How to arrest the slide in TB numbers

[Vaidyshy]

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Who can define an ideal in these days, the Mutts, State Government or Central Ministry.? What is the difference between Women empowerment and Women's liberation, it is a catch 22 situation like " to marry ,one should not be a lunatic and if got married his/her lunatic pranks will go off" . If you empower women they liberate themselves and if you liberate women they empower themselves. The need OF THE HOUR is only enlightenment of of men folk to know the power house of women to enhance the life style in perfect rhythem.

 

[Vaidyshy]

One perception of Brahmin girl as compared to yester generations is-
Having suffered the financial crunch due to so many factors, and seeing her unemployed mother struggling with non understanding father prefers a life style of affluence oriented male , manly guy with her option to obey her in all stages of life irrespective of that guy's antecedents by caste, religion. IF SHE HAS A BRAHMIN GUY, HE WILL TAKE HER TO A TEMPLE BY BUS AND GO TO KAMATCHI BHAVAN FOR A TIFFIN OR LUNCH AND RETURN BY BUS AND ASK HER TO GET DOWN AT HER STOP AND HE WILL GET DOWN HIS WHEREAS A HEROIC NON BRAHMIN GUY WILL TAKE HER IN HIS LUXURY BIKE TO MAMALLAPURAM AND STAY, CHAT IN A DIM LIGHT ***RESTAURENT, AND RETURN HER TO THE DOOR STEP OF HIS FIANCEE BRAHMIN GIRL. Brahmin girls like heroic, caring and affluent guy.It is our Brahmin community which forced them to be wary of Brahmin boys. Every house which has brilliant, well educated and well settled brahmin boys suffer the antiques of present days brahmin girl.

 

[Vaagmi]

Krishji,
You are so right.
In addition to their usual rant, they do not understand the simple statements. At the beginning of my post I made it clear that I was borrowing the paragraph to edit it. I just changed few words. My altered paragraph was very much true in middle ages. Now Brahmins have lost that exalted states. Just as White in SA, and Nazi's in Germany have to accept the reality.
My post did not disparage the present day brahmins in any way. But some members still live in 14th century and in the mirage of "Brahmin Greatness".

The editing was crafty and with an agenda and that is the point. Let us go for a vote among the members of this forum as to what was understood reading your post by members. Please make a request to Praveen.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear VR Ji,

At least he is trying to preserve some part of his dharma...even a small attempt will save one from the gravest situation!

I am reminded of a verse from the Bhagavad Geeta...



nehābhikrama-nāśo 'sti
pratyavāyo na vidyate
svalpam apy asya dharmasya
trāyate mahato bhayāt


"In devotional service there is no loss or diminution, and even a small service rendered in devotional life is sufficient to save one from the greatest danger.

Dear Renu,
I fail to see how wearing a koupeenam will make a person more brahmin
than one wearing a brief under the Western suit!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Cho Ramaaswamy has written a Novel which later came as a TV Serial titled "Enge Brahmnan?" but there also he could not find a true Brahmnan ( true as per the traditional strict definition of Brahmnan )

CHO, like you, has not understood the present day Bs.

The present day Bs are not following Varnasrama Dharma. Now, it is a caste. The B caste has certain peculiar characteristics, which is unique to the caste. When it clashes with others, due to compulsion or otherwise, it is natural to expect conflicts of interests, like clashes of civilizations.

 

[Vaidyshy]

I totally agree mr.s.Vaidyaraman.! Follow our Paramacharyal advice for simple marriage without any question. People who thronged to have His Dharshan for blessings for marriage prospects of their son or daughter failed to adhere to His advices but put in the invitation "by the grace of Paramacharyal" in bold letters. Affluent people waste their finances on grand marriage and with their wasted money many young poor brahmin girls's marriage can be conducted. That is the best waste management over all. We brahmins are having double stanadard with outer wearing panchakacham and boasting of Acharyal's good dharshan, with inner having nothing but ego and pride. They must learn to be a good human being first and then transform themselves into a Brahmin.

 

[prasad1]

My comment from earlier post is still open.

What is Brahmin Culture?

