Dear Happy Hindu and Dr. Renuka karthikayan,
Excellent, thought provoking postings. Congrats.
Ramanathan.
Excellent, thought provoking postings. Congrats.
Ramanathan.
-
This forum contains old posts that have been closed. New threads and replies may not be made here. Please navigate to the relevant forum to create a new thread or post a reply.
-
Welcome to Tamil Brahmins forums.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our Free Brahmin Community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
Is the caste system weakness of Hinduism?
- Thread starter Ramansrini
- Start date
- Status
renuka
Well-known member
Dear Happy Hindu,
I saw the link about Adi Shankaracharya you posted.
God comes to show us our errors and misconceptions.
Do you really think AdiShankaracharya did not know about what the so called Outcaste told Him?
It was all just role play.
God works through multiple ways.
AdiShankaracharya was just showing the world that no matter how learned one is he can still have prejudices and make wrong judgements.
He was also showing to us that knowledge can be in anyone and can be learnt from anyone regardless of his origins and everyone should be given respect.
After all isnt AdiShankaracharya the incarnation of Lord Shiva?
Didnt Lord Shiva learn the Pranava from Lord Muruga.
Lord Shiva had earlier shown that age is no bar when it comes to giving knowledge.
As Adishankaracharya He was showing the world that bodily caste is no bar to giving and having knowledge.
Anyway the video here is a little different.
I thought the original story goes that the so called Outcaste had 4 dogs with him which represented the 4 Vedas .
Anyway the actor was kind of cute.
I saw the link about Adi Shankaracharya you posted.
God comes to show us our errors and misconceptions.
Do you really think AdiShankaracharya did not know about what the so called Outcaste told Him?
It was all just role play.
God works through multiple ways.
AdiShankaracharya was just showing the world that no matter how learned one is he can still have prejudices and make wrong judgements.
He was also showing to us that knowledge can be in anyone and can be learnt from anyone regardless of his origins and everyone should be given respect.
After all isnt AdiShankaracharya the incarnation of Lord Shiva?
Didnt Lord Shiva learn the Pranava from Lord Muruga.
Lord Shiva had earlier shown that age is no bar when it comes to giving knowledge.
As Adishankaracharya He was showing the world that bodily caste is no bar to giving and having knowledge.
Anyway the video here is a little different.
I thought the original story goes that the so called Outcaste had 4 dogs with him which represented the 4 Vedas .
Anyway the actor was kind of cute.
Last edited:
You speak my mind Renu. However, please understand that to brahmins of a particular kind, smrithis are eternal laws, unchangable, applicable in all yugas and divine in nature. And that is what some mutts propagate. And to others who understand later-day central asian mlechha origins its an irony.
Surprisingly those who take the puranas as divine, overlook the bhavishya purana which says that the mlechhas will rise in the kaliyuga. One particular angle of this rising is really ironical for those who view that angle in that way too.
The prob is that some particular 'brahmins' do not recognize something called "change in laws" nor they they recognize that indians exhibit a genetic continum of tribes converted into castes, with every recent community being a mix of old tribes plus showing genetic inflow into their population groups.
So far, God has never abused man, but man has abused man in the name of God. By god's grace, these things are not widely prevalant. Its just that it causes a few social POVs. Which affects the society as a while. And looking at the social probs these things create, it is sort of sad.....but what to do, it is the kaliyuga of adharma.
Addition:
Btw, i suppose you will like the manisha panchakam very much which came to Adi Shankara impromptu during the chandala incident. http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/manishhaa5.pdf
Last edited:
i understand all this renu. its a delight to read your posts.yes, the story of the presence or absence of 4 dogs seems to vary. some say the chandala had 4 dogs, some say he didn't come with 4 dogs.
regards.
renuka
Well-known member
dear all,
I just want to relate an incident that took place when I was in Puttaparthi sometime back.
A prominent and eminent speaker was giving a talk on mantras etc in front of Sathya Sai Baba.
I was listening attentively as the speaker was really learned and his talk was very enlighting.
when he came to the portions of some mantra being coined by certain rishis he started identifying himself with a particular rishi and said that he is from that particular rishis gotra.he repeated this a couple of times.
I was quite suprised to hear this because he was addressing an international audience in the presence of Sathya Sai Baba and despite being so learned he was still identifying himself with his caste and gotra.
