Indesent Dressing by Girls

[sarang]

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The planner is a bigger culprit than the paid assassin. How to make one emotionally drained?

In industrial problem solving we are asked to find the root cause.

Now you have a difficult problem to solve.

Punishment like: 'Cut off the part that committed the crime!'

 

[renuka]

Gouge the eyes out for visual violation and vocal cords/tongue for verbal violation and legs for following. perhaps knock out the teeth for smiling.

That is why sharad yadhav of janata dal objected to inclusion of 'following' and 'staring' from the list of punishable activities; how can one woo and win a girl if these two are forbidden, worse defined as criminal acts.

Dear Sarang ji,


Whatever it is any law should have certain guidelines so that it is not exploited by others and an innocent person lands up being punished.

Disfiguring a person for a crime committed will only burden the nation..so chemical castration is a safer bet in cases of rape without murder.

For those who had caused rape which lead to death...the death sentence should be mandatory.

 

[prasad1]

Dear Sir,

I agree with what you wrote but the take home message for the day is "Saint or Slut...if a man wants to make contact with a woman he better have her CONSENT"

I do not know what part of "NO" these men do not understand.
Of course they do not believe in women rights.

 

[renuka]

I hope this will give a clearer picture about a mind of a rapist:

Rapists not mentally ill, but criminals who feel they can get away, experts feel - Times Of India

Dr Sunil Mittal from the Delhi Psychiatry Centre said rapists are perverts who revel in the fact that they get away with it. "Thrill for them is violence and aggression along with sex. He feels powerful with sexual assault,'' said Dr Mittal. He added rapists are possibly people who cannot have a normal sexual relationship. "He cannot make any intellectual contribution to a relationship, choosing sexual aggression instead,'' he added.
Dr B N Gangadhar, professor of psychiatry from NIMHANS, Bangalore, told TOI he is against using psychological or sociological labels for rapists. "There is nothing psychiatric about a rapist. In fact, a person with a psychiatric illness will never commit a rape. It is clearly a criminal mind that has decided to gratify oneself despite the norms of society.''

 

[prasad1]

Dear Sir,

Not only men but even some women in India think the same and these women back up the men by saying bad things about rape victims.

We Indians wherever we are need to admit that most of us come with a "Holier than Thou" attitude and anything so called "unholy" needs to be treated without respect.

First and foremost the government should get rid of the word Eve Teasing...that is too light a word...it does not carry the weight of sexual harassment.

Eve teasing sounds too Kosher!

Renukaji,

Not only men but even some women in India think the same and these women back up the men by saying bad things about rape victims.

Most of the women suffer from stockholm syndrome. They start to think like the men, because they are so scared of their father or husbands. These lecherous males do not see the soul of women but just the body. The treat women as sex objects.
Because mothers do not inculcate the sons to respect another soul (women), they keep perpetuating crime against women. Some of the upstanding men do not see what is happening to the women folks. It is sad.

 

[P.J.]

Punishment like: 'Cut off the part that committed the crime!'

Raji Madam


That should be the best possible punishment !!

 

[tks]

tks Sir

Scanty and revealing dress who ever wears , not necessarily Islamic women, is only inviting trouble for herself.

Dear All

The assumptions underlying the above statement is incorrect and not supported by facts gathered by those who are in crime investigation and crime prevention all their life.

There was a documentary made in 1980s that teaches how to be not a victim of a violent crime (like rape). If I can find a link to that documentary I will post that for the benefit of all.

A person who has spent his whole life in crime investigation (more than one thousand murders and large number of rape cases) as a head of Police unit has many useful advice in that documentary. Let me share one such advice.

A criminal acts of out of instincts and *selects their victim*. Unless it is a premeditated rape/murder the selection is always instinctive and they go after the one that offers an opportunity. An important advice therefore is not to be 'selected' to play victim.

A house which has an appearance of a home security system or a presence of a killer dog (perhaps a dog bowl outside) is highly less likely to be burglarized even if the homeowner does not have a dog or a centralized home security system. It is all about perception of vulnerability.

Even in animal kingdom the predator goes after the weakest animal that has strayed a bit from the crowd and certainly not the one that runs the fastest.

Wearing 'revealing dress' (which itself is a subjective item) is rarely relevant in assessing the opportunity for a predator. The rapist does not always select the most attractive member - they choose their victim if the victim find themselves in a vulnerable situation. Recently there was a case of a 85 year old woman raped by a teen because she happened to be vulnerable.

These criminals do not go around looking for those who wear the most "revealing clothing" and then awards their selection by trying to rape them. Instead anyone who finds themselves in a bad situation (like taking a shortcut through less crowded streets at night) are made to play the victim.

Let me summarize:

1. Rape is a violent act of serious aggression and not a sensual act. It is about someone who wants to assert power over another person who is weak.

2. Victims are selected by their situational vulnerability - the advice is to take precautions so as to be NOT selected.

To be not selected does not mean one has to be very strong - it means one has to take common sense precautions so that there are no obvious vulnerabilities apparent to a criminal.

It has nothing to do with what one wears or how 'attractive or ugly' one may seem (contrary to what is 'taught' in silly Indian movies)

 

[prasad1]

Dear All

The assumptions underlying the above statement is incorrect and not supported by facts gathered by those who are in crime investigation and crime prevention all their life.

There was a documentary made in 1980s that teaches how to be not a victim of a violent crime (like rape). If I can find a link to that documentary I will post that for the benefit of all.

A person who has spent his whole life in crime investigation (more than one thousand murders and large number of rape cases) as a head of Police unit has many useful advice in that documentary. Let me share one such advice.

A criminal acts of out of instincts and *selects their victim*. Unless it is a premeditated rape/murder the selection is always instinctive and they go after the one that offers an opportunity. An important advice therefore is not to be 'selected' to play victim.

A house which has an appearance of a home security system or a presence of a killer dog (perhaps a dog bowl outside) is highly less likely to be burglarized even if the homeowner does not have a dog or a centralized home security system. It is all about perception of vulnerability.

Even in animal kingdom the predator goes after the weakest animal that has strayed a bit from the crowd and certainly not the one that runs the fastest.

Wearing 'revealing dress' (which itself is a subjective item) is rarely relevant in assessing the opportunity for a predator. The rapist does not always select the most attractive member - they choose their victim if the victim find themselves in a vulnerable situation. Recently there was a case of a 85 year old woman raped by a teen because she happened to be vulnerable.

These criminals do not go around looking for those who wear the most "revealing clothing" and then awards their selection by trying to rape them. Instead anyone who finds themselves in a bad situation (like taking a shortcut through less crowded streets at night) are made to play the victim.

Let me summarize:

1. Rape is a violent act of serious aggression and not a sensual act. It is about someone who wants to assert power over another person who is weak.

2. Victims are selected by their situational vulnerability - the advice is to take precautions so as to be NOT selected.

To be not selected does not mean one has to be very strong - it means one has to take common sense precautions so that there are no obvious vulnerabilities apparent to a criminal.

It has nothing to do with what one wears or how 'attractive or ugly' one may seem (contrary to what is 'taught' in silly Indian movies)

Wonderful, professional opinion instead of half baked ideas.
Thank you.

 

[C RAVI]

All I can say is many in forum fail to understand the psychology of a rapist.

It is much more complex than we can even think.

As long we keep blaming women..the problem of rape will never end.

Who is placing all the blames only on Women? Please clarify who is placing all the blames on women and in what form.

Government and Law and order will continue to break the head to find out the root cause of rape incidents. There will be many many reasons behind raping a girl.

As Palindrom has rightly said, Yes, there are many idiotic mothers, idiotic fathers, idiotic sons and idiotic daughters and they are wide spread across the corners of India. Man power/domination, revenge, just to spoil the reputation and self dignity of a girl on behalf of one self and or on behalf of others etc..etc are many such reasons other than real lust.

Who is denying that?

The point is why to appear sexy, revealing the assets, wearing awkwardly and pose an another reason for sexual crime?

The thread topic is about one of the many reasons behind rape incidents. And that, wearing sexy and revealing costumes do attract such rape crimes. It instigates lots of hidden psychological mess up in many indiscipline men with impurity in mind, the mind which is already burdened with Male domination/male chauvinism, idiotic ideas due to wrong upbringing of idiotic mothers, distress, anxiety, frustrations etc..etc and leads to rape incidents.

Many Men drink to the core to lose their consciousness. They want this to have the experiences of different floating world without any restrictions. Having drunk to achieve that and having lost one self from the fear of law or order, with all the premeditated sexual fantasies go and rape any females from the age of 3 to 80. Either they do all alone or form a team with like minded men and indulge in Gang Rapes, no matter how women wear dress! Even if women be in burkha like staunch Muslims, these men would do what they did, what they are doing and what they gonna probably do, no matter how tough is the law and order.

But, as civilized humans in the civilized society we do have some responsibilities to not to facilitate kindling of sexual urge in already psychologically detailed Men. As well, it is only prudent to safeguard one self from being attacked rather intellectually talking what is her rights, what is the truth behind such men indulging in sex crimes, how should they be punished and breaking head as how to remove impurity in minds of such Men.

Thus, it is always better for the girls to adopt modest dressing sense.

If a husband truly wants his wife to always wear sexy dress, like mini skirts, exposing tops etc..etc and to always look beautiful with all her femininity, no matter if its in private or in public, can he be safe and keep his wife safe from such psychologically messed up and derailed men in a society in India?

One member said that, if minds are freed from impurity than actions would be all right!! Who is denying this? Are we just talking about human psychology and the remedies?

The point is how you gonna achieve this in a densely populated, poor and corrupted India??

How many of you gonna take risk in the name of women liberty, rights etc living in such an Indian Society, unmindful of the fact that Men raping Women creates lots of issues to women and there is nothing called Women raping Men as a revenge. Women can only get rapists legally punished and or kill him. But what ever she does in return she ends up bearing physical and emotional pains, other than what the rapist undergoes. The rapist as a doer may be mentally ready to accept the consequences BUT why a woman should become a victim and bear the consequences of Rape?

Think!!

 

[prasad1]

It is obvious that people do not read, or read and interpret the way that is convenient to them.
Please read TKS post#82 again.
Rape is not because of the way women is dressed, it is crime of opportunity.
How women's dress matter when 82 year old grand ma, and 4 year old babies are raped.
How about rape at home, or of women clad in Burka?

So give up on this advice that women's dress is causing rape, that is blaming the women for rape. What part of this statement one does nor understand? Why is the obvious so difficult to see?
I hope that clarifies.

Who is placing all the blames only on Women? Please clarify who is placing all the blames on women and in what form.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear PJ sir,

Many years ago somewhere in the 90's there was a case here where a Malay Muslim young 20 something girl who was raped.

She was the last passenger in the bus and the bus driver raped,sodomized and killed her.

The girl was dressed up fully covered and wearing a head scarf.

The bus driver used her head scarf to strangle her to death.

Most rape victims were never even dressed in revealing dresses to start with.


The rapist does not see skin show as an invite...I repeat....The rapist does not see skin show as an invite...all the rapist sees is a FEMALE(be it child,adult or even an old lady).


A rapist mind is like the Pavlov Dog experiment.

In the Pavlov Dog experiment the denervated Dog salivates when it hears the bell ringing for food cos it has conditioned to link the sound of the bell with food.


So that is how a rapist mind works...when he sees a Female...he starts "salivating"...for SEX.

To a rapist..FEMALE= SEX.

What she wears does not really matters cos what he is concerned about is what lies beneath the dress.

Who said to rape a lady one should be satisfied with her skin color, beauty and her gorgeous body??

It is mostly only the physical organs, the actions involved and its sensations that kindles the urge to have sex and commit rape, for the rapists.

As we know that there are many reasons behind a man raping a lady, he would just need an outlet for his mental state.

Thus, what a lady wears does not matters. All that matters is she is a female no matter what's her age is for some psychopath.

 

[amala]

After reading post 82 why still keep harping about sexy revealing clothes is beyond me

 

[C RAVI]

It is obvious that people do not read, or read and interpret the way that is convenient to them.
Please read TKS post#82 again.
Rape is not because of the way women is dressed, it is crime of opportunity.
How women's dress matter when 82 year old grand ma, and 4 year old babies are raped.
How about rape at home, or of women clad in Burka?

So give up on this advice that women's dress is causing rape, that is blaming the women for rape. What part of this statement one does nor understand? Why is the obvious so difficult to see?
I hope that clarifies.

Read at least the selective portions of my post no.84. below, because you could not follow my lengthier post..

As Palindrom has rightly said, Yes, there are many idiotic mothers, idiotic fathers, idiotic sons and idiotic daughters and they are wide spread across the corners of India. Man power/domination, revenge, just to spoil the reputation and self dignity of a girl on behalf of one self and or on behalf of others etc..etc are many such reasons other than real lust.

Who is denying that?

The point is why to appear sexy, revealing the assets, wearing awkwardly and pose an another reason for sexual crime?

The thread topic is about one of the many reasons behind rape incidents. And that, wearing sexy and revealing costumes do attract such rape crimes. It instigates lots of hidden psychological mess up in many indiscipline men with impurity in mind, the mind which is already burdened with Male domination/male chauvinism, idiotic ideas due to wrong upbringing of idiotic mothers, distress, anxiety, frustrations etc..etc and leads to rape incidents.

Many Men drink to the core to lose their consciousness. They want this to have the experiences of different floating world without any restrictions. Having drunk to achieve that and having lost one self from the fear of law or order, with all the premeditated sexual fantasies go and rape any females from the age of 3 to 80. Either they do all alone or form a team with like minded men and indulge in Gang Rapes, no matter how women wear dress! Even if women be in burkha like staunch Muslims, these men would do what they did, what they are doing and what they gonna probably do, no matter how tough is the law and order.

But, as civilized humans in the civilized society we do have some responsibilities to not to facilitate kindling of sexual urge in already psychologically detailed Men. As well, it is only prudent to safeguard one self from being attacked rather intellectually talking what is her rights, what is the truth behind such men indulging in sex crimes, how should they be punished and breaking head as how to remove impurity in minds of such Men.

Thus, it is always better for the girls to adopt modest dressing sense.

 

[P.J.]

There may be so many reasons for a rapists to indulge in the sinful act; but wearing scanty, vulgar revealing dress means inviting trouble, in our Indian Cities/Villages. This is the point I am stressing all along.

 

[C RAVI]

The thread topic is about sexy revealing dress, revealing the assets of a girl as one of the many reasons behind rape incidents.

Myself and some of like minded members are agreeing to this fact and explaining in details as how and why we agree.

But, some members here and one funny Delhi6 Bhai are turning the facts upside down and blaming we guys as women haters; snatchers of women freedom, dignity, rights; demonizing women, male chauvinists and what not?? LOL!!!

That is why, many posts are appearing here, revolving around agreeing with the OP, as and when our points are neglected, challenged and found ridiculous.

 

[palindrome]

I hope this will give a clearer picture about a mind of a rapist:

Rapists not mentally ill, but criminals who feel they can get away, experts feel - Times Of India

Dr Sunil Mittal from the Delhi Psychiatry Centre said rapists are perverts who revel in the fact that they get away with it. "Thrill for them is violence and aggression along with sex. He feels powerful with sexual assault,'' said Dr Mittal. He added rapists are possibly people who cannot have a normal sexual relationship. "He cannot make any intellectual contribution to a relationship, choosing sexual aggression instead,'' he added.
Dr B N Gangadhar, professor of psychiatry from NIMHANS, Bangalore, told TOI he is against using psychological or sociological labels for rapists. "There is nothing psychiatric about a rapist. In fact, a person with a psychiatric illness will never commit a rape. It is clearly a criminal mind that has decided to gratify oneself despite the norms of society.''

It is true men with certain mental illnesses cannot rape (cannot have normal sexual life either). Psychiatrists are very divided on opinion. Psychiatrists are primarily concerned with clinical management of patients. They are not geneticists and maybe missing that angle to understanding behavior.

All the same, research into genetics of behavior is an upcoming field, getting popular of late. Although there is so much research into understanding aggression and sexual aggression, we still need more time to come around to the idea that certain behavior is familial (runs in families) and has a genetic basis to it (a point which maybe difficult for people to accept).

The worst, however, is when law makes a joke out of it; when evidence of biology is used to reduce the sentence of the psychopath. Its like blame it on the genes, and get a lighter sentence for it (when in fact it should be reverse -- a psycopath should be kept locked for the longest time; and if a repeat offender must be sentenced to death). Here's one case: Would Judge Give Psychopath With Genetic Defect Lighter Sentence? : Shots - Health News : NPR

 

[C RAVI]

So Dear Sri P.J. sir,

Is your opinion then that no woman should wear a swimming outfit in a beach or a swimming pool for they stand the chance of asking for 'trouble'?

Regards,
KRS

Shri KRS,

In Indian context, Women could go to swimming pool wearing swimming outfit only if that swimming pool is managed, maintained and governed by a disciplined and organized body. And such swimming pools are used by descent men who are not psychologically derailed. Even descent men are not allowed to use the unisex swimming pool or if its unisex they would not be allowed being drunk. Even if these descent guys get aroused by seeing bikini ladies, naturally, they would end up into fascinating her in their mind or use the wash room to get relieved from their pulsating senses and nothing more.

By your one line statement, do you mean to say that women in India can go to any local swimming pool without any governing body and can be used by any x y z from any strata of the society, as wearing swimming outfit to use swimming pool as women's need for the purpose is as same as men? Can you encourage a female to do that in such swimming pools, and take a chance because law and order threatening is their for the criminals and to take actions against them if they some how commit rape?

 

[C RAVI]

Punishment like: 'Cut off the part that committed the crime!'

Shrmt. Raji,

Still in India, it would not change the situation. Still Men will indulge in individual rape and gang rape. If they think even for a second about the law that would Cut off their part that would commit the crime, they will drink liquor as much as possible to come to a brave determination of committing rape. All we find will be, many girls been physically and mentally ruined and hell lots of such criminals with out their "rape committing part, hanging". That's all!!

 

[prasad1]

Who said to rape a lady one should be satisfied with her skin color, beauty and her gorgeous body??

It is mostly only the physical organs, the actions involved and its sensations that kindles the urge to have sex and commit rape, for the rapists.

As we know that there are many reasons behind a man raping a lady, he would just need an outlet for his mental state.

Thus, what a lady wears does not matters. All that matters is she is a female no matter what's her age is for some psychopath.

Wow finally an ahah moment!!!
So asking women to dress modestly so they would not get raped is put to rest.
So original op is wrong, and the poster has still not recognized that.

 

[prasad1]

There may be so many reasons for a rapists to indulge in the sinful act; but wearing scanty, vulgar revealing dress means inviting trouble, in our Indian Cities/Villages. This is the point I am stressing all along.

Sir,
We have shown you by quoting from professional people like Law officers, Psychologist, and women that dress has absolutely nothing to do with Rape. All they need in an anatomy to show their rage. Be it India, or Pakistan, or Australia.

 

[prasad1]

The thread topic is about sexy revealing dress, revealing the assets of a girl as one of the many reasons behind rape incidents.

That assumption beats all logic. Mr. TKS a law enforcing agent debunked that in his post.
I have shown a 4 year old an 82 year old being raped, where is the revealing dress coming from.

 

[C RAVI]

I have shown a 4 year old an 82 year old being raped, where is the revealing dress coming from.

As if we could know such things happening only because you show us..LOL!!!


Read the part of my post no.84, which you chosed to ignore reading..

The thread topic is about one of the many reasons behind rape incidents. And that, wearing sexy and revealing costumes do attract such rape crimes. It instigates lots of hidden psychological mess up in many indiscipline men with impurity in mind, the mind which is already burdened with Male domination/male chauvinism, idiotic ideas due to wrong upbringing of idiotic mothers, distress, anxiety, frustrations etc..etc and leads to rape incidents.

Many Men drink to the core to lose their consciousness. They want this to have the experiences of different floating world without any restrictions. Having drunk to achieve that and having lost one self from the fear of law or order, with all the premeditated sexual fantasies go and rape any females from the age of 3 to 80. Either they do all alone or form a team with like minded men and indulge in Gang Rapes, no matter how women wear dress! Even if women be in burkha like staunch Muslims, these men would do what they did, what they are doing and what they gonna probably do, no matter how tough is the law and order.

But, as civilized humans in the civilized society we do have some responsibilities to not to facilitate kindling of sexual urge in already psychologically detailed Men. As well, it is only prudent to safeguard one self from being attacked rather intellectually talking what is her rights, what is the truth behind such men indulging in sex crimes, how should they be punished and breaking head as how to remove impurity in minds of such Men.

Thus, it is always better for the girls to adopt modest dressing sense.

 

[Govinda]

After reading post 82 why still keep harping about sexy revealing clothes is beyond me

Amala,

One of the points made by TBS in post#82

Victims are selected by their situational vulnerability - the advice is to take precautions so as to be NOT selected.

Revealing dress, excessive makeups are first catches on vulnerability, in any place! In a group of modestly dressed women, one wearing tight jeans, low tops, showing contours of the body are 100% vulnerable, next comes the one having loud voice. Becos, the eyes and ears are the ones close to the brain/mind and are easy catches for attention!!! You can't beat the nature!

Women going to bars, night parties, going to remote secluded areas (picnic or sight seeing) are vulnerable irrespective of the dress they wear or the male company they have! (refer ibnlive news, about the guy who married the accompanying friend raped by a group of shepherds in a remote hilly-picnic place). So, avoid going to remote uncrowded areas.

So, avoid all vulnerabilities, be it simple, small, big or complex!! No rights or debates matter, except the consequences! Don't be defiant! Always foresee the loopholes and consequences.

 

[sangom]

Shri KRS,

In Indian context, Women could go to swimming pool wearing swimming outfit only if that swimming pool is managed, maintained and governed by a disciplined and organized body. And such swimming pools are used by descent men who are not psychologically derailed. Even descent men are not allowed to use the unisex swimming pool or if its unisex they would not be allowed being drunk. Even if these descent guys get aroused by seeing bikini ladies, naturally, they would end up into fascinating her in their mind or use the wash room to get relieved from their pulsating senses and nothing more.

By your one line statement, do you mean to say that women in India can go to any local swimming pool without any governing body and can be used by any x y z from any strata of the society, as wearing swimming outfit to use swimming pool as women's need for the purpose is as same as men? Can you encourage a female to do that in such swimming pools, and take a chance because law and order threatening is their for the criminals and to take actions against them if they some how commit rape?

Shri Ravi,

I think swimming pools, gated communities, farm houses and all such things usually represent, even today in India, the very upper crust of the society. But on the roads, we have a huge crowd of people, including males from the middle to the lowest strata of the society. Hence what is normal and allowed in those exclusive clubs of the rich and the super-rich cannot be practised right on the streets of India. But a situation seems to be fast coming in which our younger women think that their empowerment, emancipation and so on must be practisable anywhere in India. This was the important message in some of the placards at the Nirbhaya incident in Delhi. (one placard said : "I will go naked on the road, but I should not be troubled" or something to the same effect.

The problem, according to me, is that we have a government which has little awareness of this country and these people are ruling. And, mostly, the government's efforts are to bring in everything from the west here and they think, in their utter foolishness, that India will become another US overnight by this method. That is the bane of this country.

Our government should know our people and their strengths, weaknesses, beliefs and so on and govern the country so that the maximum benefits reach the maximum number of people. But this is sadly, not happening. Saudi Arabia, though an autocratic country seems to be better on this count, at least to me.

 

[C RAVI]

Wow finally an ahah moment!!!
So asking women to dress modestly so they would not get raped is put to rest.
So original op is wrong, and the poster has still not recognized that.

Finding my comments in my below quoted post, you are experiencing "Wow an ahah moment!!" And concluding that OP is wrong. LOL!!!


This clearly proves as how terribly you are confused with what myself and Shri PJ are stating.


You are shocked by my comments in below post, as if we don't believe in what sense and in what all manners, degrees, indiscipline men indulge in rape irrespective of the age of the females and irrespective of how they dress.

You neither have understood the OP nor the following posts in line with the OP. Or you are simply stuck with your wrong opinions about members like me and want to ignore what we are saying.

It is pathetic on our part, having taken efforts in vain to show that wearing revealing sexy dress also attracts rape incidents and it is one among many many reasons.

There are guys who after watching porn videos, drinks go and rape a possible victim. Similarly there are chances of men who would become lustrous seeing sexually exposing women wearing a revealing dress on the roads and go and attack any other females from age 3 to 80, who ever they could possibly attack.

Who said to rape a lady one should be satisfied with her skin color, beauty and her gorgeous body??

It is mostly only the physical organs, the actions involved and its sensations that kindles the urge to have sex and commit rape, for the rapists.

As we know that there are many reasons behind a man raping a lady, he would just need an outlet for his mental state.

Thus, what a lady wears does not matters. All that matters is she is a female no matter what's her age is for some psychopath.