Except the odd comment from Sravanaji, which way a jumbled words without meaning or specificity.

Sangomji , ahji, krishji, and others explained that there is nothing specific about Brahmins. There is no gene called Brahmin gene, or any specific behavior that is exclusive to Beahmins.

There have been great human beings without being born brahmin. I can name many such persons, but you might have others.
I also know of Brahmins who were are are crooks. I am sure you too know a few.

 

[renuka]

TB culture or not I would like to see the following values in practice in anybody:

1. Honest, truthful but not with a narrow vision
2. Sincere, committed but not thoughtless
3. Empathetic but not sentimental
4. Kind , generous but not gullible
5 Patient, humble, chaste

In summary practicing values and being pragmatic. In general, if a person can understand how to balance these two that is the best we can ask of him/her.

Members can throw a lot more light on the specifics.

Dear Sravna,

What you have enumerated is not a culture of any specific community....These are ideal human values for entire humanity.

In fact you just described the late Dr APJ Abdul Kalam and the late Nelson Mandela.

 

[sravna]

Dear Auh, Renuka,

Yes I want those values seen in everybody not just TBs

 

[krish44]

Returning to the subject of the thread, how to prevent a slide in TB numbers assuming , slide is worth arresting.

One way it is possible is by absorbing members from other castes -who satisfy criterion of education, job, vegetarianism, some belief in rituals and temple worship.

I find mudaliars, pillais close to brahmins .

Secondly, brahmin boys can marry young before they are 24-25 yrs. One is likely to get young girls educated just out of college or even final year. They can easily be

moulded to fit into families.

Next , the well off family boys with average education and career profiles can opt for girls from economically poor families with girls having average education.There

are so many available of this type.

There are so many children whose one parent is brahmin. If it is an educated girl , it is worth absorbing them in brahmin families.

Drop outs among boys can be given the choice to choose anyone they want without worrying too much about caste as their next generation may turn out to be better.

There is no harm also if their caste or religion gets changed in the process. It is for their good as brahmin community has nothing to offer them.

Parents as far as possible should not try to impose their choices on children. When children decide , they will be wise enough to select what is good for them. We can

only tell them it would be preferable if the mate is brahmin.This will reduce the number of divorces. Most divorces happen in first few years of marriage in india unlike

US.If the first few years are taken care off then there are hardly any break ups. There are only starting hiccups.

To facilitate marriage, we can do away with horoscope, star matches, dowry , status match, ostentatious marriages .These are easier said than done.

 

[Raji Ram]

I remember a doctor advising a patient this (Langouti) as remedy for Inguinal Hernia who was unfit for surgery! Does it help Doctor?

YES, J J Ji! My doc father had told us so!

And there existed a doctor who used the tear and wear since he felt it is better in many ways!! :thumb:

No need to worry about elastics and infections, right?

 

[biswa]

I am for women being independent and using their intellect. I am not saying that women should not work but in a way there is pleasure than being under pressure. Men are better suited for handling external pressure and I think women handle inner turmoil better.

Citation requested please. Or is it just a personal opinion?

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Auh,

My take:

TB culture or not I would like to see the following values in practice in anybody:

1. Honest, truthful but not with a narrow vision
2. Sincere, committed but not thoughtless
3. Empathetic but not sentimental
4. Kind , generous but not gullible
5 Patient, humble, chaste

In summary practicing values and being pragmatic. In general, if a person can understand how to balance these two that is the best we can ask of him/her.

Members can throw a lot more light on the specifics.

Dear Sravna Sir,

The list you have given above is common for other religions too, right?

TB culture was pictured very well in the drama 'thani kudiththanam', which was a hit in 70s.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Auh, Renuka,

Yes I want those values seen in everybody not just TBs

OMG! Then why worry to 'arrest' the slide in TB numbers?

 

[Raji Ram]

One sAstrigaL is educating his daughter and son in reputed engineering colleges. He is NOT keen in selecting a son in law from

some other sAstrigaLs family! He is also ready to accept a son in law, as long as he is a well established, handsome guy, who is a

teetotallar and vegetarian, if selected by his daughter. Moving with the times, right??

