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How to arrest the slide in TB numbers

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tbs said:
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women education may be good...not a professional woman....THE PROBLEM IS WOMEN USED TO BE SUPPLEMENT TO THE FAMILY...

NOW A DAYS.....A WORKINGS WOMAN IS REPLACING THE HUSBAND....means not supplementing ..instead due to economical

independence very harmful for the family...may be harmful for the community....sometimes for the country too...
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Actually the financial independence of a woman is beneficial to a family becos there are 2 earning members..so if one drops dead..the other one is alive to support the family..so the need of depending on extended family does not arise..future of children too is secure.

That which is beneficial to the family..is always beneficial to the community/nation/world.

Financial independence of a woman is ONLY harmful to the fragile egos of some males!LOL
 
renuka said:
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Sravna..just imagine the plight of women and children if there are no female doctors and nurses?

Rural women need an improved health care system for maternal and child health care and they are more comfortable with female docs and nurses.

Just imagine if all doctors were male?

Even educated females prefer female doctors for their gynaecology needs.

Teaching profession too is better handled by female teachers especially pre school cos children are more relaxed with a mother like figure.
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Dear Renuka,

As a service it is fine. But as a way to independence I do not think it is the right way. I believe it is more detrimental than helpful to women and society
 
As women become more equal to men , alarm bells ring to bring out the worst in men.

There can be no true liberation of women without economic independance.

A liberal society is mark of 21st century civilisation.

India was known to be a country ages ago where women did enjoy some rights.

Now it appears a far dream.

Whenever any woman tries for genuine equality in right to education , work space or worship they get put down harshly.

Some women fight and succeed in getting what they want. Others silently bear the atrocities.

Some in this forum silently vanish if such topics are discussed instead of standing up for themselves.
 
renuka said:
Actually the financial independence of a woman is beneficial to a family becos there are 2 earning members..so if one drops dead..the other one is alive to support the family..so the need of depending on extended family does not arise..future of children too is secure.

That which is beneficial to the family..is always beneficial to the community/nation/world.

Financial independence of a woman is ONLY harmful to the fragile egos of some males!LOL
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hi

if died ONLY beneficial.....NOT IN LIVE.....ITS UR OWN WORD.....LOL
 
sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

As a service it is fine. But as a way to independence I do not think it is the right way. I believe it is more detrimental than helpful to women and society
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Dear Sravna,

I am actually surprised to read this.

Independence is the fundamental right of each entity in this world..including animals.

Per Advaita itself we humans are fundamentally independent and not bound.


We women work hard too to help out our families..we never think of our independence in any way actually..when we work we think of helping out husband and family.

We never make rules for men to run their lives but men seem always wanting to make rules for women.

We think of future of family and also to ease the burden of husband when it comes to finance.

I can safely say I love my independent mind..love my independent ability to work to provide for my family.

Its my fundamental right as a human being to be independent.
 
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tbs said:
hi

if died ONLY beneficial.....NOT IN LIVE.....ITS UR OWN WORD.....LOL
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Its important for after life too..cos just say a man dies and his wife is too poor to even do Shraadam for him..so he would be stuck in hell..if she has a job and money she can do Shraadam to bail him out of hell!LOL
 
renuka said:
Its important for after life too..cos just say a man dies and his wife is too poor to even do Shraadam for him..so he would be stuck in hell..if she has a job and money she can do Shraadam to bail him out of hell!LOL
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hi

im not against women education...it helps family/nation/world....i dont want taliban like to women....but now a days....

many family set up are destroying....many divorces are increasing due to professional working women...
 
BTW shouldn't males feel happier that their wives too can earn and help out? Instead of being the sole bread winner?

I know a doctor who divorced his not so highly educated wife and married another doc cos he said he wanted to have a partner equal to him in every way. Apparently his not so highly educated wife was always spending all his money to show off to others!
So an equal earning wife would be spending her own money!LOL
 
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tbs said:
hi

im not against women education...it helps family/nation/world....i dont want taliban like to women....but now a days....

many family set up are destroying....many divorces are increasing due to professional working women...
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Its not becos of professional women that divorces are happening.

Its just that the mind set of some males are stuck in eras that would need carbon dating to obtain some data!LOL
 
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krish44 said:
They want chivalrous men to fight their wars. They live in a dream romantic world of their own.lol
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Dear Krish ji,

Romance is nice..tell me which woman does not want to be swept off her feet?

I am a sucker for romance..I love romance but I might not like love as much.

Romance is being playful..romance does not need any commitment.

Romance is like Marijuana/Soma etc..it makes you high and you live in a fantasy.

Love on the other hand is hard work..requires commitment and dedication.

Yes..surely the chivalrous male is the desire of any woman..these are the types that help you carry your bags at the airport when you travel alone..these are the types that hold the door for you and smile at you(mostly the Caucasian male tends to be very helpful at airports and smile so easily)

See life is so much better when we have chivalrous males.
 
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renuka said:
Dear Krish ji,

Romance is nice..tell me which woman does not want to be swept off her feet?

I am a sucker for romance..I love romance but I might not like love as much.

Romance is being playful..romance does not need any commitment.

Romance is like Marijuana/Soma etc..it makes you high and you live in a fantasy.

Love on the other hand is hard work..requires commitment and dedication.

Yes..surely the chivalrous male is the desire of any woman..these are the types that help you carry your bags at the airport when you travel alone..these are the types that hold the door for you and smile at you(mostly the Caucasian male tends to be very helpful at airports and smile so easily)

See life is so much better when we have chivalrous males.
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hi

just making innocent men as BEVAKOOF.....means fool....
 
prasad1 said:
I know that I am supposed to agree with the majority, but i find it difficult.
Let us take the paragraph from post number 112, replace few words and see how racist it sounds.

2. The brahmin(white) community (birth based brahmins(white) is talked about here as that is the only recognizable group) is certainly unique in that its culture, its traditions, its value system and belief system are distinct. They have consistently contributed to the society with a disproportionately large number of individuals from their stock/communit. Name any field-art, literature, business, language, pollitics, you have brahmins(white) who have done well and the society can not ignore their contribution. I do not have to list these contributions elaborately as the ,members here may do that as the discussion progresses. Having contributed to the society in India(USA), now they are contributing even in foreign countries which has become an envy of other communities. I know when i say this some members here will dispute every statement I have made here and would call names-that I am a chauvinist, a retard etc.,. But in their heart of heart they would also know that I am speaking truth. When I say brahmin(white) community has contributed handsomely to the growth and welfare of this society in India(USA,and SA), i am not thumping my chest and it is not an expression of vainglory. It is a fact about which I feel proud. I also realise the need to preserve this unique capacity of my community to contribute to the society.

Let us take the same paragraph and change few words, and it reminds us of Hitler.

2. The brahmin(Aryan) community (birth based brahmins(Aryan) is talked about here as that is the only recognizable group) is certainly unique in that its culture, its traditions, its value system and belief system are distinct. They have consistently contributed to the society with a disproportionately large number of individuals from their stock/communit. Name any field-art, literature, business, language, pollitics, you have brahmins(Aryan) who have done well and the society can not ignore their contribution. I do not have to list these contributions elaborately as the ,members here may do that as the discussion progresses. Having contributed to the society in India(Germany), now they are contributing even in foreign countries which has become an envy of other communities. I know when i say this some members here will dispute every statement I have made here and would call names-that I am a chauvinist, a retard etc.,. But in their heart of heart they would also know that I am speaking truth. When I say brahmin(Aryan) community has contributed handsomely to the growth and welfare of this society in India(Germany), i am not thumping my chest and it is not an expression of vainglory. It is a fact about which I feel proud. I also realise the need to preserve this unique capacity of my community to contribute to the society.

You can not deny that Brahmins were a privileged class, and the effect still lingers. There is no guarantee that it will continue.
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I would have left this post unanswered . ButI have to reply to this post because by copy pasting (I do not have to say as usual ) a clever attempt has been made to make the brahmin community look like Hitlerite Nazis and South African Apartheid perpetrators. The truth is rather the reverse. Brahmins are treated in this country like the Jews were treated in Germany of Hitler and like blacks in SA under the racist regimes. And the members here know this truth and so I am not going to give examples. Enough to say that we are all victims of the reservation policy which is just another name for apartheid. We all suffer in public places the shame that the jews of Germany suffered. Only difference is that there are no blatant pogroms in India as yet. The days may not be far away. Just as the Jews were segregated from a crowd of citizens by looking at their special identification means (people know what were these), we will be asked to remove our shirts and on the basis of the poonool we may be segregated to be sent to a concentration camp. And some of us may even be sent straight to heaven or hell by filling the crowded van of transport with the exhaust fumes from the vehicle itself. Who knows what is in store. And our friend here is waxing eloquent with his definitions of what is culture. We are the sacrificial goats at the political altar of this majoritarian Indian society. A myth has been created that the mere less than 2% of the population has controlled and enjoyed the privileges of the society by the majoritarian middle castes and our copy pasting experts here would have nothing to say about that.The Jats of Haryana have already proved a point and the trend is scary. And here we have a friend (who calims he is a brahmin) who calls us all racist with his copy pasting skills. I thank our friend here for bringing to the notice of brahmins what all is possible for the majoritarian crowds.

Brahmins were a privileged-if at all it can be called a privilege- class not for nothing. They were privileged because they made sacrifices to remain educated and because they were repositories of knowledge which was useful for the society. While a kshatriya or a vyshya was busy chasing girls to fill his harems, the brahmin of ancient India went to the forest leaving his parents at home, to pursue education and knowledge. The society knew that and honoured them for that. And the society also had several abusive epithets to address brahmins with. He was always a பிச்சைக்கு வந்த பிராமணன். Even today he a poor "ambi" for many.

So it would be better for the member to stop his copy pasting adventures. In case he is unable to resist the temptation he should atleast spend some time reading his final product after finishing the "tough" and "exacting" task.

There is someone who is waiting impatiently to add a thumps down to this post. I do not want to test his/her/her patience any more. LOL.
 
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The Tamil Brahmin "culture" (and, by extension, the "brahmin culture" of India itself) pertains to a bygone era in which the social set-up itself was so geared as to support the supremacy of brahmins an almost every field of human activity except physical work, hard labour and earning livelihood through such (physical work, hard labour, etc.,) means. Education, in the sense of learning through Gurukulams was mostly confined to the three Dwija groups only and the Sudras, the fourth category within society, who formed a sizeable percentage if not the majority, were kept out of almost all religious activities and formal study. The role of women belonging to the three Dwija groups was that of second class (and inferior) beings. Girls were to be married off before they attained puberty and once married, the girl/woman became a housewife as ordained by society in those days. The wife's life and standing depended entirely on her husband being alive; widows were subjected to rather heartless treatment by the society.

The country (India) has changed especially after the decades since Independence and the kind of social set-up given in the above paragraph has vanished for ever! Whether it will return is a matter of conjecture or divination. In these circumstances, the way of living, cultural values, social outlook and almost every aspect of brahmins (that includes Tamil Brahmins as well) have also undergone sea-changes and we find our TB society of today as what it is. Increasing the numbers of TBs will not per se bring back the old set-up given in para 1 above; it will only help the community to chart out its course in larger numbers.

Some parents today may be lucky enough to brainwash their sons and daughters into believing that they, as TBs, are a gene-treasure of inestimable value, that all the Nithyaahnika Karmas (daily religious rites) of the father have immense occult or exotic values and meaning certified by our great Acharyas and sages and so on, and in this way make their offsprings to marry only within the TB community. But what works today need not work after 30 years and so nobody can guarantee that the next generation will accept such indoctrination and may rebel and marry any person from any continent.

In such a scenario, trying to pass on a few or many items as "Lakshanas" of TB culture will be a pure waste just as dissolving a little bit of salt in a fresh water lake, hoping to make all the water taste salty! Even otherwise, there are no specific acts or ways of living which can be called the exclusive brahmin trait or way of living.

Incidentally, there have been many austere brahmins down the pages of history who have driven away by brutal force, hungry non-brahmins from "panthi" (பந்தி) during marriage feasts and other similar occasions, The vedas are ready evidence for brahmins killing animals, taking out the entrails and offering their omentum in the sacrificial fires; the brahmins used to eat the sacrificed animal's meat as well. Hence, all talk about Sattvik nature of brahmins is all bunkum!
 
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While a kshatriya or a vyshya was busy chasing girls to fill his harems, the brahmin of ancient India went to the forest leaving his parents at home, to pursue education and knowledge.
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LOL one more missile from Vaagmiji
 
Dear Renuka,

A woman does not have to earn her independence. She should be granted it. My remark is also equally about men who will grant independence to women only when she earns. The outside world is rough and tough. I do not think women should be facing such pressures when they can use their acumen to help her family and society in a better way. I believe there should be no pressure on a woman to work. She is better suited to the supervisor of the home. Why be tussling like a man with other men at office when she can boss around her husband at home. But planning for home should be regarded as a very important duty by the society.
 
My summary of the discussion ( you may accept it or let it pass above your head!)

1. "Brahmandu bhojanap priyudu" A Telugu expression meaning

"Brahmins love to eat" has been established here without any doubts!

2. In the 21 st Century when women conquer the outer space, SOME MEN do not want their women to study and achieve anything useful in life, has been firmly established.

3. Some other men WILL allow their females to study a little (enough to sign on a paper after understanding what is written above) but not professional courses and seeking an employment is a vehement :nono:

4. To be considered a pure blooded brahmin, the woman must pound in an 'ural' the choicest condiments (wonder whether pounding paddy will also get included later!), wear a 9 yards sari, hide in the house or spend the entire day in preparing food using the prehistoric methods.

5. Women must become chameleons and change themselves to suit the situation as and when required.

6. Women must not read/ nor think / nor speak out their views/ not interfere with what their enlightened menfolk do.

Why some people disappear INSTEAD OF standing up for themselves will be explained by these six stifling statements given above.

I believe that "I think and So I am". Hence I leave this so that I can continue to think and be myself rather than become a pure blooded brahmin acceptable to these enlightened agmark Brahmins.

P.S (aka Parting Statement).

Mud is the right word but it is NOT in the blood it is right in the head! :(

Stagnant water breeds a million mosquitoes.

Change is an inevitable part of any form of life. Animals adapt so well and so do humans to survive successfully

What to change and what not to change must be decided using one's power of discretion and discrimination.

One must know the difference between what can be cured and what has to be endured - since it can't be cured.

We do not need any external threat to dwindle our dwindling population.

We ourselves are very well capable of achieving that without any help from the others!

The story of the sand held in the palm holds good to this situation also.

Squeeze the sand greedily and exert control over it hoping to keep all the sand in you hand , you will be left with nothing but the grains of sand stuck to your hand. Whatever had the freedom to move and escape would have already fallen away from your palm.

So much for contemplating and creating mindless stifling situations!
 
[SUP][/SUP]Advaita (not-two, "no second") refers to the idea that the Atman or the true Self

is the same as the highest Reality.

Does it not sound strange that The Atman which can be the same as the highest Reality

becomes superior when inside a Brahmin and inferior when inside a non brahmin??? :moony:
 
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