horoscope mismatching, saga-gothram denial and many more.

This is what bothering me a lot if we expect something constructively and positively out of this proposed swayamwaram.

Sri Vikrama ji,

I would like to pin point some more filtrations in conjunction with that of yours. Though your suggestions are perfectly Ok, I feel still the accuracy of the show can not be achieved...

My points are highlighted in Green.

1) As you said a group of boys would be seated on one side and a group of girls would be seated on other side face to face. Registered particular would be read out one by one and than the interactions between the girls and boys would begin...

- Will those interactions would be one-to one?

- A single girl may find some of the boys suitable for her based on her expectations that includes boy's looks, education, profession, career success, earnings etc..etc...Likewise a boy liking a girl based on this expectations.

- Once a girl opt to interact with boys one by one in a detailed manner she may come up with her refined selections...may be considering 1 or multiple options.

- What will be the case if that particularly selected boys found to be unsuitable based on our following tradition
* HOROSCOPE NOT MATCHING COMPLETELY
* HOROSCOPE MATCHES, BUT LACKS CHEVVAI DOSHAM COMPATIBILITY, KALATHTHRA DOSHAM COMPATIBILITY, DASA SANDI COMPATIBILITY...ETC...ETC..

- WILL THESE BOYS AND GIRLS WOULD GO FOR HOROSCOPE MATCHING (IF INSTRUCTED UPON BY THEIR PARENTS) WITH THE HELP OF OUR PARTICIPATING ASTROLOGER(S)?

- IF AT ALL A GIRL OR BOY FINDS HIS/HER SELECTED PARTNERS NOT QUALIFYING ON ASTROLOGICAL ASPECTS, THAN WON'T THEY BE DISAPPOINTED?

- IN CASE OF HOROSCOPE MISMATCH CAN THESE BOYS & GIRLS COMPROMISE WITH THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND FIND ANOTHER ONE WHOS HORSCOPE IS MATCHING TO HAVE PERSONAL INTERACTIONS?

- WOULDN'T IT BE AN EMBARASSING SITUATION FOR THESE BOYS AND GIRLS. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE FEEL OF PRIDE AND SELF RESPECTS DOMINATES OUR PSYCHOLOGY.

Thus I feel we need to carry out the following process BEFORE THE DAY OF EVENT to keep a healthy environment without any embarrassments and make it a very successful event.

- THE REGISTRATION PROCESS SHOULD BE DIFFERENT IN SUCH A CASE
* WE NEED TO ASK ELIGIBLE BOYS AND GIRLS TO SUBMIT THEIR HORSCOPE ALONE CLEARLY INDICATING THEIR - GOTHRAM [AS SAGA-GOTHRAM MATCH NEED TO BE REJECTED. [EXPECTATIONS/PREFERENCES NEED NOT BE INDICATED]
* THEY CAN EITHER SUBMIT THE HORSCOPE IN PERSON TO A DESIGNATED OFFICE OR THROUGH AN EMAIL ATTACHMENT.
* THE PANEL OF MEMBERS CAN THAN FORM A GROUP OF BOYS AND GIRLS BASED ON THE HORSOCOPE MATCHING (INCLUDE AT LEAST MATCHING 50% "MADHYAMAM PORUTHAM")

FOR EXAMPLE
: BOYS ARE CONSIDERED AS - A, B , C , D , E, F,
: GIRLS ARE CONSIDERED AS - 1, 2 ,3 4, 5, 6
: MATCHING PAIR WOULD BE : A-1,3,5; B-2,4,6; C-1,3,6; D-2,4,5; E - 2,2,5; E-3,3,3

- BASED ON THE ABOVE GROUPING THE BOYS AND GIRLS CAN BE INTRODUCED BY THE ORGANISERS AND ACCORDINGLY INTERACTION CAN BEGIN.

The above are my ideas to make the event much better.

Cheers..

RAVI

 

[pbkhema]

I have been expressing my views in some other groups also.
Girls are getting educated.They are thinking independantly.
They know what they want.A typical case of new found independance
They want some one who is acording to their mind compatible in ideas.
They do not look further of the consequences.
The boys are a little more accomodative of their parents views.
Probably Swayamvaram may be a solution.But once swayamvaram is there then the parents come into the picture and they will start matching horoscopes etv
I may be called un modern or a reactionery but if you want to stop girls getting married out of the community then get them married early.
But is it wise to propund early marriage just to prevent the girls frommarrying outside the community
In the sutra times there were lots of inter varna marraiges

 

[SuryaKasyapa]

Why can't boys also put up hard efforts and succeed/ How many days we will be going on lamenting? What is the remedial action? Why can't a succesful daughter be (and made to be) an asset to the parent family(also)?

