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Thanks for your interest in me, Ravi.
I am not hurt. I see members of this forum as fellow humans and not as theists or athiests. I have highlighted my intention in my post no.801.
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nachi naga
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brahmins by birth were patronised by rulers always from time immemorial and continues even today,as brahmins by living with ideals are existing.downfall was for brahmins by birth not for brahmins who lived life in the values enshrined as sathya dharma shanthi prema ahimsa ananda .because regimented description was classified for brahmins kshatriyas vaishyas shudras which continue to exist globally with a different labelling system.the lord only described and showed us the path during his/her avatharam.downfall you mean by material comfort and emotional comfort.even though i know nothing about ill treatment by brahmins and ill treatment by non-brahmins,but ill treatment continues to exist in all communities.stand up and fight,as the very god we pray exist within us,not just existing in temples,churches,mosques,synangogues etc.there is one earth and humans inhabit it.now who is a alien?who is demarcating borders?who is labelling him/her self?is it god or us?everybody is expressing their sense perception here,afaik,whether its 101 % or 120 % or 0 % is left to individuals to decipher,imho
.god protects all.memory is god also in my opnion.
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Well, we weren't the ones who posted phrases like "Evil NonBrahminism"...
but I sure like hell plan to borrow that idea and give it back with interest!
☠ LETS BE EVIL BRAHMIN!
C RAVI
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Not at all a bad idea!!!!! :first:
May be thats the need of the hour, the GOD is showing, to uphold spirituality, dhama and karma...:fencing:
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nachi naga
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evil when annagrammed becomes levi
and levi is a pious gentle person.nobody is evil all the time but the memory of evil doing keeps evil alive.erase the memory is the solution.
renuka
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So Who is the new Avatar? Dr Barani?
Dharmasamsthapanarthaya Sambhavati Dine Dine since he is here only daily basis.
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its quite disappointing from your end, and you are here to argue the toss. i was surprised earlier when brahminism was even dragged in to a topic, when an innocent opened a thread looking out for the recipe of sambhar. heights i call, its now iinvoked in to the discussion about existence of god, too.. pity. we need to draw the battle lines,if you think antibrahminism is to be entertained here.
sir, all hell broke loose, when you tilted the discussion this way.. .so sad, and im quite disappointed here. like hammer and tongs you argued, but you slipped out of the theme.
let bygones be bygones. shall we stay focused and work on way to prove or disprove the existence of god.. as simple as that is my request..thank you
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dr.barani, i think i can try to justify this post, as a retaliation. but then, this is not the example we should set to those atheist who claims that we humans still carry the predatory gene.
try this...give them a long rope, they'll f*c* it up.. try this strategy.
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nachi naga
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transcend time kalatheethaya namaha he is omnipresent omniscient omniomnitime
sangom
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Shri Saiyeen,
Hinduism by which I refer here to the brahminical scriptures, pay only lip service to Karma. The vedic brahmins indulged in unconscionable killing of animals in order to offer the "omentum" of those helpless animals in their sacrificial fire (which used to burn bright and tall, reaching the skies according to vedic imagination, and thus carry the offerings to their Gods directly). When Buddha came on the scene and opposed this pervasive cruelty in the name of religion and Ashoka became a very powerful monarch, the brahmins, like mice, virtually abandoned the vedic sacrifices. Does this not reveal that whatever the vedic brahmins were doing in the name of their gods, was only for their enjoyment and nothing else? If those brahmins really believed (whether rightly or wrongly) that their sacrifices were really satisfying to their gods, would they have been able to desert their old ship so soon, without even the faintest opposition? Buddha called their bluff, Ashoka announced punishment for cruelty to animals and these brahmins knew that their charades may land them in prison. And this also shows that they had no intrinsic faith in whatever they preached by way of vedas, brahmana texts and so on.
The destitute (in a manner of speaking, because their age-old trick of sacrifices and the devas etc., were no longer marketable) the brahmins started the Epics/Purana scheme. This was mostly a common barn for both the Jains and the brahmins and each group tried to excel the other and produce highly imaginative stories which would help them to re-establish their control over the ignorant populace. The old set of gods (devas) were forsaken and some like Indra were even rubbished and made worse so that the new generation gods like Rama, Krishna, Dutta, Subrahmanya etc., could be adopted and new and more acceptable methods devised to regain control over the gullible majority which comprised mostly of the Vaishya class since the Sudras had no access to any part of the brahminical religion, till "the Almighty God" as per Dr. Barani, decided to ditch the brahmans - when the aliens left the Rock Fort for ever and so the Sudras could gradually claim their right to participate and learn their religion.
