Comparing intercaste marriages (TB vs Other Brahmins)

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I'm a long timer lurker and never posted here.I'm from a karnataka brahmin family and I've few of TB friends. One thing I've observed is Intercaste marriages among TB is very high compared to other brahmins.For example in karnataka there are 4 major brahmin communities.I've seen personally that we can put maximum percentage of intercaste marriages are between 10 to 15%.

Girls do marry out more often than men , but still their percentage is quite low(Women perhaps marry out 15% , Men perhaps marry out 10%). In my family or extended family there isn't a single intercaste marriage.But I do know few women and men in my community who had inter caste marriages.In fact compared to 2000s and 2010s , percentage of intercaste marriages is becoming stable or lower.I've attended at least 40 marriages in 2024.Out of them 39 were from within a caste.Other one is married to lingayat community who are fellow vegetarians and have similar culture.

But things are starkly different among TB friends , where too many men and women married out. In fact among TB friends there are very few children born of both TB houses.In US I've seen too many TB women married whites, blacks, chinese , hell lot of them are atheists/agnostics or nonreligious.I was really surprised how many of them are ultra progressive and woke left.

Whenever family functions happen in my family , we are glad to meet people , who speak the same language , have the similar customs, similar thinking .But I've seen among TBs too many different types of people meet in their family functions and uniqueness is pretty much lost.

I've seen similar tendencies among Telugu Brahmins, where inter caste marriages are pretty less.When I visited north indian states ,I've observed that brahmin intercaste marriages are still within 10 to 15% threshold.

My question is why only the TB community is affected so badly ? Why not other brahmins? Basically brainwashing by dravidian parties has an effect in destroying the TB community?

I feel that in the future , when dravidianism dies , one has to import brahmins from north india just like it has been done multiple times before.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sir,'

I do not know what to say. So sad about the plight of TB community.

 

[a-TB]

Cultural and ego clashes in a marriage are far worse. Human men marrying human women is fine. Caste purely based on birth has no basis other than in human ego

But within a grouping there are cultural norms that can clash. For that reason it is better to marry within similar culture which may be found within same caste but there are no assurances . But character is more important than cultural and hence caste background.

The movie culture has created attractive members of other castes. TB boys in orthodox families tend to grow spineless. Women including TB women don’t find that attractive. TB fellows rarely tend to breakout of this mold being forced to life of celebacy.

TB household tend to be most confused compared to other groups. There are many reasons. It is a different topic area.

TB homes if Rajasic flee Tamil Nadu. Or they are Tamasic pontifying on topics of Vedanta without trying to properly learn. All these are weaknesses. Hence the community is steeped in Superstitions. Nature ensures such communities perish.

It is all God’s will. The trend cannot be stopped. But dharma will survive one way or the other.

If the trend has to be stopped then begin to live like a Brahmin as defined in Gita.

I hesitate to use the word spiritual because it is the most distorted word in this forum and is synonymous with ignorance. Rather I would say find time to study Gita and Upanishad with Shraddha. Enquire and don’t be a follower of superstitions. Be accepting of all. Then like minded people will want association in weddings. That will be a turning point for TB communities

 

[sravna]

On a more analytical note, I would say the relentless onslaught by some dravidian groups on the brahmin community did have a significant impact on the minds of the younger generations. The noise created by the dravidian groups was so loud that propaganda won and the guilt of wrongdoing was created. Also negative stereotypes about the brahmins were continuously projected that created a bad impression on the minds of brahmin youth.

Personally I feel TB community is one of the most open minded and gifted but ironically those qualities made the community to go astray.

 

[sravna]

Take it from me folks. Though I do not want to paint all Indian Americans with the same brush generally their first allegiance and naturally I would say, is to USA. But among them there are some who in the guise of showing interest and concern for Indians and the TB community do not heart of hearts have that concern especially on a matter that may hurt America.

They talk about Gita, Shraddha etc etc and worried about the very little knowledge that others at this forum have. I value them only for the different though prejudiced perspective and give only flippant interest to their content.

But let diversity galore. We cant have others shut their mouth unless it is malicious and begins to have an impact.

 

[clicq]

In Gita, Lord Krishna always asked us to fight. Not just surrender to fate without doing anything

//TB boys in orthodox families tend to grow spineless. Women including TB women don’t find that attractive.

I keep hearing brahmin men are spineless only among TB community.In my brahmin community, we rarely hear that.Also I never heard arranged intercaste marriage like what is happening in TB communities.In my community(which I refuse to specify), women who married out typically fell in love (like classmates, colleagues etc) , but they don't give reason that our boys are spineless.

I strongly feel that absense of strong anti brahminism in other states is reason for this. TB men and women are strongly brainwashed in schools and colleges with so called dravidinism , which make them reject their culture and find other culture attractive. It also make them progressive and atheists with scant regard for religion.