A few minutes after what he said Sathya Sai Baba had started to leave the audience(actually He was going into the Prashanti Mandir) but the crowd thought that Sathya Sai Baba was leaving the place and the crowd started leaving the hall.
The speaker was going on talking despite the audince leaving.
And at that moment Sathya Sai Baba decided to come into the hall again and the crowd noticing Baba coming in again rushed into the hall.
This time the speaker started stammering a little.
I wonder if the speaker realised that the audience only wanted Sathya Sai Baba and were not interested in his lecture and his gotra/caste made no difference to them.
The Bhakta only seeks God and nothing else.
I just want to relate an incident that took place when I was in Puttaparthi sometime back.
A prominent and eminent speaker was giving a talk on mantras etc in front of Sathya Sai Baba.
I was listening attentively as the speaker was really learned and his talk was very enlighting.
when he came to the portions of some mantra being coined by certain rishis he started identifying himself with a particular rishi and said that he is from that particular rishis gotra.he repeated this a couple of times.
I was quite suprised to hear this because he was addressing an international audience in the presence of Sathya Sai Baba and despite being so learned he was still identifying himself with his caste and gotra.
A few minutes after what he said Sathya Sai Baba had started to leave the audience(actually He was going into the Prashanti Mandir) but the crowd thought that Sathya Sai Baba was leaving the place and the crowd started leaving the hall.
The speaker was going on talking despite the audince leaving.
And at that moment Sathya Sai Baba decided to come into the hall again and the crowd noticing Baba coming in again rushed into the hall.
This time the speaker started stammering a little.
I wonder if the speaker realised that the audience only wanted Sathya Sai Baba and were not interested in his lecture and his gotra/caste made no difference to them.
The Bhakta only seeks God and nothing else.
Last edited:
RVR
0
However, please understand that to brahmins of a particular kind, smrithis are eternal laws, unchangable, applicable in all yugas and divine in nature. And that is what some mutts propagate. And to others who understand later-day central asian mlechha origins its an irony.
You are indirectly attacking both Kanchi mutt and followers like me. I have understood your statement. Go ahead. No problem
The prob is that some particular 'brahmins' do not recognize something called "change in laws" nor they they recognize that indians exhibit a genetic continum of tribes converted into castes, with every recent community being a mix of old tribes plus showing genetic inflow into their population groups.
Changes are happening every where. Please read the following article. Changes are happening in Kanchi Mutt also.
The Hindu : Tamil Nadu News : `Kanchi Acharya first pontiff to mingle with Dalits'
So far, God has never abused man, but man has abused man in the name of God.
Addition:
Btw, i suppose you will like the manisha panchakam very much which came to Adi Shankara impromptu during the chandala incident. http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/manishhaa5.pdf
All the Indians have accepted Indian Constitution. Particularly people who live in India cannot violate the constitution. Only untouchablity is against the constitution. However constitution gives full liberty to practice their faith which has been confirmed by courts several times.
As Dr.Ramanathan pointed out, once we adopted the consitution, all other laws are repealed
As a practicing Hindu, I follow the statement of the father of our nation (I want to be more specific `India') Mahatma Gandhi.
Gandhi said, "My belief in the Hindu scriptures does not require me to accept every word and every verse as divinely inspired .... I decline to be bound by any interpretation, however learned it may be, if it is repugnant to reason or moral sense"
All the best
Last edited:
renuka
Well-known member
However, please understand that to brahmins of a particular kind, smrithis are eternal laws, unchangable, applicable in all yugas and divine in nature. And that is what some mutts propagate. And to others who understand later-day central asian mlechha origins its an irony.
Surprisingly those who take the puranas as divine, overlook the bhavishya purana which says that the mlechhas will rise in the kaliyuga. One particular angle of this rising is really ironical for those who view that angle in that way too.
The prob is that some particular 'brahmins' do not recognize something called "change in laws" nor they they recognize that indians exhibit a genetic continum of tribes converted into castes, with every recent community being a mix of old tribes plus showing genetic inflow into their population groups.
So far, God has never abused man, but man has abused man in the name of God. By god's grace, these things are not widely prevalant. Its just that it causes a few social POVs. Which affects the society as a while. And looking at the social probs these things create, it is sort of sad.....but what to do, it is the kaliyuga of adharma.
Addition:
Btw, i suppose you will like the manisha panchakam very much which came to Adi Shankara impromptu during the chandala incident. http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/manishhaa5.pdf
Dear Happy Hindu,
Thanks for the manisha panchakam. nice to refresh my memory from time to time.