 

[renuka]

Returning to the subject of the thread, how to prevent a slide in TB numbers assuming , slide is worth arresting.

One way it is possible is by absorbing members from other castes -who satisfy criterion of education, job, vegetarianism, some belief in rituals and temple worship.

I find mudaliars, pillais close to brahmins .

Then you would find threads about "how to arrest the slide in mudaliars/pillais numbers"

 

[Raji Ram]

The typical brahmin culture is difficult to follow and gets adjusted in many ways with time. In another thread, a member

wants to know whether the religious rites for pitrus could be performed abroad or not, because Maha Periyava has said that

the rites are to be performed ONLY in our 'puNya bhoomi' and if not, pitrus will starve without piNdam and curse them! :sad:

So what do brahmins settled abroad do? Come to this puNya bhoomi every time OR forget the rites?

:focus: The ways to retain the number of TBs (of course born brahmins) is to educate all ambis so that they will earn pockets

full. And also encourage them to become 'macho's so as to attract the well educated modern TB girls! :hug:

 

[renuka]

OMG! Then why worry to 'arrest' the slide in TB numbers?

Dear RR ji,

Sravna has a universal outlook.

He is focused on cultivating human values for entire mankind.

Actually I feel Sravna is the ideal Brahmin even though I do not always agree with some of his views.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear RR ji,

Sravna has a universal outlook.

He is focused on cultivating human values for entire mankind.

Actually I feel Sravna is the ideal Brahmin even though I do not always agree with some of his views.

Dear Renu,

Agreed! And he has a 'prasanna vadanam' too! :thumb:

But if every one is virtuous, why worry about arresting the slide in TB number??

 

[sravna]

Citation requested please. Or is it just a personal opinion?

Dear Biswa,

It is a person opinion. I do not believe in giving scientifically correct opinions.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka, RRji

Thanks for the good words. But I also believe some would not like to choose the spiritual path and prefer the scientific route. I think that is perfectly fine. It is always good to follow natural inclinations.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu,

Agreed! And he has a 'prasanna vadanam' too! :thumb:

But if every one is virtuous, why worry about arresting the slide in TB number??

Yes...RR ji..Sravna is handsome too.

Sravna is mainly concerned about the decline in Dharma for entire humanity.

Actually that is ideal thinking..cos even in the Geeta..Lord Krishna says Parithranaaya Sadhunaam....He did not mention only one caste or creed.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka, RRji

Thanks for the good words. But I also believe some would not like to choose the spiritual path and prefer the scientific route. I think that is perfectly fine. It is always good to follow natural inclinations.

Dear Sravna,

Does one always have to make a clear distinction between science and spirituality?

Why have dual vision?

One should see everything thru the prism of wisdom which refracts into different shades of understanding yet realize everything is from a single source.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Does one always have to make a clear distinction between science and spirituality?

Why have dual vision?

One should see everything thru the prism of wisdom which refracts into different shades of understanding yet realize everything is from a single source.

You are right Renuka but the methods are different and how knowledge is accepted is different though as you say the truth is one.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

I totally agree mr.s.Vaidyaraman.! Follow our Paramacharyal advice for simple marriage without any question. People who thronged to have His Dharshan for blessings for marriage prospects of their son or daughter failed to adhere to His advices but put in the invitation "by the grace of Paramacharyal" in bold letters. Affluent people waste their finances on grand marriage and with their wasted money many young poor brahmin girls's marriage can be conducted. That is the best waste management over all. We brahmins are having double stanadard with outer wearing panchakacham and boasting of Acharyal's good dharshan, with inner having nothing but ego and pride. They must learn to be a good human being first and then transform themselves into a Brahmin.

Don't you know about simple marriage before Paramacharya's advice? Simplicity is a fluid terminology, which has different forms. Interestingly, of the two popular and lavish marriages in Tamil Nadu, one happened to be from B side.

It will always be very helpful if we think logically and practically, instead of following blindly. Paramacharya himself was not sure about the system to be followed. He was sporting Thiruneeru throughout his life, but discussing elaborately about Godmen Rama and Krishna and gave equal importance to them with Lord Shiva, which is incidentally debatable.