Indesent Dressing by Girls

[C RAVI]

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Shri Ravi,

I think swimming pools, gated communities, farm houses and all such things usually represent, even today in India, the very upper crust of the society. But on the roads, we have a huge crowd of people, including males from the middle to the lowest strata of the society. Hence what is normal and allowed in those exclusive clubs of the rich and the super-rich cannot be practised right on the streets of India. But a situation seems to be fast coming in which our younger women think that their empowerment, emancipation and so on must be practisable anywhere in India. This was the important message in some of the placards at the Nirbhaya incident in Delhi. (one placard said : "I will go naked on the road, but I should not be troubled" or something to the same effect.

The problem, according to me, is that we have a government which has little awareness of this country and these people are ruling. And, mostly, the government's efforts are to bring in everything from the west here and they think, in their utter foolishness, that India will become another US overnight by this method. That is the bane of this country.

Our government should know our people and their strengths, weaknesses, beliefs and so on and govern the country so that the maximum benefits reach the maximum number of people. But this is sadly, not happening. Saudi Arabia, though an autocratic country seems to be better on this count, at least to me.

Precisely!!!

 

[P.J.]

A women wearing very revealing dress especially in the wrong place, attracting unwanted attention, likely to be physically assaulted and she has to realize that and dress decently. Dressing decently is mainly a matter of protecting herself although the evil eyes on her for a chance.

Dressing decently reduces the odds of being raped to some extend and women should know there vulnerability.

No one has any right to rape women even if she is wearing a reveling dress but our society is made of Psychos, so it is prudent for women to wear an acceptable dress in Public which may differ from place to place.

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri C. Ravi Ji,

If you had seen Sri P.J Ji's response and my subsequent response to him, you would have realized that I did not mean anything of the sort that you imply.

My stand on this topic is simple. Rape is not about the woman, period.

Every culture/country have their standards on what they consider decent. So, both sexes need to adhere to those standards, in tune with the society's norms.

But everyone has the right to wear anything in public, as long as they do not violate the law. If I remember, there are lots of mendicants running naked around India.

The issue here is one of safety, especially for the ladies in a country like India, where there is a culture of abusing women in public, when an opportunity presents itself. This applies to all women, dressed in any which way.

It seems to me, you wrap a short skirt around a pillar, many Indian men get aroused! So, this is mainly a Indian man's problem.

In an ideal world, a lady, if she wishes, can go naked in public and the most offense a man can do to her is to ask her : 'Sister, you need a piece of clothing to cover yourself?' That to me a sign that the base instincts are in check !.

As a man, I don't think I have any right to tell any woman how to dress.

Regards,
KRS

Shri KRS,

In Indian context, Women could go to swimming pool wearing swimming outfit only if that swimming pool is managed, maintained and governed by a disciplined and organized body. And such swimming pools are used by descent men who are not psychologically derailed. Even descent men are not allowed to use the unisex swimming pool or if its unisex they would not be allowed being drunk. Even if these descent guys get aroused by seeing bikini ladies, naturally, they would end up into fascinating her in their mind or use the wash room to get relieved from their pulsating senses and nothing more.

By your one line statement, do you mean to say that women in India can go to any local swimming pool without any governing body and can be used by any x y z from any strata of the society, as wearing swimming outfit to use swimming pool as women's need for the purpose is as same as men? Can you encourage a female to do that in such swimming pools, and take a chance because law and order threatening is their for the criminals and to take actions against them if they some how commit rape?

 

[biswa]

So here's a question. Assuming women in ancient India were well-dressed and conservative, was there no rape 500 years ago? Or 1000 years ago?

Was Ahalya always seductively dressed? Is there no rape or adultery in the land of the burkha? Why there is rape even among animals!

 

[renuka]

Sir,
We have shown you by quoting from professional people like Law officers, Psychologist, and women that dress has absolutely nothing to do with Rape. All they need in an anatomy to show their rage. Be it India, or Pakistan, or Australia.

Dear Prasad ji,


I really do not understand some of the post here...and some make me laugh about outlet..sexy dresses etc.

The fact remains that a rapist is not too concerned about sexy or revealing outfits..he is just concerned about the inlet for his outlet!

P.S. Don't blame me for using Inlet and Outlet words...I just cant stop laughing reading some posts about a rapist needs an outlet or some guys get turned on at swimming pools when seeing a bikini clad women and then go to the bathroom to you know what!

As far as I know each trip to the swimming pool in which ever country I had been too...I never saw any guys walk around with any tell tale signs of getting turned on and neither any one rushing to bathrooms!LOL

 

[renuka]

Ok lets summarize this Thread.

From what I can understand from most posts here is:

1)The average Indian male..has uncontrolled sexual desires and he can be a potential rapist.

2)Women...you idiots! why dont you understand this! You can never defeat the Indian Male..dont think you can fight him like Predator Vs Alien! He will rape you and you will give birth to a Predalion!

3)Women! worst still these Predators are Amma Boys who have all support from Amma and a troop of Behenjis who will say 'O you attractive women..who asked you to turn on my son..my son is a man...he needed an outlet..so that's why he chose your inlet!


4)So Women...beware! Cover yourself head to toe...do not even wear anklets cos Predators have keen sense of hearing and some even get turned on with the sound of jingling bells and their bells start to jingle!

5)Predators have infra red vision..so make sure your garments are Infra red proof or better still bullet proof!

6)Women! Listen to me..there us no way out..but the good news is...some Predators give warning when they are around..so when next time you hear

Yeah! Baby When U See Me
Coming Yeah!
Yeah U Better Run For Cover
Yeah
Cos U Know When I Find U
Yeah
Yeah I'm Gonna Be Your Lover

Bachna Ae Haseena
Lo Mein Aa Gaya!



You better Bhag Bhag before any DK Bose chases you!

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Sangom Ji, Sir,

You said:

The problem, according to me, is that we have a government which has little awareness of this country and these people are ruling. And, mostly, the government's efforts are to bring in everything from the west here and they think, in their utter foolishness, that India will become another US overnight by this method. That is the bane of this country.

Our government should know our people and their strengths, weaknesses, beliefs and so on and govern the country so that the maximum benefits reach the maximum number of people. But this is sadly, not happening. Saudi Arabia, though an autocratic country seems to be better on this count, at least to me.

Two inferences from your post that I want to address:

1. 'India thinking that they will become another USA' - I do not think this is the goal. I really think that the motive is to eradicate poverty, which requires a minimum growth rate of at least 6% consistently over a decade. You can not have this type of growth without market economy and the investments to support - India simply does not have the internal resources to support this, hence the need for FDIs. Now, how they are managing such investments is another story, but the underlying assumption is valid.

2. Saudi Arabia has about 26 million folks, and 75% are the Saudi Arabs, 10% among them are Shiites, and the rest of them expats. Any non diverse country like that can easily manage the social/cultural agenda. Funny part is, even there, the women want more freedom and the Saudi's are quietly accommodating.

India is huge and diverse in any which way you look : Religion, culture, ethnicity, language, and even cuisine. One can not rule such a nation with an iron hand. One has to accommodate to the minorities - 10% minority in India is a larger than Saudi Arabia in population.

Regards,
KRS

 

[renuka]

Why there is rape even among animals!

Biswa ji,

Don't you get it...animals do not wear clothes!

 

[prasad1]

So here's a question. Assuming women in ancient India were well-dressed and conservative, was there no rape 500 years ago? Or 1000 years ago?

Was Ahalya always seductively dressed? Is there no rape or adultery in the land of the burkha? Why there is rape even among animals!

Rape among animals is defiantly because they dressed provocatively.

 

[kunjuppu]

the jain sadvis, once they declare intention to be a monk, shave their whole body, and in the process also shed their clothes.

i guess one should warn their of the virile indian male, and his uncontrollable tommy. but being non violent, i am not sure, what these sadvis can do except to give in to the uncontrollable urge of the indian male for which the nudity of the jain monk was alone responsible.

the same goes for the male monk too .. you be nude, you get raped. watch your arse you guy

hilarious the level of ignorance..and prejudice..and sad to say, stupidity

i think some people, should have some real life experience of good loving tender sex, so that they can move from their theoretical views of what 'should' happen and when and if. a good f*&k is a cure all for all illness of the head... sometimes. but not for desi rapists though.

 

[renuka]

i think some people, should have some real life experience of sex, so that they can move from their theoretical views of what 'should' happen and when and if. a good f*&k is a cure all for all illness of the head... sometimes. but not for desi rapists though.

LOL! You read my mind!

 

[Raji Ram]

When I was in college (Coimbatore) there was a strange case! A woman's nip was bitten badly by a furious male

in a crowded city bus! :shocked: She was rushed to the hospital and that guy was arrested. He told the police that he did

so because that woman was clad in a see through white saree and choli without under garments!