It does not really matter to me if anyone wants to believe that any law is eternal.
I was just giving my personal opinion on how I would like to interprate my own Religion.
I dont want to blame any Brahmin or Mutt in this.
It would just go to show that I still practice discrimination if I blamed anyone.
It does not matter to me if anyone else sees everything as different but I just hope to maintain I can see all as One.
After all even Christians and Muslims also believe their laws are eternal.
For them only those of their own faith are saved and the rest are destined to be consumed by flames in Hell.
Tell me in this world who does not discriminate?
Many of us have not reached the state Of Dvanda Teetham and Triguna Rahitam
Excellent. I have great regard for Sathya Sai Baba. Baba's action could have also meant to show the talker his place, that there is no place for differences in human beings. I think the "eminent" speaker would have got the message.
i was referring to mutts and to some certain people who clearly expressed their stand on the smrithis here. But not you.
So far sir, we both have not discussed smrithis. You had already mentioned that you are not into scriptures. Nowhere did you say the smrithis must be followed either. You have always made it know that you live by democratic principles. So sir, i was definitely not referring to you.
It is innate and natural for all to see all as one. It is normal.
Religion is man-made. And religious discrimination is not normal.
Take 2 muslim men. One discriminate, the other does not. Both are 'true' muslims. Why?
One chooses to feel the good side of his religious teachings and lives in harmony with others. While the other chooses to take on certain aspects of teachings, superimposes it on his ego, process his thinking in a relative manner, and ends up making discrimination of the anti-social kind.
Such an individual who takes the 'words' of his religion too seriously, would not mind going around killing in the name of jihad.
Same goes for hinduism. Hindu nationalism is the benign side of the hindutva political platform. If you were to see the militant side, you will know that there is no diff b/w some certain individuals who practice either hinduism or islam in that respect
If one wants to create an ideology for a cause, he will use all sources to justify it, even benign sources. It is the fault of the man doing the discrimination, not god, not gurus, not religion.
It is the ideology that needs to be addressed, not thru political power, not money power, not thru violence, not by force.
At the social level, if discrimination of a particular kind is practiced, it is not wrong to point that out. In the hope that it is not practiced anymore.
And that certainly does not mean that one needs to practice discrimination himself. That wud by an oxymoron incongruous argument.
Regards.
Last edited:
Sri.Anand,
Now that Sri.Dr.S.Ramanathan had not responded, I shall talk about my post in detail.
Sri.Dr.S.Ramanathan said
"....All of them require intergroup support for harmonious living in a society. At the same time, they require harmonious blending of body and mind for a healthy living.Thus, a Brahmana, who does very little physical activity,is symbolised by the mananam and uchchadanam done by his mukham, the intonations, pronounciations, Jadai,Ganam etc. Since this alone will not be enough physical exercise, heis adviced various yogas. Due to male chauvanism, when the yogas were discouraged for the ladies ( imagine Urdhwamahathandavam for Parvati?), Bharatamuni brought in the culture of Mudras anbd the dances for them.Since they dont do much exercise, frugal food was adviced for them and the need for material comfort was also less.Thus, the mouth was symbolic of the Brahmins or vice se versa.
You require a strong pair of arms to protect your clan and hence the arms represent the Kshatriyas....".
in that above assertion, I honestly do not see anything that a society would desperately need from brahmins. A society would need protection, trade and cultivation and all the work related to that. Time and time again I was told that brahmins taught all the other three varnas their related trade by the way of vedas. I could never agree to that. Majority of the Brahmins essentially did not get their hands dirty. I know, a minority of brahmins literally worked in the farms; took up arms etc. they were only exceptions. (I do not bring out an example that I would not do, by the way).
My example is far from trivial. When a vulnerable patient requires such services, possibly that patient's mobility would be compromised (due to extensive injuries; after a major surgery etc). More often than not such persons would likely have an in dwelling catheter (a tube inserted into the bladder to drain the urine into a bag). if such a person gets wiped in the wrong way (towards the genitals), or towards a wound, then that person would readily develop infections. this phenomenon was extensively studied; most efficient method was developed (The method includes psychological well being of the patient. You may imagine the distress one would go through if one is placed under such situation). Products were developed to protect the care provider and the patient from any kind of infections. It is huge subject in any hospital ( I don't know about Indian Hospitals though). Many research had been conducted on this subject. I just wanted to let you know that it is not trivial subject.
Cheers!