I'm also bit spiritual and have some experiences regarding that. What I closely observed in my community , children of following types tend to marry out lot more than others

1.Parents are atheists/agnostics
2.Parents/ancestors who did lot of evil deeds within couple of generations before
3.Parents who left brahminical practices
4.Parents who provide broken home to children and have very bad relationships among themselves.

I've seen children of very good parents also had intercaste marriage.But it is lot fewer than others.

I'm 100% sure that , TB community will be wiped out within a generation or two or greately reduced in number. By the time Dravidinism finally recedes in tamil nadu , they will have to import brahmins from north or from other states.

It had happened in Karnataka multiple times in the history . Two of Four major brahmin community traces their ancestors to north , who arrived at south to rejuvenate Vedic culture. Vedic culture wouldn't die, but TB community as we know off will most probably is.

 

[sravna]

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Take it from me folks. Though I do not want to paint all Indian Americans with the same brush generally their first allegiance and naturally I would say, is to USA. But among them there are some who in the guise of showing interest and concern for Indians and the TB community do not heart of hearts have that concern especially on a matter that may hurt America.

They talk about Gita, Shraddha etc etc and worried about the very little knowledge that others at this forum have. I value them only for the different though prejudiced perspective and give only flippant interest to their content.

But let diversity galore. We cant have others shut their mouth unless it is malicious and begins to have an impact.

A correction in my previous post. I used the word Flippant. I really did not want to say that the content deserves respect. Sorry about the use of the word

 

[Vedant Kavaipatti]

I'm a long timer lurker and never posted here.I'm from a karnataka brahmin family and I've few of TB friends. One thing I've observed is Intercaste marriages among TB is very high compared to other brahmins.For example in karnataka there are 4 major brahmin communities.I've seen personally that we can put maximum percentage of intercaste marriages are between 10 to 15%.

Girls do marry out more often than men , but still their percentage is quite low(Women perhaps marry out 15% , Men perhaps marry out 10%). In my family or extended family there isn't a single intercaste marriage.But I do know few women and men in my community who had inter caste marriages.In fact compared to 2000s and 2010s , percentage of intercaste marriages is becoming stable or lower.I've attended at least 40 marriages in 2024.Out of them 39 were from within a caste.Other one is married to lingayat community who are fellow vegetarians and have similar culture.

But things are starkly different among TB friends , where too many men and women married out. In fact among TB friends there are very few children born of both TB houses.In US I've seen too many TB women married whites, blacks, chinese , hell lot of them are atheists/agnostics or nonreligious.I was really surprised how many of them are ultra progressive and woke left.

Whenever family functions happen in my family , we are glad to meet people , who speak the same language , have the similar customs, similar thinking .But I've seen among TBs too many different types of people meet in their family functions and uniqueness is pretty much lost.

I've seen similar tendencies among Telugu Brahmins, where inter caste marriages are pretty less.When I visited north indian states ,I've observed that brahmin intercaste marriages are still within 10 to 15% threshold.

My question is why only the TB community is affected so badly ? Why not other brahmins? Basically brainwashing by dravidian parties has an effect in destroying the TB community?

I feel that in the future , when dravidianism dies , one has to import brahmins from north india just like it has been done multiple times before.

Reason is because Dravidian movement has greatly abused TB people and brainwashed many of them into doing intercast marriage...

 

[sravna]

Dravidian movement may have brainwashed TBs into intercaste marriage but like temporary effects on all fine things you cannot prevail for long. I think the community is smart and wise enough to set vright the problem. One significant factor that I believe may have had an effect is TBs exposure to American culture. That might have liberated their general outlook and found nothing wrong with IC marriage.

But I think with resurgent India this will also be a temporary effect and TBS will realize that India has real substance and they will break free from the deluded views of American superiority. TBs resilience and maturity are enough to make them reinstate their faith in the venearble values of our land.

 

[renuka]

Dravidian movement may have brainwashed TBs into intercaste marriage but like temporary effects on all fine things you cannot prevail for long. I think the community is smart and wise enough to set vright the problem. One significant factor that I believe may have had an effect is TBs exposure to American culture. That might have liberated their general outlook and found nothing wrong with IC marriage.

But I think with resurgent India this will also be a temporary effect and TBS will realize that India has real substance and they will break free from the deluded views of American superiority. TBs resilience and maturity are enough to make them reinstate their faith in the venearble values of our land.

Dear Sravna,

Is it only USA ?
What about UK and Canada?

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Is it only USA ?
What about UK and Canada?

Renuka,

When it comes to taking praise USA only is praised but when it comes to taking blame USA wants to add U.K, Canada, Australia etc !