Lately brahmins seem to be slowly and surreptitiously once again hitching on to the new generation Gods called Gurus, Acharyas, Swamis, Babas, Godmen/Godwomen, etc. But to me it appears as though these new generation gods are very smart and so may outwit the brahmins
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transcend time kalatheethaya namaha he is omnipresent omniscient omniomnitime
Right now, I am omni-internet-present, so I am somewhere 25% towards becoming a God!
Other than that, my "evil brain" is presently contemplating how to ridicule a red-meat eating ABB who is putting down 10,000 year old vedic brahmins... but isn't four ridicules a day adequate enough?
renuka
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Right now, I am omni-internet-present, so I am somewhere 25% towards becoming a God!
Other than that, my "evil brain" is presently contemplating how to ridicule a red-meat eating ABB who is putting down 10,000 year old vedic brahmins... but isn't four ridicules a day adequate enough?
Dear Dr Barani,
See since you are the Official Bad Boy now you need a song to go along with your image.
Michael Jackson - Bad - YouTube
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nachi naga
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Right now, I am omni-internet-present, so I am somewhere 25% towards becoming a God!
scriptures declare aham brahmasmi.i am not this body but a spirit soul.which one are you referring to?is it your body or your athma? as both are divine is the truth.one can exist without the other,namely the spirit soul exists no matter what.
red-meat eating is present time.10,000 year old vedic brahmin by definition is 10,000 year old.vedic brahmins are red-meat eaters then now and in future.those who dont get classified into buddhists philosophy in paper as most buddhist are meat eaters.maybe jainas are stronger in upholding vegeteranism.hindus were always meat eaters,the only thing now its vegetable meat,grain meat,lentil meat but its meat neverthless
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nachi naga
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rip mikey what a great artiste.
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nachi naga
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Shri Saiyeen,
Hinduism by which I refer here to the brahminical scriptures, pay only lip service to Karma. The vedic brahmins indulged in unconscionable killing of animals in order to offer the "omentum" of those helpless animals in their sacrificial fire (which used to burn bright and tall, reaching the skies according to vedic imagination, and thus carry the offerings to their Gods directly). When Buddha came on the scene and opposed this pervasive cruelty in the name of religion and Ashoka became a very powerful monarch, the brahmins, like mice, virtually abandoned the vedic sacrifices. Does this not reveal that whatever the vedic brahmins were doing in the name of their gods, was only for their enjoyment and nothing else? If those brahmins really believed (whether rightly or wrongly) that their sacrifices were really satisfying to their gods, would they have been able to desert their old ship so soon, without even the faintest opposition? Buddha called their bluff, Ashoka announced punishment for cruelty to animals and these brahmins knew that their charades may land them in prison. And this also shows that they had no intrinsic faith in whatever they preached by way of vedas, brahmana texts and so on.
The destitute (in a manner of speaking, because their age-old trick of sacrifices and the devas etc., were no longer marketable) the brahmins started the Epics/Purana scheme. This was mostly a common barn for both the Jains and the brahmins and each group tried to excel the other and produce highly imaginative stories which would help them to re-establish their control over the ignorant populace. The old set of gods (devas) were forsaken and some like Indra were even rubbished and made worse so that the new generation gods like Rama, Krishna, Dutta, Subrahmanya etc., could be adopted and new and more acceptable methods devised to regain control over the gullible majority which comprised mostly of the Vaishya class since the Sudras had no access to any part of the brahminical religion, till "the Almighty God" as per Dr. Barani, decided to ditch the brahmans - when the aliens left the Rock Fort for ever and so the Sudras could gradually claim their right to participate and learn their religion.
Lately brahmins seem to be slowly and surreptitiously once again hitching on to the new generation Gods called Gurus, Acharyas, Swamis, Babas, Godmen/Godwomen, etc. But to me it appears as though these new generation gods are very smart and so may outwit the brahmins
its called reincarnation.obviously charavakhans too reincarnate
sangom
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But not answering my doubt will only show you in a poor light.
Dear Mr Saiyeen,
This is what Sangom Sir told you(in quotes) and what I have to say about that:
This is the problem with self-loathing brahmins of our times. They use all their knowledge of Sanskrit to thoroughly read (only read) the vedas which includes the upanishad part also. But always they will quote selectively from the rituals parts of vedas only. Their aim is to belittle the knowledge of our ancestors. It is like reading only that part of Bible where a tale of incest is narrated in detail and telling the world that Bible is all about only incestuous relationships. So the moral of the story is -never take these people seriously until you hear the other side also- because they know only digging the gutter in the backyard and making the whole place stink. They wont take you into the pooja room where you will be able to enjoy the fragrance of sandal. To use an example used by Alwar, these are people who are "Eraar muyalirukka kaakkai pin povor".
All this story is told as if they were personal witnesses to the happenings of that time!! Please ask for proof. Ask them to tell you the name of the Chronicler who has recorded all these stories about Buddha and Ashoka selectively opposing only the brahmins of that time. You will be encountering a sphynx like silence. We know only this much that Buddha was preaching Ahimsa ( which included no harm to animals as well as humans-not selectively a kind of vegetarianism talked about here) and Ashoka was more into that kind of repenting because he killed many men in his wars before his turning to Ahimsa(the kalinga war is only one of them). But for our great enthusiasts of 'selective knowledge sharing' Buddha and Ashoka become anti-brahmin heroes. How resourceful these people are!!
The more these self-loathers feel cornered they turn more desperate and spin stories out of thin air. So it has to graduate from Indra to Rama, Krishna etc and with a broad brush every one has to be ridiculed and painted as demon. And the biggest joke is that these heroes say that the majority of our ancestors were gullible fools or idiots who will believe any cock and bull story spun by any one. And there hangs a story. They need the support of some sections of the society atleast to support all their childish outpouings ( they feel so insecure). They think they have some following in these so called gullible sections for which they would like to become the messiahs.
If a Guru or Acharya gets these 'self-loathing saints' a few boons - it can be any thing, a curing of a chronic physical problem, a long awaited child birth in the family etc., -they will sing a different song.
Take care to double check whatever these 'saints' say if you want to stay sane.
Cheers.
This is what Sangom Sir told you(in quotes) and what I have to say about that:
This is the problem with self-loathing brahmins of our times. They use all their knowledge of Sanskrit to thoroughly read (only read) the vedas which includes the upanishad part also. But always they will quote selectively from the rituals parts of vedas only. Their aim is to belittle the knowledge of our ancestors. It is like reading only that part of Bible where a tale of incest is narrated in detail and telling the world that Bible is all about only incestuous relationships. So the moral of the story is -never take these people seriously until you hear the other side also- because they know only digging the gutter in the backyard and making the whole place stink. They wont take you into the pooja room where you will be able to enjoy the fragrance of sandal. To use an example used by Alwar, these are people who are "Eraar muyalirukka kaakkai pin povor".
All this story is told as if they were personal witnesses to the happenings of that time!! Please ask for proof. Ask them to tell you the name of the Chronicler who has recorded all these stories about Buddha and Ashoka selectively opposing only the brahmins of that time. You will be encountering a sphynx like silence. We know only this much that Buddha was preaching Ahimsa ( which included no harm to animals as well as humans-not selectively a kind of vegetarianism talked about here) and Ashoka was more into that kind of repenting because he killed many men in his wars before his turning to Ahimsa(the kalinga war is only one of them). But for our great enthusiasts of 'selective knowledge sharing' Buddha and Ashoka become anti-brahmin heroes. How resourceful these people are!!
The more these self-loathers feel cornered they turn more desperate and spin stories out of thin air. So it has to graduate from Indra to Rama, Krishna etc and with a broad brush every one has to be ridiculed and painted as demon. And the biggest joke is that these heroes say that the majority of our ancestors were gullible fools or idiots who will believe any cock and bull story spun by any one. And there hangs a story. They need the support of some sections of the society atleast to support all their childish outpouings ( they feel so insecure). They think they have some following in these so called gullible sections for which they would like to become the messiahs.
Lately brahmins seem to be slowly and surreptitiously once again hitching on to the new generation Gods called Gurus, Acharyas, Swamis, Babas, Godmen/Godwomen, etc. But to me it appears as though these new generation gods are very smart and so may outwit the brahmins
If a Guru or Acharya gets these 'self-loathing saints' a few boons - it can be any thing, a curing of a chronic physical problem, a long awaited child birth in the family etc., -they will sing a different song.
Take care to double check whatever these 'saints' say if you want to stay sane.
Cheers.
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nachi naga
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we all are some percentage of carnivorous humans as well as herbivorous humans.god is not imaginary.god is real and alive everywhere.there is not a single place god does not live.in order to show righteous path sometimes evil things are made to happen.god is the sutradhaari.avatars come for a reason.shanthi has to prevail within us first so that outer world has shanthi.just as light gets refracted into many,god gets refracted in many beings.just as a child is growing in a womb of a woman by due plantation of seed,we all are in the hiranya-garbha of god.there is no place other than god here now.internet is like innernet and like spiders we weave our web.hope all of us like spider man/woman super man/woman.i feel so grateful that chamatkaars of god was/is made known to me in real life thru dreams thru visions during meditation.realising god is the ultimate treasure.
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We have two things . One set is agnosticism, atheism, skepticism ,rationality, unorthodox, reformist and the like.
The other set if traditionalism, orthodoxy, revivalist, conservative, caste-oriented and the like.
The first set contains a wide spectrum of people some of whom believe in god or not closed to the idea of God.
The latter set usually comprises believers but there are people like the RSS who are not traditional and may not believe in God but are oriented to some kind of revival.
Antibrahminism is mainly associated with the first set. But that is the impression gained because many of the people in the first set are not ant-brahmin but pro-reform. Take Bharathiar - He was not an antibrahmin. Similarly there are many atheists who are not antibrahmins. They are just pro-reform.
Having said this , in Tamil Nadu the problem was that we Brahmins isolated ourselves from others in so many ways. Thus when the hooligans attacked us, there was no strongmen to defend the TBs. It is a problem of relationship. But in whichever pockets brahmins had good relation with NBs violence was less.
Instead of claiming to be persecuted all the time, let us also study why the people in the early part of last century did not mingle well with other communities especially lower castes. Why was it necessary for the British to come before it dawned on us that low castes need to be served too? What prevented the brahmin from going to the dalit village and help them have good knowledge ( which was accessible to the middle castes ). What prevented that? I have one and only one answer narrowmindedness in its extreme form had seeped into every fly in the agraharam.
Having said that , there were brahmins who came out with reforms. Bharathiar being one good example. There were many many others not known and famous today. There were gandhian brahmin women who married non brahmin as early as the 1950. I have met one. To a non brahmin the slow reforms in brahmin households may seem too slow and too selfish. I agree it is too slow and lot of it has to do with hypocrisy. But a lot has do with programmed orthodoxy swept deep into one's mind. This only a B can understand.
My wife for instance follows many traditions especially with regard to rituals of the kitchen including the other things which are forbidden in that household. But this remains inadequate if an older generation person comes home. It is not that they are demanding or something. But if these rules wouldnt be followed if the elders come home they wouldnt be able to sleep or even swallow the water in the house. It is a deep level programming as much as the disgust which many modern people would show towards a fly lying on their food. Some can even go to the extent of starving but not be capable of eating that kind food preparation. In my case my wife did not have any problems due to her adjusting attitude. This programmed orthodoxy is the reason one must understand that has prevented the elder generation from integrating and mingling well with the lower castes. If that had happened, brahmins would not have been isolated no matter how intolerant the middle castes would have been. But even the need to confront an angry middle caste may not have been there.
The other set if traditionalism, orthodoxy, revivalist, conservative, caste-oriented and the like.
The first set contains a wide spectrum of people some of whom believe in god or not closed to the idea of God.
The latter set usually comprises believers but there are people like the RSS who are not traditional and may not believe in God but are oriented to some kind of revival.
Antibrahminism is mainly associated with the first set. But that is the impression gained because many of the people in the first set are not ant-brahmin but pro-reform. Take Bharathiar - He was not an antibrahmin. Similarly there are many atheists who are not antibrahmins. They are just pro-reform.
Having said this , in Tamil Nadu the problem was that we Brahmins isolated ourselves from others in so many ways. Thus when the hooligans attacked us, there was no strongmen to defend the TBs. It is a problem of relationship. But in whichever pockets brahmins had good relation with NBs violence was less.
Instead of claiming to be persecuted all the time, let us also study why the people in the early part of last century did not mingle well with other communities especially lower castes. Why was it necessary for the British to come before it dawned on us that low castes need to be served too? What prevented the brahmin from going to the dalit village and help them have good knowledge ( which was accessible to the middle castes ). What prevented that? I have one and only one answer narrowmindedness in its extreme form had seeped into every fly in the agraharam.
Having said that , there were brahmins who came out with reforms. Bharathiar being one good example. There were many many others not known and famous today. There were gandhian brahmin women who married non brahmin as early as the 1950. I have met one. To a non brahmin the slow reforms in brahmin households may seem too slow and too selfish. I agree it is too slow and lot of it has to do with hypocrisy. But a lot has do with programmed orthodoxy swept deep into one's mind. This only a B can understand.
My wife for instance follows many traditions especially with regard to rituals of the kitchen including the other things which are forbidden in that household. But this remains inadequate if an older generation person comes home. It is not that they are demanding or something. But if these rules wouldnt be followed if the elders come home they wouldnt be able to sleep or even swallow the water in the house. It is a deep level programming as much as the disgust which many modern people would show towards a fly lying on their food. Some can even go to the extent of starving but not be capable of eating that kind food preparation. In my case my wife did not have any problems due to her adjusting attitude. This programmed orthodoxy is the reason one must understand that has prevented the elder generation from integrating and mingling well with the lower castes. If that had happened, brahmins would not have been isolated no matter how intolerant the middle castes would have been. But even the need to confront an angry middle caste may not have been there.
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nachi naga
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god exists subbudu.brahmins are not the culprits.in fact brahmins are most humble docile people in majority.there are minority exceptions always in any cmmunity.we can not brand the entire lot as bad people.god is in everyone,i believe god exists even in atheists,as they keep denying god.one can deny only when you know it exists.if atheist are not there there will be no one to preach to
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Now therefore follows the entrusting: When a man thinks he is about to die, he says to his son: You are Brahman, you are the sacrifice and you are the world. The son replies: I am Brahman, I am the sacrifice, I am the world. The Sruti explains the thoughts of the father: Whatever has been studied by me (the father) is all unified in the word Brahman. Whatever sacrifices have been made by me (the father) are all unified in the word sacrifice. And whatever worlds were to be; won by me (the father)are all unified in the word world. All this is indeed this much. He (the son), being all this, will protect me from the ties of this world. Therefore they speak of a son who is well instructed as being conducive to the winning of the world; and therefore a father instructs him.
Yajur Veda, Brihadaranyaka Upanishad I, V-Manifestations of Prajapati, 17
Yajur Veda, Brihadaranyaka Upanishad I, V-Manifestations of Prajapati, 17
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nachi naga
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renu gets the christian holy number message 8 8 8 may sai baba the father protect you always
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subbudu1
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I just now came across this website.
What is recorded here seems horrific.
History of Jihad against the Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 - Ongoing)
The terror of fanaticism does not escape my eyes. Legend goes that my ancestors left Nasik when fanatic invaders arrived there. Even today I have heard Nasik has a high population of a particular religion. Why would somebody need to run away from a place. That is immaterial. Shiv was very concerned about atheists bringing in immorality but the stories of immorality among fanatics exceeds all limits of imagination. Though this website documents about one religion it is easy to argue that the presence of religion is bound to give birth to such fanatics. Even recently in Godhra I heard hindu fanatics chopped killed pregnant women. Ramanuja had to escape from the Chola land. There are many other stories of fanaticism even in India,
What a shame! Why is the fear of god not bringing in morality among these people.
What is recorded here seems horrific.
History of Jihad against the Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 - Ongoing)
The terror of fanaticism does not escape my eyes. Legend goes that my ancestors left Nasik when fanatic invaders arrived there. Even today I have heard Nasik has a high population of a particular religion. Why would somebody need to run away from a place. That is immaterial. Shiv was very concerned about atheists bringing in immorality but the stories of immorality among fanatics exceeds all limits of imagination. Though this website documents about one religion it is easy to argue that the presence of religion is bound to give birth to such fanatics. Even recently in Godhra I heard hindu fanatics chopped killed pregnant women. Ramanuja had to escape from the Chola land. There are many other stories of fanaticism even in India,
What a shame! Why is the fear of god not bringing in morality among these people.
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nachi naga
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one has to look at the bigger picture.because of modern science gadgets,we come to know about horrific incidents,which are glorified by media,as this brings revenue,with advertsement income.websites flourish people make money.fear of god is concept,but why would anybody fear god?unless he is punishment giver!! and a judge !! and so on.......people shud be able to protect themselves either by fair representation thru law and order or empower the with arms to protect themselves !! what is moral and what is immoral ? varies from sections of people to people.what has god to do with this morality of humans?
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renu gets the christian holy number message 8 8 8 may sai baba the father protect you always
I am yet to come across another woman like Dr.Renuka, most accomplished in career, most well read, and most well mannered, and most impressive all rounder. She is a role-model for women. I see that her God has already blessed her with everything good and taking care of her.
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