Now that Sri.Dr.S.Ramanathan had not responded, I shall talk about my post in detail.
Sri.Dr.S.Ramanathan said
"....All of them require intergroup support for harmonious living in a society. At the same time, they require harmonious blending of body and mind for a healthy living.Thus, a Brahmana, who does very little physical activity,is symbolised by the mananam and uchchadanam done by his mukham, the intonations, pronounciations, Jadai,Ganam etc. Since this alone will not be enough physical exercise, heis adviced various yogas. Due to male chauvanism, when the yogas were discouraged for the ladies ( imagine Urdhwamahathandavam for Parvati?), Bharatamuni brought in the culture of Mudras anbd the dances for them.Since they dont do much exercise, frugal food was adviced for them and the need for material comfort was also less.Thus, the mouth was symbolic of the Brahmins or vice se versa.
You require a strong pair of arms to protect your clan and hence the arms represent the Kshatriyas....".
in that above assertion, I honestly do not see anything that a society would desperately need from brahmins. A society would need protection, trade and cultivation and all the work related to that. Time and time again I was told that brahmins taught all the other three varnas their related trade by the way of vedas. I could never agree to that. Majority of the Brahmins essentially did not get their hands dirty. I know, a minority of brahmins literally worked in the farms; took up arms etc. they were only exceptions. (I do not bring out an example that I would not do, by the way).
My example is far from trivial. When a vulnerable patient requires such services, possibly that patient's mobility would be compromised (due to extensive injuries; after a major surgery etc). More often than not such persons would likely have an in dwelling catheter (a tube inserted into the bladder to drain the urine into a bag). if such a person gets wiped in the wrong way (towards the genitals), or towards a wound, then that person would readily develop infections. this phenomenon was extensively studied; most efficient method was developed (The method includes psychological well being of the patient. You may imagine the distress one would go through if one is placed under such situation). Products were developed to protect the care provider and the patient from any kind of infections. It is huge subject in any hospital ( I don't know about Indian Hospitals though). Many research had been conducted on this subject. I just wanted to let you know that it is not trivial subject.
Cheers!
Dear Raghy,
Firstly, apologies for calling this trivial which I now know is not. Probably your choice of examples made me think like that. I do understand everyone has got his/her own style.
On the question of Brahmins getting their hands "dirty" much can be written on it. I will try and be brief. Protection, trade and cultivation are no doubt very important. No less is the upkeep and maintenance of the spiritual side of humanity. The brahmins fundamental duty was religious and scriptural study and the duties he was required to perform for the welfare of the whole world. These included all the nithya karmas that he was supposed to follow. From a simple act of Sandhya (a form of thanksgiving) to pranayama and the various rituals the effect of which was for the welfare of humanity. This does not mean one is belittling the contributions of the other activities which you had mentioned. To follow his duties the brahmin was supposed to be poor, not accumulate wealth and do his karma. By karma he does daily the Pancha-mahayagnas (Brahmayagna, Devayagna, Pitryagna, Manusyayagna and Bhutayagna). Apart from this in varying intervals, he does the Pakayagnas, Haviryagnas and Somayagnas all totalling 40 in his lifetime. It is said that by the time the poor brahmin completes all the pancha-yagnas it will be 4 pm when he has his lunch. It is actually a hard grind.
So the brahmin is not getting his hands dirty by the traditional way we look at hands getting dirty. But he is supposed to be toiling for the welfare of the society in a different way. Now whether the brahmanas of kali-yuga are like that, if you ask me, the answer is a resounding No but scripturally that is what (the duties) is said for the brahmin. In fact the scriptures say that all Melechas are born as brahmins in Kali.
The problem with the activities pursued by the brahmin is they have been put in the "esoteric" category with no scientific proof. While a Kshatriya fighting for the country (winning vs. losing), a trader (profit vs. loss) and a shudra offering community services were quantifiable everyone thought the brahmin was hoodwinking others with his vague rituals and practices. I personally feel the foreign invasions dramatically reduced the role of brahmins with the brahmins themselves taking up other vocations. So they have to take part of the blame as well.
I am just responding to your point implying that the brahmins did was useless. The clergy is part of any society but what our religion did was to formalize it in the name of brahmins.
Firstly, apologies for calling this trivial which I now know is not. Probably your choice of examples made me think like that. I do understand everyone has got his/her own style.
