How to arrest the slide in TB numbers

[Vaidyshy]

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Kerala Govt. Has preserved an agraharam as a heritage value and has given an official status as a manument. Can you think of such move by the TN Govt. Where Dravidan culture has driven away the Aryan culture and rejoice on that heroic achievement. When Congress was ruling the State, a bizarre incident happened on the banks of teppekulam of Trichy where brahmins tuft was cut and his sacred thread was torn on a Tharpanam day.The sastrigal who came to administer tharpanam ran away saying if my tuft was cut I could not do upadhyayam for months and cannot earn my livelihood.The kartha could not do anything but he also ran away saving his sacred thread. But one Shri Srinivasa sastrigal of Radhamangalam, took one of the assailants by his neck and tore his cheek with his dharbai kattu and he sped away. None questioned the hooliganism of the then DK who thrived in money making rather than doing social transformation exploiting the anti sentiments of non brahmins.
All said and done, I shall vote only to a party who protects the rights and dignity of brahmin community as a whole with a sense of belonging.

 

[auh]

Culture is fine! But one has to use the wisdom when we are allowing boys & girls to freely interact..Get the girls married fast..Do not depend on the girls income!

Now that bit of advice is very general and not at all applicable in this case. How fast is fast enough? Let us not regress with the community mindset. When a girl loves from another caste, it does not always mean that the parents are dependent on her for survival or for finance. There is no way parents can stop what goes in the hearts of children. It is the individual's responsibility. Let us all understand and accept this first.

I just saw the horrific cctv footage from Udumalpettai where a dalit was hacked to death in the name of caste. This is because he loved and married a woman from another caste (it seems). The poor girl is also grievously wounded. This is the only difference between Bs and NBs - Non Brahmins practice extreme physical violence and Brahmins practice extreme intellectual violence.

 

[krish44]

Intellectual violence?Do you mean arrogance?

Perhaps some take upon themselves the right to decide lives - whom to marry etc for children belonging to present generation based on outdated beliefs and practices

and call it tradition.

Nothing can be more damaging than this.

When will parents learn to get off the backs of their children specially girls and let them decide ' using their own wisdom ?

Instead of polishing social skills of boys , there is no sense in foisting these on educated working girls ,

Such marriages can be disasters.

 

[krish44]

Kerala Govt. Has preserved an agraharam as a heritage value and has given an official status as a manument. Can you think of such move by the TN Govt. Where Dravidan culture has driven away the Aryan culture and rejoice on that heroic achievement. When Congress was ruling the State, a bizarre incident happened on the banks of teppekulam of Trichy where brahmins tuft was cut and his sacred thread was torn on a Tharpanam day.The sastrigal who came to administer tharpanam ran away saying if my tuft was cut I could not do upadhyayam for months and cannot earn my livelihood.The kartha could not do anything but he also ran away saving his sacred thread. But one Shri Srinivasa sastrigal of Radhamangalam, took one of the assailants by his neck and tore his cheek with his dharbai kattu and he sped away. None questioned the hooliganism of the then DK who thrived in money making rather than doing social transformation exploiting the anti sentiments of non brahmins.
All said and done, I shall vote only to a party who protects the rights and dignity of brahmin community as a whole with a sense of belonging.

You could vote for a party which promises gender equality and gender justice. These are more important for women.

Brahmins have sufficient survivor skills .

They have nine lives

 

[zebra16]

I just saw the horrific cctv footage from Udumalpettai where a dalit was hacked to death in the name of caste. This is because he loved and married a woman from another caste (it seems). The poor girl is also grievously wounded. This is the only difference between Bs and NBs - Non Brahmins practice extreme physical violence and Brahmins practice extreme intellectual violence.

Is this not a case of reinforcing a "bias" with an incidence, just because the incidence appears to be dramatic or melodramatic or tragic?

At the start of this thread, Sri Vgane gave a statistics of approximately 26% of marriages being inter-caste or inter-religious. 26% of even 1 million (which I should concede is lesser than the most conservative estimate possible) of marriages that take place every year, would be 260000. Is one incidence of violence in that 260000 cases makes it justifiable to brand the entire community as violence prone?

Can you give a couple of examples of "intellectual violence" perpetrated by Brahmins please?