We were six girls in our class and all were day scholars. We had to travel by city bus every day. We were studying

in PSG Arts college. Invariable we were teased by some students of CIT, who also travel in the same route. Then we

requested our principal to reserve a seat for us in our college bus. That long seat was named 'thAykkulam seat'!

 

[mkrishna100]

The fact remains that a rapist is not too concerned about sexy or revealing outfits..he is just concerned about the inlet for his outlet!

True . Sexy or revealing outfits is just an excuse for a rapist . Having said that I do advise my Western female friends when they come to India to cover themselves up when they move out in public / crowded places and more specifically in Temples / Religious places . Many Ashrams / Religious Institutions in India have a strong dress code for everyone and specifically for foreigners .

The following is the Code given to people in General and Foreigners specifically in the Sivananda Organization in India :

Male / Female Relations :
To respect the local culture and the monastic tradition, kindly restrain expressions of affection such as hugging or kissing in public.
Dress Code :
Guests behaviour and dress code should be respectful of Indian culture and enhance the spiritual atmosphere of the ashram. Observance of the ashram dress code should be maintained at all times including during asana classes or swimming in the nearby lake, pond or river. Nudity is forbidden. Men and women should cover the shoulders, midriff and legs. Tight fitting, transparent and revealing clothing is not permitted in the ashram.

I have been to Sivananda Ashram in India ( not the one in Rishikesh but the one in Neyyar Dam , Kerala ) as well as the Sivananda Ashram in Val Morin , Quebec ,Canada

While the rules are very strict in India , it is quite relaxed in Canada and in fact in Canada there is a swimming pool inside the Ashram itself and one can see many ladies in swim suits reading Bhagavad Gita by the pool and having sun bath and in the toilets there people just roam around naked without the least embarrassment .

When I went the first time there in Canada as a Guest they gave me the following advice :
1) No problem in Hugging / Kissing a women in public but never touch a child however cute it may be like in India we do and even innocently if u touch it they will consider you as a Child Molestor . I got to know from the people there that the biggest sexual crime there is Child Molestation and the horror is many child get molested by their close family members themselves and horror of all is that I heard of a real life incident where a daughter of a close Canadian friend of mine was molested by their own family friend who was a leading Doctor in that city and they came to know of it only much later .
2) In India 2 male friends can walk together putting arms on the other shoulder in public but here it would be interpreted that they are gays .So be careful with that also .LOL

So cultural standards differ from place to place and we need to respect what is the norm in a particular place .But all said and done a man cannot give any excuse for raping a women however scantily dress she may be in and this attitude must be drilled in them right from Childhood from their parents / at schools , in colleges , in Movies etc .

 

[palindrome]

When I was in college (Coimbatore) there was a strange case! A woman's nip was bitten badly by a furious male

in a crowded city bus! :shocked: She was rushed to the hospital and that guy was arrested. He told the police that he did

so because that woman was clad in a see through white saree and choli without under garments!

We were six girls in our class and all were day scholars. We had to travel by city bus every day. We were studying

in PSG Arts college. Invariable we were teased by some students of CIT, who also travel in the same route. Then we

requested our principal to reserve a seat for us in our college bus. That long seat was named 'thAykkulam seat'!

So was that an excuse to bite a woman? Is he human or some savage beast? Oh well, perhaps every other average indian male has that lurking rapist in him, I suppose.

 

[renuka]

Dear All,


I have solid evidence that sexy/revealing dresses does not cause rape!

Tamil Movies have the answer!

Have you ever seen an item number hot chick getting raped in Tamil Movies? No isn't it?


We always see a Padavai Thavani clad hero's younger sister running in the woods screaming "Anna Anna" and she ends up getting raped!

I was thinking about this just now...since as a medical professional I am unable to convince some members that type of clothes does not matter to a rapist...I thought hard and found cinema based evidence!LOL

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

Do you know that cinema is one of the culprits to encourage molesting of girls. It is an unsaid 'movie rule' that if a

girl gets molested, she is bound to marry the culprit, as per Tamil culture (!!??) Many movies show that the easiest

solution of getting married to a rich / attractive girl is to commit this crime against her. There was also a stupid movie

in which a girl is 'spoiled' by a thug for getting some money. Soon the girl settles in the house near the horrible place

he lives in and woos him to marry her - Tamil culture! When will such silly kind of movies stop being screened? :mad2:

 

[Raji Ram]

.........
Tamil Movies have the answer!

Have you ever seen an item number hot chick getting raped in Tamil Movies? No isn't it?........

Renoooo! This is because that 'item number hot chick' will willingly go with the hero / villain!! :lol:

 

[Raji Ram]

There existed lots and lots of child/ girl / lady / oldie molesters for many many years now!

They come to lime light only now because media needs everyday 'aval' for their empty mouths!! hwell:

P.S: aval for empty mouths = verum vaayai mella aval!!

 

[renuka]

Renoooo! This is because that 'item number hot chick' will willingly go with the hero / villain!! :lol:

Dear RR ji,

That is fine..cos they have her CONSENT!

BTW...Some rapist love the violence inflicted on a victim...violence turns them on.

 

[tks]

Dear All,


I have solid evidence that sexy/revealing dresses does not cause rape!

Tamil Movies have the answer!

Have you ever seen an item number hot chick getting raped in Tamil Movies? No isn't it?


We always see a Padavai Thavani clad hero's younger sister running in the woods screaming "Anna Anna" and she ends up getting raped!

I was thinking about this just now...since as a medical professional I am unable to convince some members that type of clothes does not matter to a rapist...I thought hard and found cinema based evidence!LOL

Dr Renu

You can never convince *most people* with facts even in scientific/engineering profession. Most decisions seemingly (no fact based proof here are actually made at an emotional level and facts are used later to justify the decision.

The ad industry knows this too well - they can come up with a product which is 99.99% water (taken from a location whose inhabitants rarely derive any benefits) , throw some sugar and Carbon dioxide , add some colors and some other mystery ingredient and sell this for a huge price. What they sell for big price is a feeling (name brand is earned by spending money developing the right feeling to be associated with the product- like choice of new generation and hence the need to feel young exploiting human insecurity about growing old) . They make an emotional sale but the buyer justifies their decision later with some 'facts'.

A (man or) woman with 'revealing' cloths may invoke a feeling of attraction on the part of certain lookers, may even make them feel that the person they covet is not attainable and feel frustrated to be driven to some action. But it does not include need to commit an act of rape.

Since Tamil movies cannot show prolonged sex scenes they introduce some sex related topics often via rape. An average sex starved male learns to equate rape as an act of sex though they know it is a crime. When a rape scene comes in a movie they may not get turned off by violence (like they would if they saw a murder scene) but feel a sense of sexual excitement. For someone who is used to that emotional association they tend to think that women who dress in a provocative manner tormenting sex-starved males are somehow responsible for a rapist to feel the urge driven by sexual desire. This is an emotional association that cannot be reasoned by any argument or more importantly by any facts.

There are some people who think that many poor people have a tendency to steal. You cannot reason with them with logic or facts. The same is the case here.

The best is to have fun debating for a while and move on

 

[mkrishna100]

I have solid evidence that sexy/revealing dresses does not cause rape!

Tamil Movies have the answer!

Not necessarily . In an Old Tamil MGR Movie , the heroine KR Vijaya who is a modern Urban women comes to Village in a so called Modern Dress ( Modren dress of that era ) and on seeing her a villager tries to Molest her and the hero MGR Comes and saves KR Vijaya and asks the Villager why he has to molest her as he has a good and dutiful wife , kids etc . That Villager says that he got aroused seeing KR Vijaya in her modern dress and hence did that . Then MGR Advises KR Vijaya ( basically he was advising all the other modern women at that time ) to dress respecting the rules of that place and culture otherwise they will end up in these sort of trouble . There was no advise for that Man :shocked:
Had that movie come in today's time all the Women Organizations would have thrashed MGR in to a pulp for giving such a sort of advice :deadhorse:

 

[renuka]

There existed lots and lots of child/ girl / lady / oldie molesters for many many years now!

They come to lime light only now because media needs everyday 'aval' for their empty mouths!! hwell:

P.S: aval for empty mouths = verum vaayai mella aval!!

Dear RR ji,

There is also smooth criminal types of molesters who hold high posts and are educated..like some idiotic professor we had in college..who would hold our hands..touch our faces during Viva Voce for exams.

It is not easy answering exam questions while being touched on your face..but still we girls managed to score very high and answer all questions.

He would only touch girls who were NRI or PIO from other countries.

Once he mistook a girl who was from Tamil Nadu to be a NRI and he held her hands during exams and much later he got to know that she was from TN like him and he apologized to her saying 'Amma ..I did not know you were from TN..if I had known I would not have held your hands during exams"


So you see..these are even more dangerous cos we could not voice out what was happening cos no one would believe the cry of an NRI or PIO girl from other countries in India and also we feared any problems like the professor failing us in exams if we complained.

BTW all of us used to be clad in Salwar Kameez with Dupatta during exams and in class and yet this happened!

 

[mkrishna100]

He would only touch girls who were NRI or PIO from other countries.

Why is that many Indian men feel that Foreign /NRI /PIO Women are freely available and can one do anything with them without their consent ?

 

[sangom]

A women wearing very revealing dress especially in the wrong place, attracting unwanted attention, likely to be physically assaulted and she has to realize that and dress decently. Dressing decently is mainly a matter of protecting herself although the evil eyes on her for a chance.

Dressing decently reduces the odds of being raped to some extend and women should know there vulnerability.

No one has any right to rape women even if she is wearing a reveling dress but our society is made of Psychos, so it is prudent for women to wear an acceptable dress in Public which may differ from place to place.

Why should we have such long discussions? My FIL's house, in the plot of land next to mine had a very weak door at the rear and any one could sense that in just one look. The next door leading from the outermost rear verandah was solid wooden door and so my FIL was of the view that if at all any thief tries he would only be able to access the outermost verandah which had only the grinding stones (ammi, ATTukkal, tirukai and some junk items). When my in-laws had gone to their son's house, during one particularly heavy rainy season, one thief had got in, possibly remained for a few days, opened each and every room and stolen almost all valuables; he had left several smoked bidi pieces and a dirty latrine!!

The issue here is very similar, according to me. You keep your house almost open and exibit the assets and tempt the thief to the maximum extent to come in through the almost open door. And then expect that everything should be more than a Ram Rajya and there should be no thief; and that too in a country which deifies krishna who was very expert in getting himself smeared all over with the kumkum from the पीन पयोधरs (pīna payodharas = large, voluminous breasts) of already married and unmarried gopis who had a sexual obsession about him !!

 

[sangom]

True . Sexy or revealing outfits is just an excuse for a rapist . Having said that I do advise my Western female friends when they come to India to cover themselves up when they move out in public / crowded places and more specifically in Temples / Religious places . Many Ashrams / Religious Institutions in India have a strong dress code for everyone and specifically for foreigners .

The following is the Code given to people in General and Foreigners specifically in the Sivananda Organization in India :


I have been to Sivananda Ashram in India ( not the one in Rishikesh but the one in Neyyar Dam , Kerala ) as well as the Sivananda Ashram in Val Morin , Quebec ,Canada

While the rules are very strict in India , it is quite relaxed in Canada and in fact in Canada there is a swimming pool inside the Ashram itself and one can see many ladies in swim suits reading Bhagavad Gita by the pool and having sun bath and in the toilets there people just roam around naked without the least embarrassment .

When I went the first time there in Canada as a Guest they gave me the following advice :
1) No problem in Hugging / Kissing a women in public but never touch a child however cute it may be like in India we do and even innocently if u touch it they will consider you as a Child Molestor . I got to know from the people there that the biggest sexual crime there is Child Molestation and the horror is many child get molested by their close family members themselves and horror of all is that I heard of a real life incident where a daughter of a close Canadian friend of mine was molested by their own family friend who was a leading Doctor in that city and they came to know of it only much later .
2) In India 2 male friends can walk together putting arms on the other shoulder in public but here it would be interpreted that they are gays .So be careful with that also .LOL

So cultural standards differ from place to place and we need to respect what is the norm in a particular place .But all said and done a man cannot give any excuse for raping a women however scantily dress she may be in and this attitude must be drilled in them right from Childhood from their parents / at schools , in colleges , in Movies etc .

Shri Krishna,

Do the Canadians have any answer for the child molestation which happens there? Is it because the Canadians (male and female) are generally of deviant psychology? Does anyone in India, or in this Forum, argue for the rapists?

All that we are saying is that just as one has to be extra careful about their kidswhile visiting Canada or USA, about the possibility of child molestation, people coming to India should ensure that womenfolk desist from wearing short and revealing clothes/dresses.

Let us agree that each country has its own minus points and dark spots. Nothing in India which calls for so much hullabaloo about rape, rapists, their psychology, etc. Unfortunately, we have a government which does not know this country and its gaze is fixed on the west only.