Let us not try to find a non-existing dark cat in a dark room searching with our eyes blindfolded.


greetings

 

[Staunch_Iyengar]

Dear All,
These days I am seeing a huge change in the trend in which the Brahmin girls used to think and act. They are much interested towards NB boys and they want to marry them irrespective of any problems that occur from their parents side.

Last week I was shocked as I get the news from my wife that my sister in law is going to marry a NB boy. She has fought with her parents and shouted them saying that I wont come and stand in front of you after this. Poor parents without any way to go they agreed and the Boys family has never rised any red flag on this and they are happy to accept the Brahmin girl and Brahmins as their sambhandi. I was shocked to hear this as she is jus finishing the college and I dont know how much courage these days people get. Her parents have given them a BE degree and with in a matter of second she ditched all of them.

Poor father he is very orthodox and his roots are from Chidambaram who has seen 6 kala poojais of Lord Nataraja. He was pained to death and he was speechless while telling this info to me as his mootha mappilai.

This girl is asking questions like this to his father
You are seeing horoscope and doing my kalyanam in big range. Whats the probability that I wont come weeping again to you so better do in this way which I like

I was shocked by this. I was not against love but this is too much going and doing a intercaste marriage is not a crime but its against our mythological things which is having roots from 1000 and 100 of years in india.

This way our Brahmin community will get lost its identity as the offsprings of them will have the tag of Dravidians.

*lol* How see through was that?

Anyways to answer your question...

Most Tamil Brahmins are descended from Brahmin males and native females. So the mtdna/female dna was not our own to begin with.

• the lower social classes of Brahmins, are temple priests or Brahmins who depend their livelihood doing certain rituals in service to the public. These Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, known as Pusaris, are descendants of earliest Brahmins in Tamil Nadu. They descend from Brahmin males from the North West who took local aboriginal women as wives.

• due to caste heirarchy, there is a trend for "upwardly mobile females". Wherein intermixture among caste was frequently between Brahmin males and females whose fathers were non-Brahmins(usually those from the pariah castes)

Overall most Tamil Brahmins, even those from the upper social classes are maternally mostly non-Brahmin. Even I turned out to be M mtdna when I did my dna test, so somewhere down the line my forefathers shagged a non-Brahmin woman.

So the prevailing female dna is M mtdna = non-Brahmin in origin.

They became "Brahmanized" through intermarriage with Brahmin men.

Women choose the race of themselves and their offsprings by whom they mate with.

This M mtdna did not belong originally to our ForeFathers, to begin with!

So the female whose father is a Brahmin, but chooses to marry a non-Brahmin, is simply going back to her long lost ydna/male lineage. Simple as that.

Normally in a healthy society, people will mate with those of their own race.

Girl is raised in a family > Daddy loves his girl > treats her like his little princess and showers her with love > Daddy's little girl will choose a mate that resembles her Daddy the most ~ genetically related people are more likely to have the same behaviour

Most race mixers come from broken families with alot of problems, no communication between parents and little attention paid to their child.

Girl is raised in a family > Daddy treats his girl like sh*t > unsatisfied childhood > Girl grows up and chooses to flush her wasted life down the drain by mating with a male from another race so as to spite Daddy

Another thing, unlike Muslim/Arab societies where women are clearly oppressed. Brahmin society, although clearly places more importance to males, is flexible and quite free of female oppression. Many Muslim girls are marrying non-Muslim guys because they want to be able to control their mate which they cannot get from their own Muslim/Arab males.

So I doubt gender bias is a factor at play here.

Although is definitely a certain level of freedom among females in the Brahmin community. There is a certain pressure among Brahmins to display themselves as the ideal and exemplary people to the rest of the world. Maybe they want to get out of this by marrying a non-Brahmin instead.

Whatever the reason may be, its good to allow a female whose father is a Brahmin to mate a non-Brahmin male as she pleases. Because if she cannot handle a Brahmin male she chooses to eliminate herself from our genepool by selecting a non-Brahmin male instead. Good, we need quality not quantity,

As a Brahmin male, its your job to watch your daughter or sister closely. If you know she is intimate with a non-Brahmin. Just disown her from our community. Simple as that.

This method has worked fine throughout our existence as a people. A female should know her place and loyalty towards her tribe.

Race mixing is recent phenomenon outside India in modern times due to globalism. But in India, Brahmins have been living side-by-side with other races for millennia. Its by this method we have filtered unwanted mtdna from our tribe.

Our community has been a fraternity, an identity based upon Fatherhood. What matters to us, is our ydna and not our mtdna.

We base our existence by emerging as the most mentally strongest ydna by subjugating everyone else. It never mattered to us, whether our daughters married out or not. We owned the mtdna we wanted at our own disposal.

Brahmins will never cease to exist because an offspring is a Brahmin only because of its father.

You don't want your child to be a Brahmin? Sure no problem, always feel free to terminate yourself from our community.

 

[happyhindu]

Wow, what an interesting post...looks like you must be very pure 'genetically'. Me having a few doubts...

Most Tamil Brahmins are descended from Brahmin males and native females. So the mtdna/female dna was not our own to begin with.

So which mtdna belongs to 'brahmins' ?

the lower social classes of Brahmins, are temple priests or Brahmins who depend their livelihood doing certain rituals in service to the public. These Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, known as Pusaris, are descendants of earliest Brahmins in Tamil Nadu. They descend from Brahmin males from the North West who took local aboriginal women as wives.

Who were the 'upper social class' of brahmins sir? What jobs were they doing?

and if you may please explain - how do you know the "pusaris' were from the north-west with "local aboriginal" wives?

Overall most Tamil Brahmins, even those from the upper social classes are maternally mostly non-Brahmin. Even I turned out to be M mtdna when I did my dna test, so somewhere down the line my forefathers shagged a non-Brahmin woman.

So the prevailing female dna is M mtdna = non-Brahmin in origin.

M is either asian or african. On what basis has it been decided that it is "non-brahmin" ?

As a Brahmin male, its your job to watch your daughter or sister closely. If you know she is intimate with a non-Brahmin. Just disown her from our community. Simple as that.

This method has worked fine throughout our existence as a people. A female should know her place and loyalty towards her tribe.

Disown from 'community'? If your forefather married or shagged "local aboriginal women", were they disowning them later then?

Women choose the race of themselves and their offsprings by whom they mate with.

So women chose a 'race'...interesting indeed...if you may please explain this, it wud be nice.

This M mtdna did not belong originally to our ForeFathers, to begin with!

And which mtDNA belongs to your forefathers (or mothers of your forefathers) sir?

So the female whose father is a Brahmin, but chooses to marry a non-Brahmin, is simply going back to her long lost ydna/male lineage. Simple as that.

:loco: How simple indeed. How does a female marrying a "non-brahmin" go back to her ydna?

Normally in a healthy society, people will mate with those of their own race.

Really? How is that "healthy" sir ?

Most race mixers come from broken families with alot of problems, no communication between parents and little attention paid to their child.

So wud you say that anyone marrying outside their so-called 'race' is from a broken family with a lot of problems?

Race mixing is recent phenomenon outside India in modern times due to globalism. But in India, Brahmins have been living side-by-side with other races for millennia. Its by this method we have filtered unwanted mtdna from our tribe.

Cud you please explain further -- how have you filtered unwanted mtDNA from your "tribe" ?

Our community has been a fraternity, an identity based upon Fatherhood. What matters to us, is our ydna and not our mtdna.

And what is 'brahmin' yDNA sir?

We base our existence by emerging as the most mentally strongest ydna by subjugating everyone else. It never mattered to us, whether our daughters married out or not. We owned the mtdna we wanted at our own disposal.

you "owned" the mtDNA - wow, cool. On a lighter side, perhaps you were a signaling molecule triggering off certain things then....And which is the mentally strongest yDNA that subjugates everyone else?

Brahmins will never cease to exist because an offspring is a Brahmin only because of its father.

And who were the fathers of brahmins sir?

 

[Mythreye]

I really appreciate Mr. Happyhindu's reply. You want to disown a daughter of she falls in love with other caste person, what will you do if your son does that? Give him a round of applause?
I believe it is individual's interests and they themselves should be aware of what they do. Youngsters of these days are old enough to choose what is right for themselves, rather than someone trying to impose such hypocritical ideas!

 

[veekay]

Staunch Iyengar's idea of MTDNA and YDNA stuff is the same kind of crap that the British tried to achieve by dividing Indians using the Aryan Invasion Theory.
The British have always stereotyped anything White (or nearly white) is Intelligent/Good/Smart etc and anything that is black is Idiotic/Bad and /Dull.
It is very sad that many Brahmins have such a notion. I have always come across statements like - people from North came as Brahmins only and later mixed / taught Vedas etc to people of South. My question is why could not have it been the other way round? If you take and see the history for yourself, It is the contribution of southern philosophers that has been extensive and one can say with a little intuition that Brahminism originated in the South. eg. even Chanakya's ancestor was supposed to have been from the Southern India.
Bottom-line :: do not come to any conclusion/ (for that matter even start) based on the Color of skin.

 

[venkatpasupathy]

Happyhindu's post is a good response. But I tend to agree with Mr. Veekay. Venkat

 

[Ramansrini]

My reply to the original post:

We have so many inter caste marriages in our scriptures. We must know that many of our national heroes were the children of inter-caste marriage. Very popular one in Mahabharata was Vidura. Popular example of our day is Rajiv Gandhi.

We are open to western science and technology. Our swamijis use cell phones and breach on TV. Hasn’t technology changed our culture? We are open to western education for our children, few teach their children the Veda. We are open to western jobs, dollars, pounds, and dinners. Agnihotram is only for marriage, and a few other occasions.

We feel somehow, that our culture is not preserved in ithihasas, Vedas, and puranas, but in our 4000 layered caste system. As per our script, the purpose of life is to attain Moksha(liberation), but we hold strongly our roots(kulam gothram), rather holding good way of life. We also do highest sin of getting dowry during marriage.

In the Anusasana parva, Mahabharata, Bhishma tells Yudhistra the following quotes.
Yama as the authority of matter ‘ That man who acquires wealth by selling his own son, or who bestows his daughter after accepting a dower for his own livelihood, has to sink in seven terrible hells one after another, known by the name of Kalasutra’

I know a Tamil Brahmin who married an American lady. That American lady is very religious and she does all puja/punaskaram more than a Brahmin lady. I don’t believe in caste, but I believe in way of life.

 

[S.Sankaranarayanan]

A few members have approved the inter-caste marriages. But, Sir, it is not correct. In Bhagavatgita, Arjuna laments that he had been forced to wage a war, the results of which would be far-reacahing and damaging. One such damage, he says, is 'varna sankara'. And this would lead to chaos in the society; entire dharma would be uprooted. So he admonished that the 'varnasankara' -ie. inter-caste marriages- would ruin the very fabric of our dharma. so it should be rejected outright. But alas! now the overall thought is against normal marriage, encouraged they are by government. Main reason for this is that expecting rational justifications for notional thoughts, which are to be believed and followed as handed down by tradition. Pray Lord Meenakshisundareswara that they alone should put a stop to this dangerous trend.

 

[Raghy]

Sri.Sankara Narayanan said :-

"A few members have approved the inter-caste marriages. But, Sir, it is not correct. In Bhagavatgita, Arjuna laments that he had been forced to wage a war, the results of which would be far-reacahing and damaging. One such damage, he says, is 'varna sankara'. And this would lead to chaos in the society; entire dharma would be uprooted. So he admonished that the 'varnasankara' -ie. inter-caste marriages- would ruin the very fabric of our dharma."

Respected Sir, I am one of the few members who would approve inter-caste marriage if it was opted by my children.
Sir, you have quoted Srimad Baghavad Gita (BG) verses from 39 to 44 in chapter 1. That's where Arjuna lamented. But Sir, you had not quoted Sri.Krishna's reply though. After listening to Sri.Arjuna, Sri.Krishna said with surprise ..

Sri-bhagavan uvaca -
kutas tva kasmalam idam visame samupasthitam
amarya justvam asvargyam akirti-karam arjuna - BG 2:02.

Sri Krishna said - My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the value of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy (Translation by Srila A.C. Bakthivedanta Swamy Prabhupada , from Bhagavad Gita 'As it is).

Cheers!

 

[nachi naga]

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Sri.Sankara Narayanan said :-

"A few members have approved the inter-caste marriages. But, Sir, it is not correct. In Bhagavatgita, Arjuna laments that he had been forced to wage a war, the results of which would be far-reacahing and damaging. One such damage, he says, is 'varna sankara'. And this would lead to chaos in the society; entire dharma would be uprooted. So he admonished that the 'varnasankara' -ie. inter-caste marriages- would ruin the very fabric of our dharma."

Respected Sir, I am one of the few members who would approve inter-caste marriage if it was opted by my children.
Sir, you have quoted Srimad Baghavad Gita (BG) verses from 39 to 44 in chapter 1. That's where Arjuna lamented. But Sir, you had not quoted Sri.Krishna's reply though. After listening to Sri.Arjuna, Sri.Krishna said with surprise ..

Sri-bhagavan uvaca -
kutas tva kasmalam idam visame samupasthitam
amarya justvam asvargyam akirti-karam arjuna - BG 2:02.

Sri Krishna said - My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the value of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy (Translation by Srila A.C. Bakthivedanta Swamy Prabhupada , from Bhagavad Gita 'As it is).

Cheers!

Raghy,

Well quoted with absolute brilliance.Surrender to Lord Krishna,and he will take care of you and your needs.One of the best scriptures is our Bhagavath Gita during Kali Yugam.

nachi naga.