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

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I just saw the horrific cctv footage from Udumalpettai where a dalit was hacked to death in the name of caste. This is because he loved and married a woman from another caste (it seems). The poor girl is also grievously wounded. This is the only difference between Bs and NBs - Non Brahmins practice extreme physical violence and Brahmins practice extreme intellectual violence.

While this was a breaking news in channels I saw this movie of Prakash Raj அபியும் நானும் in Kalingnar TV Most of the TB parents would have identied with Prkash Raj in every frame of this movie!

 

[Vaidyshy]

Whether brahmin girls practice intellectual violence or intentional escapism avoiding brahmin boys, fact remains unmarried population of well settled brahmin boys is on the increase.To this extent the brahmin leneage is cut short by that category of brahmin girls marrying a non-brahmin under the pretext of Love Marriage. I don't question the emotional aspect of love; but I am averse to the sufferings of those girls post marriage. Even Iyengar &Iyer combination doesn't work smoothly post marriage due to their customs misfit, how a brahmin girl can manage and accommodate the customs of a non brahmin. Most parents suffer this consequences, but are sitting dumb and weeping inside. In any extreme situation brahmin couples won't give up for which our parents stand testimony to my perception. May be exception to this perception, but if it is so, it is so.

 

[auh]

Is this not a case of reinforcing a "bias" with an incidence, just because the incidence appears to be dramatic or melodramatic or tragic?

At the start of this thread, Sri Vgane gave a statistics of approximately 26% of marriages being inter-caste or inter-religious. 26% of even 1 million (which I should concede is lesser than the most conservative estimate possible) of marriages that take place every year, would be 260000. Is one incidence of violence in that 260000 cases makes it justifiable to brand the entire community as violence prone?

I think you misunderstood the inference. The case in question is between a dalit and another NB; most of the intercaste marriages between dalits and other backward castes are filled with vehemence and hate. It is rare that a couple can survive the onslaught of their own near and dear who feel "shamed" due to the tresspassing in their caste.

Only one tumour appears in a human body and it is quite small as a % when compared to the entire surface area of the same body. Could we just ignore it and say that it does not affect it at all? Casteist extremism is a malignant tumour and it will spread it unchecked. I doubt if we could argue on the base of statistics here.

Can you give a couple of examples of "intellectual violence" perpetrated by Brahmins please?

The inculcation (or feeling) that brahmins are superior by birth and are somehow entitled to a greater social status is by itself an obvious example of intellectual violence. Brahmins do not (in most cases) resort to force, but feed on the mind and psyche of a person and damage the self-esteem of individuals.

 

[auh]

The art of killing a person's mind without resorting to physical means is intellectual violence.

 

[renuka]

The art of killing a person's mind without resorting to physical means is intellectual violence.

I am not linking intellectual violence with any particular community but intellectual violence is very damaging.

In physical violence the victim could die..but in intellectual violence the victim can become a living dead.

It involves breaking down the mental strength of another person by silently and passively programming a person to think he is not worth it..lesser in existence and just not meant to be...and even if the person is capable and intelligent..he is made to believe that he actually does not deserve it and might not be able to put his intelligence to good news becos he is not supposed to have it.

This is commonly seen in racists and jealous individuals.

I have seen many such individuals in my life.

 

[Vaidyshy]

All my comments are within the subject of the matter inTBF. Of course individuals make a community but their emotions and reactions are individual in nature, may or may not bind the community. English knowing people may use some jargons and it may induce a social cause in a secular state. My motto is that brahmins altogether had an identity in the past, are having an identity today and will have an identity in future in spite of their dwindling numbers. Exceptions cannot be rule and it cannot destroy the values associated with brahmins. Simple example is that the house owners in the city irrespective of their caste say "non brahmins excuse". I don't agree brahmins as a whole deviated from their values; they are still in an exalted position on a macro analysis. Ignore individual exceptions and let us not magnify an error.It is my wish that TBF MAKE RULES TO ARREST BRAMIN GIRLS EXODUS AND MAKE IT MANDATORY TO SWAER TO THIS FORUM WITH A FREE WILL.THIS TAG WILL HELP THEM TO GIVE THEIR DAUGHTER IN MARRIAGE TO A SON OF PARENTS FROM BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO ARE MANY WITHOUT ANY CONDITONS SUBJECT TO GIRL AND BOY MUTUALLY LIKES AND THEIR HEARTS SPEAK AND HE OR SHE FEEL,HE OR SHE IS HIS OR HER. THE GIRLS OF BRAHMIN COMMUNITY ARE HAVING AN INNATE INTUITION TO DECIDE RATHER THAN BOYS. IN AUTO I SAW A QUOTE "MARRY A PERSON WHO LOVES YOU THAN WHOM YOU LOVE." LOVE THAT EMANATES FROM HEART CONSUMATES, IS TRUE ALL THE TIME. MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO MATERIALISE THIS FACTOR, OH ! OUR BOYS AND GIRLS.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Some may fail to understand as to how can this alleged intellectual violent section/group can be termed as very dangerous?

If that is the case, one may wonder as to why this group/section failed to protect itself when there was ethnic cleaning/genocide of pundits at Kashmir?

It is reported that they were kicked out of their homes, their properties and temples were burnt down, their women were raped, their children were beaten up, they were shot down in cold blood.

 

[renuka]

"MARRY A PERSON WHO LOVES YOU THAN WHOM YOU LOVE."

Lets see if this is possible.

Just say A land B love each other and C loves A...but A does not love C.

That means A should marry C and not B.

But if one follow the quote that MARRY A PERSON WHO LOVES YOU THAN WHOM YOU LOVE...that means C should not marry A too cos C loves A and A does not love C.

Therefore technically A or B cant marry and neither can C and A marry..so everyone would have to remain unmarried!LOL

This quote therefore is not logical.

 

[sravna]

Lets see if this is possible.

Just say A land B love each other and C loves A...but A does not love C.

That means A should marry C and not B.

But if one follow the quote that MARRY A PERSON WHO LOVES YOU THAN WHOM YOU LOVE...that means C should not marry A too cos C loves A and A does not love C.

Therefore technically A or B cant marry and neither can C and A marry..so everyone would have to remain unmarried!LOL

This quote therefore is not logical.

Dear Renuka,

This is what logic can do to you.

Let us now in the spirit of spirituality try to find the hidden meaning.

what does marrying the person who loves you than the person whom you love mean?

It effectively means

love the person who loves you than the person whom you love

So if A and B love each other then A loves B and so it is a negative But B loves A and so it is a greater positive and so A and b are eligible to marry

Consider A and C. C loves A which is a positive and A does not love C. Doesn't matter because C loves A. So A and C are eligible to marry

So A actually has two options and can choose either B or C

See what spirituality can do for you?

 

[krish44]

All my comments are within the subject of the matter inTBF. Of course individuals make a community but their emotions and reactions are individual in nature, may or may not bind the community. English knowing people may use some jargons and it may induce a social cause in a secular state. My motto is that brahmins altogether had an identity in the past, are having an identity today and will have an identity in future in spite of their dwindling numbers. Exceptions cannot be rule and it cannot destroy the values associated with brahmins. Simple example is that the house owners in the city irrespective of their caste say "non brahmins excuse". I don't agree brahmins as a whole deviated from their values; they are still in an exalted position on a macro analysis. Ignore individual exceptions and let us not magnify an error.It is my wish that TBF MAKE RULES TO ARREST BRAMIN GIRLS EXODUS AND MAKE IT MANDATORY TO SWAER TO THIS FORUM WITH A FREE WILL.THIS TAG WILL HELP THEM TO GIVE THEIR DAUGHTER IN MARRIAGE TO A SON OF PARENTS FROM BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO ARE MANY WITHOUT ANY CONDITONS SUBJECT TO GIRL AND BOY MUTUALLY LIKES AND THEIR HEARTS SPEAK AND HE OR SHE FEEL,HE OR SHE IS HIS OR HER. THE GIRLS OF BRAHMIN COMMUNITY ARE HAVING AN INNATE INTUITION TO DECIDE RATHER THAN BOYS. IN AUTO I SAW A QUOTE "MARRY A PERSON WHO LOVES YOU THAN WHOM YOU LOVE." LOVE THAT EMANATES FROM HEART CONSUMATES, IS TRUE ALL THE TIME. MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO MATERIALISE THIS FACTOR, OH ! OUR BOYS AND GIRLS.

My suggestion

TB girls , marry whom you love . forget caste.Brahmin parents are too satvik to do anything violent.