On the question of Brahmins getting their hands "dirty" much can be written on it. I will try and be brief. Protection, trade and cultivation are no doubt very important. No less is the upkeep and maintenance of the spiritual side of humanity. The brahmins fundamental duty was religious and scriptural study and the duties he was required to perform for the welfare of the whole world. These included all the nithya karmas that he was supposed to follow. From a simple act of Sandhya (a form of thanksgiving) to pranayama and the various rituals the effect of which was for the welfare of humanity. This does not mean one is belittling the contributions of the other activities which you had mentioned. To follow his duties the brahmin was supposed to be poor, not accumulate wealth and do his karma. By karma he does daily the Pancha-mahayagnas (Brahmayagna, Devayagna, Pitryagna, Manusyayagna and Bhutayagna). Apart from this in varying intervals, he does the Pakayagnas, Haviryagnas and Somayagnas all totalling 40 in his lifetime. It is said that by the time the poor brahmin completes all the pancha-yagnas it will be 4 pm when he has his lunch. It is actually a hard grind.
So the brahmin is not getting his hands dirty by the traditional way we look at hands getting dirty. But he is supposed to be toiling for the welfare of the society in a different way. Now whether the brahmanas of kali-yuga are like that, if you ask me, the answer is a resounding No but scripturally that is what (the duties) is said for the brahmin. In fact the scriptures say that all Melechas are born as brahmins in Kali.
The problem with the activities pursued by the brahmin is they have been put in the "esoteric" category with no scientific proof. While a Kshatriya fighting for the country (winning vs. losing), a trader (profit vs. loss) and a shudra offering community services were quantifiable everyone thought the brahmin was hoodwinking others with his vague rituals and practices. I personally feel the foreign invasions dramatically reduced the role of brahmins with the brahmins themselves taking up other vocations. So they have to take part of the blame as well.
I am just responding to your point implying that the brahmins did was useless. The clergy is part of any society but what our religion did was to formalize it in the name of brahmins.
Dear Sri Raghy,
The development of the products and the knowledge about them that you are talking about is EDUCATION and this is achieved by interactive study between the teacher and the student, often the student at a higher questioning pedestal. This is the duty of Brahmana as a Varna and as distinct from Brahmin as a caste. I hope I am clear.
The Acharam, conventions etc have all the time changed and are changing. The only permanent thing in this world is CHANGE.
The Dalits and other backward classes have significantly improved in their status, education, etc, in pockets and in certain families. Unfortunately, the curse of Reservation has made them develop a "Railway passenger mentality",preventing others from entering in. If economy rather than caste status is the guiding factor for reservation, the country would have been better off long time back. The "Haves" wanting to "Have More" all the time, is indeed the curse.
Let me go back a little.In the early part of last century, the Justice party was in ascendancy. This helped uplifting certain castes, as a whole in Tamil Nadu, Andhra and to a lesser extent in Karnataka.Shortly after independence, a couple of other communities attained dizzy heights. There was no reservation for these communities then. They do not clamour for reservation either.But, after Reservations were introduced,have we seen upliftment of community as a whole or only of a few individyuals and their families only?. The caste fight and promotion is being carried out by these persons only for their political end and not by the Brahmins and much less by the Brahmana varna.
Regards and Respects,
Ramanathan.
The development of the products and the knowledge about them that you are talking about is EDUCATION and this is achieved by interactive study between the teacher and the student, often the student at a higher questioning pedestal. This is the duty of Brahmana as a Varna and as distinct from Brahmin as a caste. I hope I am clear.
The Acharam, conventions etc have all the time changed and are changing. The only permanent thing in this world is CHANGE.
The Dalits and other backward classes have significantly improved in their status, education, etc, in pockets and in certain families. Unfortunately, the curse of Reservation has made them develop a "Railway passenger mentality",preventing others from entering in. If economy rather than caste status is the guiding factor for reservation, the country would have been better off long time back. The "Haves" wanting to "Have More" all the time, is indeed the curse.
Let me go back a little.In the early part of last century, the Justice party was in ascendancy. This helped uplifting certain castes, as a whole in Tamil Nadu, Andhra and to a lesser extent in Karnataka.Shortly after independence, a couple of other communities attained dizzy heights. There was no reservation for these communities then. They do not clamour for reservation either.But, after Reservations were introduced,have we seen upliftment of community as a whole or only of a few individyuals and their families only?. The caste fight and promotion is being carried out by these persons only for their political end and not by the Brahmins and much less by the Brahmana varna.
