Hinduism Vs Rest

[NARAS]

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SIR-

Paragraph deleted by Ramki.

i am residing in chepauk constituency of which the karunanidh is an MLA. the dayanidhi maran was also elected from this constituency as an MP. The karunanidhi never went to the assembly from 2001 to 2006 even though he was an MLA of this constituency. he very rarely visited the area. even if there is a slight drizzle, the whole of chepauk gets flooded with dirty water, sand filth etc. there are no proper amenities for people. the dirty cooum breds moquitous leading to many diseases like chicken guinea, malaria, typoid etc. people use platforms as toilets. there is congestion all over. life is hell. power cuts are frequent. street lights do not function properly. urchins, anti socials rule the roost. now that both the Dr. karunanidhi & the maran are ministers will they visit the area regularly? willthey do something for the fools who have blindly elected them? let Mr. karunanidhi think about these poor voters instead of wasting his time abusing brahmins & orthodox hindus.

DK and DMK say that anyone who believes in hinduism is a fool. does that mean that paramacharyar, ramanujar, vivekanandar, raghvendrar & mahatma gandhi are fools ? and the some leaders are intellects even though they have studied only upto 3rd std just because they do not believe in hinduism?

 

[NARAS]

sir- recently ms. jayalalitha issued a statement condemning chief minister of t.nadu the M.karunanidhi for having 4 wives. now it s true that the M. Karunanidhi has a casanova image. he s a playful character. Mr. Karunanidhi has a flashy lifestyle heading an empire worth crores of ruppes. his cooling glass and yellow shawl betray him more as a minor of manapakkam rather than a politician. but jayalalitha being in public life herself should have exposed these detailes in a polished manner. the lalitha was far too harsh and explicit in her comments. the karunanidhi who pays back his opponents in filthy language even if the opponents are decent, hit back inthe assembly mudslinging about the private life of the lalitha.. t.nadu people who have already been poisoned & polarised for many years by the DMKs senseless vitriols now have the lalitha also to contend.

once the Dr. karunanidhi retorted that bhagavad gita instigates war and violence. but as gandhiji rightly said, in the gita, the pandavas who win the war do not enjoy the fruits of victory. they suffer like beggars and die a said death. thus the mahabaratha shows that even if you win a war you will not get peace. this is the essence of gita nd mahabaratha.

the population of muslims in india has been increasing since 1947 above national average at an alarming rate. at this rate, india may well become an islamic republic soon. so its back to barbaric arabian days soon.will the DMKi say anything about this.

the dmk also says often that in hinduism all non brahmins are called as shudras. actually shudra is sanskirt word for non vegetarian. any non veggies even if he is a brahmin, is a shudra as per hindiusm- as gandhiji said.. but the DMK does not have the sharpness to appreciate this point.

it s easy for non brahmins in india to get converted to brahminism rather than to any other religion. there is no need for any custom, ritual etc. the only condition is that you must become a vegetarian. its that easy. and its an indian ideology. not a foreign or imported one.
it s also being said that hinduism is the only relegion which sanctions untouchability and that is why he so called untouchables are given reservation. but they can always convert themselves to other religions - and there are so many religions in india itself- to escape untouchablilty. why reservations? is it not hypocrytic to denounce your own religion but still certify yourselves as 'hindu' just to get quota benefits?

 

[aditya]

The book below reveals that discrimination in islam goes back historically, as it does in christianity. The discrimination of dalits and lower castes by higher castes in christianity and islam is NOT because of Hindu society's influence; on the contrary, such practices have their origins in the history of islam and christianity.

It is common for certain sections of muslims, who claim direct descent from persian and moghul dynasties, to look down upon vast majority of Indian muslims who were converted from hinduism. The same is true in christianity; it is common for the christian whites to think of the converted non-whites as inferior beings.

I will later post an interesting paper that discusses how similar divisions are intrinsic to christianity - in this case white christians vs. nonwhite christians.

Muslim Dalits a downtrodden lot
Nalin Verma ​

Ali Anwar's book, 'Masawat ki Jung' has sent a sever down the spines of Muslim elites as it dwells at length on the plight of dalit Muslims derided and treated as pariahs by the upper caste brethren and ulemas. This goes against tenets of Islam which don't sanction inequality on the basis of caste and birth.

The book written in the Hindustani language illustrates in detail how the small number of upper caste Muslims who constitute only 15 per cent of the total Muslim population in India have been enjoying control over the religious, political and social institutions of the country for centuries.

The author has identified the dalit castes in his community and has described their pitiable condition on the basis of his field survey and spending time with time. The Muslim dalits include Jolaha, Nutt, Bakkho, Bhatiyara, Kunjra, Dhunia, Kalal, Dafali, Halakhor, Dhobi, Lalbegi, Gorkan, Meershikar, Cheek, Rangrez and Darji.

The book emphasizes how these castes have been socially and economically "abused" by the upper caste Muslims for centuries. "Not to speak of others, even the great social reformer like Sayed Ahmad Khan abused Jolahas describing them as badjat (bad caste)", the book says...

...The book quotes numerous popular idioms which the "high born" Muslims use to despise the dalits in their community. Among them is "Khet khaye gadaha, maar khaye jolaha (Jolaha should be beaten up if the donkey grazes the harvest)." Another is: "Dom ghar khaibo, dhob ghar khaibo na (Eat at Dom's house but never eat at a Dhobi's house). Dhob is a washer man community.

The book says that the condition of dalit Muslims is "worse than dalit Hindus". "It's a big farce that there is no untouchability in Muslim society. The disease of untouchability is very much prevalent in Muslim society. In fact, neither the Muslims' ruling elite nor the religious leaders have so far made any meaningful efforts to remove the disease of inequality that has made the dalit Muslims to suffer for centuries." The author says that the Muslim political and religious leaders have rather tried to conceal the casteism, untouchability and inequality in the community to serve their vested interests.

Interestingly, the book disputes the general opinion of historians and social scientists that the Muslim society adopted the vices of social inequality and casteism from the Hindu society. "The general belief that Muslim society has absorbed the caste based disparities from the Hindu society is not wholly true."

The book says that the disease of social inequality was prevalent even in the Arab society during the pre-Islam and post-Islam days. To drive his point home the author asks: "If there was no inequality in Arab(ia)-where Islam was born-how does the Arabic literatures contain the words, ashraf, azlaf and arzal? These three Arabic words are derived from their Arabic roots, sharf, zalf and razl which mean gentle, lowly and pariah respectively."


...But if the Muslim society, the book argues, imposes the onus of the vice inequality and casteism wholly on Hindu society it is absolutely wrong. "It's a design to hide one's own vice."

...The book says that the dalit and backward Muslims who constitute more than 75 per cent of the total Muslim population in the country are now awakened to the "reality" that the Muslim political and religious leadership "dominated by the upper castes" will not raise their (dalit Muslim's) cause. But in a bid to guard their "vested interests, the likes of Sayed Shahabuddin and several ulemmas are now clamouring for the reservation for all the poor Muslims in the Government job". "It's yet another design to perpetuate the hegemony of Sheikhs, Pathans and Malliks-the high caste Muslims-who have been ruling the mosques, Muslims' religious and charity related bodies and the politics."

The book also holds the Muslm ulemmas responsible for the plight of the dalit Muslims. "Why these ulemmas don't wage a crusade against the casteism and inequality which are against the basic tenets of Islam", the author asks, adding: " these ulemmas mainly belonging to upper castes dominate the rich religious and charity related bodies." "And they are as much attracted towards power and pelf as the Vishwa Hindu Parishad sponsored sadhus are."
Religious and charitable organisations of the Muslims, according to the book, used to be supported by the subscriptions from the people in the past. "But now these organisatinos are run on petro-dollars and the ulemmas exercising control over them have their eyes on money coming from the Arab and other Muslim countries." "So", according to the book, "these ulemmas are more interested in maintaining their credibility with the Arab countries rather than dealing with the day to day life, struggle and problems of the Muslim masses at large in their own country."

The book warns: "The foreign money can add colours and decorations in our mosques but it has all the potential to deviate our neo-rich ulemmas from the path of truth and religiosity." "Besides, the foreign money can add to several other vices."

To prove that how the religious and charitable organisations of the Muslims ignore the cause of their poor and socially backward brethren, the book cites the example of the headquarters of the Imarat-e-Shariah (Bihar and Orissa) located in the Phulwari Sharief area of Patna. Close to the Imarat-e-Shariah office there is a huge settlement of halalkhors (Muslim dalits). "Cholera broke out in the halakhors locality a few years ago killing six poor people. Not to speak of providing any material assistance, the Imarat-e-Shariah's office bearers did not even prefer to meet the affected families and inquire about their welfare", the book says.

The book intersperse with numerous popular anecdotes, idioms and tales, dwells at length on the travails and exploitation of the dalit Muslims and how they are treated as "pariah" by the upper caste Muslims and ulemmas calling the shots.

http://www.bihartimes.com/book_review/book_review5.html

 

[NARAS]

SIR - at the rate dmk govt. is going, the following things may happen in the next few days -

a film on criminal rapist auto shankar with story, dialogues by Mr. karunanidhi to be produced by t.nadu govt. it wil be totally tax free! do you know who will be acting as hero auto shankar? who else but the discredited satyaraj!!

a drama on sandalwood criminal veerappan with story, dialogues by karunanidhi and as usual the satyaraj playing hero veerappan. again this also will be tax free!! this also will be produced by t.nadu gov.

a documentary glorifying madhani who engineered coimbatore blasts in 1998 killing more than 100 innocent tamils, will be produced by the t.nadu govt.it will be scripted by the Dr.karunanidhi. commentary by the satyaraj. it will be show in all theatres and in all tv channels in t.nadu

in all cricket matches and matches of other sports being played in t.nadu, scoreboard should be shown in tamil only.however for benefit of muslims one arabic scoreboard and one latin scoreboard for christians will also be allowed!!

the compulsory prayer for all school children will be as follows -

SONIA SARANAM GACHAAMI!!
RAHUL SARANAM GACHAAMI!!
PRIYANKA SARANAM GACHAAMI!!

more liquor shops to be opened all over t.nadu. bishops and maulvis who convert maximum number of hindus to their religious fold will be honoured by govt. during independence day.

statues of the satyaraj to be opened at govt cost all over t.nadu.

govt. employees who avail maximum leave, go on strikes and walkout will be given immediate promotion and increment. caste quotas in govt. jobs to be made permanent and increased to 5000% .

arrangements will be made to supply alchohol in orthodox temples.

rest in next!!

 

[NARAS]

SIR- SHRI. Karunanidhi always says that he is the only leader of all tamils in the world. he boasts that he s the sole custodian & champion of tamil language & culture. but the DMK has on its own never got the support of more than 20% of tamils . what about that?

it is surprisingthat inspite of having so much of money, power and influence the Mr.Karunanidhi still suffers from an inferiority complex that he is a lower caste. the muthuvelan claims that his ancestors were all hindus. but he loathes hinduism always. he s been having an illicit relation with islam and christianity fr many years now. this political adultery of the DMK with islam and christianity has poisoned, polluted & polarised t.nadu. when will the country be freed from the venoms of the DMK?

 

[NARAS]

Vijayakant is a drunkard!

chenna reddy tried to rape me!!

Mr. advani has got selective amnesia!

nobody in t.nadu knew about Mr. vajpayee. it was i who introduced vajpayee to the people of t.nadu!!

Muthuvela karunanidhi and his wives should quit chennai soon with their families. that would reduce population of chennai by 50%!

Mr. narasimha rao has instigated robbers against me!

moopanaar was involved in assassinating rajiv gandhi!

MGR was killed by his own wife janaki mgr !!

sonia gandhi is not loyal to rajivgandhi!


SIR - what has been mentioned above are not abuses of a drunkard. these are all state ments of Ms. j.jayalalitha on her opponents over the years. just like the DMK, the lalitha also does not believe in public decency, decorum. she spews venom on her opponents mudslinging about their personal lives. but she has never had the courage to questionthe DMKs senseless vitriols on caste, religion and language. only god can save tamils from these two.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - its very pathetic to c the present chief minister of t.nadu Mr. Muthuvel karunanidhi unable to stand or walk on his own. why he should be then so particular in continuing as chief minister ? he can handover reins ( or is it ruins?) to the stalin.

i have seen, read and heard about how morarji desai, R. venkatraman, rajaji etc. stand and walk comfortably even in their 90s without much difficulty.why then is the M. Karunanidhi struggling like this even in his middle 80s? whats the problem with the karunanidhi? he is the cm. he has to disclose this openly or else call quits from ministership.i remember he has ridiculed so many persons including the late mgr for their physical problems. now it s the turn of Mr. M. Karunanidhi to face the music. time s a great leveller.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - a case filed against Mr.L.K Advani, BJP Leader in 1992 is still pending. the compliant is that Mr. advani instigated partymen to demolish 'babri masjid' a neglected monument 'claimed' by islamic fundamentalists as a 'mosque'. the only evidence against Mr. advani is that he was physically present during the demolition but did not stop the demolition.

by the same yardstick sonia maina gandhi was physically present when indira gandhi was assassinated. but the maina did not do anything to prevent her mother in law from getting assassinated. does that mean that the maina was involved in the assassination? will cases be registered against the maina?

 

[NARAS]

SIR DMK says that dravidians are original inhabitants of india. and aryans invaded india and tortured dravidians. DMK says since dravidians were first to come, they should rule over the aryans.but actually animals came to this world even before man! the darwin theory which has been accepted world wide as a scientific discovery also says this. by this logic, the dravidians have no right to rule, kill & consume animals because animals were IST to imhabit world!whys not the DMK saying this? why is it that the DMK is not applying this logic to muslims? muslims came to india many many centuries after hindus.and that too by invading. they committed innumerable atrocities on hindus. but the DMKn embraces muslims, DMK leaders go to muslim functions and gobble anything muslims give to them and certifiy (?) that muslim rituals, foods etc are better than hindus! why is the lalitha keeping quiet about this?

 

[rxrajamo]

Hi N.Suresh

You seem to be a very angry young guy. Instead of venting out your anger against politicians, why dont you channelize all that energy into helping our community ? Since you are in Chennai, you can help us in a number of ways like enrolling more memebrs, letting us know of any poor community member needing help etc. Let us try and keep the forum positive.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Ramki

 

[NARAS]

SIR - exchange of views (or even anger as you have said) is also positive sir. but i will try to do what you have suggested also.

 

[NARAS]

Hi N.Suresh

SIR - there r 2 ways by which i can help you. i can go to ******* website and ask their members to view our website and join our forum. i can also go to some free ads site and request advertisers to post their adverisement in our website. shall i mention our website as www.tamilbrahmins.com?
how to draft the request? will you pls. send any other details to be mentioned? if any member has any message which will help the community and they inform me i ll try to post that message in some advt.site.

but i do not think we should refrain from talking about politicians. after all the money and luxury politicians enjoy is from the tax payers money and we brahmins are also part of it. The karunanidhi , the chief minister of t.nadu
who collects all sorts of taxes from all brahmins and leads a luxuruous life, calls brahmins as snakes! surely this has to be replied. but i agree that even anger should be given vent only in decent language.by the way, i am not all that young. i am almost 40!!

 

[rxrajamo]

Suresh

Please call me Ramki. Thanks for your offer to help us Suresh. We need all te help we can get. For starters, you can ask all your friends and family to join our forum.

Right now we have very few people in India, especially in TN, who can help us by volunteering. We need more volunteers on the field. Maybe you and your friends can become volunteers too.

The following are the areas that volunteers can help us with

1) Spreading the word and increasing our visibilty
2) Identify & Verify poor people in our community who need help and post their requests on the forum. We all can then join together in helping them.
3) Help us in gathering data on our Brahmin community

We are also looking to see if we can conduct some coaching classes (Physics/Chemistry/Maths/Biology) for professional courses (BE/MBBS) for our community students. We need help in finding good teachers from our community who can help us and also in finding needy students. Maybe if you know someone in Thambraas he/she can help us in identifying the teachers & students.

Thanks
Ramki







We need more active particiapation.

Hi N.Suresh

SIR - there r 2 ways by which i can help you. i can go to ******* website and ask their members to view our website and join our forum. i can also go to some free ads site and request advertisers to post their adverisement in our website. shall i mention our website as www.tamilbrahmins.com?
how to draft the request? will you pls. send any other details to be mentioned? if any member has any message which will help the community and they inform me i ll try to post that message in some advt.site.

but i do not think we should refrain from talking about politicians. after all the money and luxury politicians enjoy is from the tax payers money and we brahmins are also part of it. The karunanidhi , the chief minister of t.nadu
who collects all sorts of taxes from all brahmins and leads a luxuruous life, calls brahmins as snakes! surely this has to be replied. but i agree that even anger should be given vent only in decent language.by the way, i am not all that young. i am almost 40!!

 

[NARAS]

SIR - I have already posted an advt.in ******* website asking their members to join our forum. i have also posted an advt.asking advertisers to advertise in our tamil brahmins website. the advt.can be viewed in http://cheelusuresh.myadpost.com. but there is a problem inenrolling more members in our forum. not allof my brahmins friends have internet or website. but ill try to enrol members as far as possible.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - i request all of our members to visit [email protected] and [email protected] and invite all members of thambraas to visit our forum and become its members. i hv already extended invitation. this would lead to more interaction & co-ordination between thambraas and tamilbrahmins.com .

i request indian govt. to bring a law immediately to ban film shootings inside temples. tamil films are showing all sorts of vulgar lyrics, cheap dance movements inside temples. is this the purpose why our forefathers built these temples? most of tamil film makers are stooges of the periar and the karunanidhi.even kanchi paramacharya was said to have been very pained on seeing and hearing about film shooting inside temples. we cannot except the corrupt indian censor board to act on this. the indian govt. must take some action.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - I was watching a movie called 'parasakthi' written by the Muttuvelan Karunanidhi. In this movie a priest tries to rape a female devotee in temple premises! In another movie called 'manohara' a father who has a son aged almost 25 yrs. tries to kill his son onthe advice of his concubine! In another writing of the muttuvelan 'tholkappia pooonga' a teacher is shown as falling in love with his student! most of the muttuvelan's stories revolve around these types of vulgarity and sex. The muttuvelan is rightly called by some as the 'Harrold Robbins' of india.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - Mr. karunanidhi retorts that Bhagavad Gita instigates violence. But in the film Parasakhi written by the muttuvelan the hero(?) attacks a priest inside temple premises. he openly admits inthe court that he has committed the crime, but he does not feel sorry for that. The judge whos the hero's (!) own brother, releases him! This film openly instigates violence. Shockingly the censors certified this film. I think the DMK must have bribed the censors. what right does the M.Karunanidhi who has written stories for many films bordering on violence and vulgarity have to criticise the holy gita?

 

[NARAS]

SIR - Mr. Karunanidhi, the self styled leader (?) of world wide tamils said last year that S.V. SHEKAR, Tamil film comedian was a 'PAARPANA SIRUVAN' If S.V. Shekar says that M.karunanidhi is a 'ISAI VELLALA KIZHAVAN ', will the DMK swallow it? The DMK abuses all brahmins who oppose them as 'PAARPAAN' AND 'AVAAL' . However if anybody even indirectly criticizes his Isai Vellalan caste,the Karunanidhi fumes venom like a viper!dmk who reside in a glass house should not throw stones on others.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - Why has this paragraph been deleted ? I do not think thereis anything blatantly offensive, vulgar or unparliamentary. Please let me know the reasons sir. THANKS

REGARDS

N.SURESH
22 11 2006

 

[NARAS]

SIR = Mr. Muttuvel karunanidhi, on coming to power in t.nadu in 1989 immediately declared his own caste the isai vellalan community as .most backward' The M.Karunanidhi justified this move by saying that his caste was the most , most,most backward inthe whole world!

The Dayanidhi maran, immediately on coming to power in 2004 in indian central govt. released a stamp of his father the 'great' murasoli maran!

These politicians promote the interests of their own family,community at tax payers expenses. and if questioned they abuse us as 'paarpans' and 'avaals'!
they probably do not know that the tax payers money includes brahmin money also!

 

[spice11]

The present TN CM has 2 wives and coming out with them in public functions. Is it legal for the government head to occupy the post ? I think that on this point he is dis-qualified to become CM?
Any thoughts about this?

 

[NARAS]

HI! I think the legal position is that you can have as many wives as you wish as long as no wife lodges a compliant against you with police or courts. even then i think the wife can utmost get a divorce. The husband can always blame the wife by casting aspersions on her character. that is why many women do not go to police or court against these erring husbands and try to resolve the matter amicably in private.

In the case of Mr. Muttuvelan Karunanidhi, he is definitely exploiting this loophole. Why should any of his wives go to police against him when he has so much of money? they will remain with him tiil his end. they flirt with him in rotation in public so that in future they can claim that they are the heirs of the Karunanidhi's political, financial empire. Tamil culture is certainly against bigamy. even the dmk clamours for one god ,one race. but it seems there is no need for one wife only. its a different matter if a wife expires and a husband marries another. but to have 4 wives in tandem! anyway it is his personal matter.​

it is not because of this , but because of his administrative spinelessness that he is disqualifed as a chief minister. he takes decisions only to withdraw them under pressure immediately. like the recent satellite city issue.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - I strongly condemn the T.Nadu CM Mr. Muttuvel Karunanidhi for trying to install a statue of his nephew, the late thyagaraj sundaram (better known as Murasoli Maran) out of tax payers money in parliament. Is the maran a freedom fighter, patriot or a great contributor to indian development? nothing! if Mr Muttuvelan wants , he can install the statue of all his relatives out of his own money in his party offices. Please do not waste public money and pollute parliament by installing statues of your cronies.

Mr. Muttuvelar has appointed many of his cronies in various posts in temples all over t.nadu. just like a man affected by high fever vomits regularly, Mr. Muttvelar has been vomitting the names of his cohorts for various temple assignments daily. why should persons who have no knowledge of hindu laws, customs be appointed in temples? is it to loot the money, property of the temples? God should punish these bigots soon.

 

[NARAS]

SIR - i request the indian government to establish a censor board exclusively for satellite channels. in particular serials in jaya tv like roja and kalki are full of vulgar and nauseating dialogues. why is jayalalitha the self styled champion of world tamils keeping quiet on this?

 

[NARAS]

SIR - I request brahmins all overthe world not to read or support THE HINDU, JUNIOR VIKATAN, KALKI and its likes.Though these are all journals owned by brahmins they are propagating the vomits of the periar and the Muthuvelar. Supporting these journals would boost anti brahmin, anti national forces all over india.

Mr. Cho, editor of Thuglak says he will call the karunanidhi as Kalaignar hereafter as a mark of respect to the old man! Why this special respect for the Muthuvelar alone? Is it respect or fear? Has Mr. Cho lost his sting, bite and courage somewhat because of old age?

The Muthuvelar govt. is trying to auction archakas posts in brahmin temples to international public. Temples are not laboratories for the Muthuvelar to conduct his dravidian experiments. Temples are not lavatories for him to discharge his unwanted filth. He should try to improve the basic amenities in the state instead of concentrating on trifles and trivials.