TB boys, marry what you can get from brahmin community if possible as alternative is staying single in life

 

[tbs]

hi

anyway TB gals prefer more NBs than AMBIS...its going happen more....we like it or not...BUT LIKE TO SAY....be careful in life...

புடிச்சாலும் புளியன் கொம்பை புடிச்சா சரி .....ambis can go with other gals..or prefer to single again....ambis has to change

a lot....already TB gals changed a lot....

 

[mskmoorthy]

Sorry for the diversion:
Posts #263, #264 discuss preferences among males and females ad how marriages should happen (at least that is what I understood). There is a mathematical definition of stable arrangement of marriages ( assuming all males and females have preferences ). Please look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_marriage_problem - This priniciple has far reaching applications to school assignments, room-mate assignments, serial kidney trasplants. Al Roth and Llyod Shapely won Nobel Prize in Economics in 2012 - http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/press.html Please see the video http://www.nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=1838

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

This is what logic can do to you.

Let us now in the spirit of spirituality try to find the hidden meaning.

what does marrying the person who loves you than the person whom you love mean?

It effectively means

love the person who loves you than the person whom you love

So if A and B love each other then A loves B and so it is a negative But B loves A and so it is a greater positive and so A and b are eligible to marry

Consider A and C. C loves A which is a positive and A does not love C. Doesn't matter because C loves A. So A and C are eligible to marry

So A actually has two options and can choose either B or C

See what spirituality can do for you?

Dear Sravna,

To put it bluntly..Its not easy for a woman to copulate with a male she does not desire.

 

[sravna]

Sorry for the diversion:
Posts #263, #264 discuss preferences among males and females ad how marriages should happen (at least that is what I understood). There is a mathematical definition of stable arrangement of marriages ( assuming all males and females have preferences ). Please look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_marriage_problem - This priniciple has far reaching applications to school assignments, room-mate assignments, serial kidney trasplants. Al Roth and Llyod Shapely won Nobel Prize in Economics in 2012 - http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2012/press.html Please see the video http://www.nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=1838

The stable marriage algorithm seems to be for equal number of men and women. In the case presented here I do not think there is a logical solution.

 

[biswa]

Very interesting: the mathematical formulation of the stable marriage problem. However it diverges from reality because it assumes that each individual has perfect information about all possible partners. In real life, people do local optimization than global optimization.

In other words, a matching is stable when there does not exist any match (A, B) by which both A and B are individually better off than they would be with the element to which they are currently matched.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

To put it bluntly..Its not easy for a woman to copulate with a male she does not desire.

But Renuka, desire can be developed and potentially anyone can be loved. You only have to work on your prejudices.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Brahmins have sufficient survivor skills .

They have nine lives

It is history that these poor Brahmins were beheaded by Arabian invaders, crucified in Goa by Portuguese inquisition, vilified by British missionaries and nobody can dispute this.

Starting a thread with a sole aim of protecting the community from getting reduced is fine but participation of BB group by contributing absurd and thus try to morally crucify the left out Brahmins in this Forum too by mention of words like intellectual violence, arrogance, etc should be disocuraged.

Let us accept the reality and move on.

Try to keep these Brahmin Bashers at Bay

 

[renuka]

But Renuka, desire can be developed and potentially anyone can be loved. You only have to work on your prejudices.

Yes...we can love anyone eventually but we cant copulate with them if there is no spark desire.

 

[Vaagmi]

My suggestion

TB girls , marry whom you love . forget caste.Brahmin parents are too satvik to do anything violent.

TB boys, marry what you can get from brahmin community if possible as alternative is staying single in life

My suggestion to brahmin boys:

TB boys, Whenever you come across a strupid old man who recommends expansively to TB girls and goads them on to marry any boy forgeting caste, take him aside and quietly give a quick punch and blacken his face.
Then just watch the fun of how he explains the swollen face. LOL.

This is just a general recommendation and not to harm any one in particular. LOL.

My suggestion to TB girls:

When a stupid old man comes and recommends IC marriage to you, take him aside and tell him to shut up and get lost. If you want to marry IC bridegroom, do it quietly and without the liberal advice from these lascivious oldies who keep dreaming lascivious dreams day and night.

 

[Vaagmi]

Yes...we can love anyone eventually but we cant copulate with them if there is no spark desire.

These days people can buy even that with a peg or two of strong vodka and one or two pills called viagra. LOL.