Regards and Respects,
Ramanathan.
Sri.Anand,
Kindly refrain from apologising, please. There is no need. As I mentioned earlier, I am in full support for a caste brahmin to perform his nithya karmas. I am prepared to stand guard for him in case of any disturbances. I am not against that at all. But, he should contribute in a quantifiable fashion. Lots and lots of brahmins do that in the present age. I was talking about brahmins of bygone era. Every caste brahmin who is contributing to the society should feel proud. Performing nithya karma, pooja punaskarams are his personal rights. Actually such personal rights (which are not offending anyone) should be protected. That is my opinion.
Cheers!
Kindly refrain from apologising, please. There is no need. As I mentioned earlier, I am in full support for a caste brahmin to perform his nithya karmas. I am prepared to stand guard for him in case of any disturbances. I am not against that at all. But, he should contribute in a quantifiable fashion. Lots and lots of brahmins do that in the present age. I was talking about brahmins of bygone era. Every caste brahmin who is contributing to the society should feel proud. Performing nithya karma, pooja punaskarams are his personal rights. Actually such personal rights (which are not offending anyone) should be protected. That is my opinion.
Cheers!
Last edited:
I am actually for the brahmins of the bygone era, not the ones who did discrimination but the ones who did their karma in a selfless way. I feel their karma went beyond the personal welfare. It was for the good of humanity. Just like when we say "samastha lokah sukino bhavantu" it is for the good of the entire society. So even if a caste brahmin may not seen to be contributing in what the modern society see as "quantifiable", if he is still practices his karma without any discrimination then he is quite valuable in my opinion.
I appreciate your support for the brahmin.
I appreciate your support for the brahmin.
I am actually for the brahmins of the bygone era, not the ones who did discrimination but the ones who did their karma in a selfless way. I feel their karma went beyond the personal welfare. It was for the good of humanity. Just like when we say "samastha lokah sukino bhavantu" it is for the good of the entire society. So even if a caste brahmin may not seen to be contributing in what the modern society see as "quantifiable", if he is still practices his karma without any discrimination then he is quite valuable in my opinion.
I appreciate your support for the brahmin.
I appreciate your support for the brahmin.
RVR
0
Caste based reservations has divided the society instead of uniting it. I thing division of haves and havenots would have served better purpose. Rich can become poor and poor can become rich. In a cycle it will happen. In my village lot of poor people of past have grown rich. Lot of rich families have become mediocre. I think it is natural cycle which no body can prevent. But caste is tagged at birth stage and is not removed even for subsequent generations.
Every country has variety of people. Probably a small intellectual section guides the majority. Honesty is exhibited by all the section. But in India corruption has spread its wings every where and development has taken the back seat. It is high time intellectuals of all communities unite and bring the country to fast track all round development.
All the best
present day youth have no one to guide them , or answer their queries.Even about their nithya karmas every one should perform, is not clear and doubts in the mind of our youth
are not cleared as they do not know where or whom to ask. Let this forum become a platform to answer the questions about rituals and daily karmas.
jayanthisridharan
Some jobs, like those in burial grounds, were not done by all 4 varnas.
All varnas are man made and so was the outcaste section.
Possibly (and does look highly likely that) the outcaste section was "created" last in the social organization structure.
As towns grew into citites, the outcaste section was needed to clean sewers, and do all forms of menial jobs...so it helped to have a workforce of that kind..
RVR
0
`Legal' has become more relevant than `spiritual'.
Mahatma Gandhi said `God has no religion'. So I didn't include religion.
All the best
RVR
0
The world has become more materialistic and spiritual has already taken a back seat.
Almost all religions sell their own brand of `spirituality'
Religion has become big `business'
But no body is suppose to violate the `Law of the land'
All the best
- Status
Share this page
Share this page
Latest ads
-
Free [Bride Wanted] Brahmin Bride wanted in the UK or EuropeLooking for some UK or Europe based Iyer Brahmin bride
- Kalyan Ram Srinivasan (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires
-
For sale [Property for Sale] Land adjacent to ECR Vettuvankeni Chennai4300 sqft rectangular land
- raghusubramanian (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires
-
-
Wanted [Want to Buy] Agraharam HouseWant to buy Agraharam House - Brokers / Developers excuse
- ramsrini (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
-
Wanted Luxury Retirement Home in CoimbatoreMinimum 2Bedoom 2bathroom with balcony- prasad1 (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated: