Is the caste system weakness of Hinduism?

[Raghy]

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present day youth have no one to guide them , or answer their queries.Even about their nithya karmas every one should perform, is not clear and doubts in the mind of our youth
are not cleared as they do not know where or whom to ask. Let this forum become a platform to answer the questions about rituals and daily karmas.

jayanthisridharan

Sow.Sri.Jayanthi Sridharan,

In this site there are youngsters actively taking part about rituals, poojas, ceremonies, temples etc. There are few of them. Since I do not know all of them, to avoid dissappointment amoungst the youngsters, I am not mentioning anyone's name in particular.

Cheers!

 

[B.Krishnamurthy]

Is the caste system weakness of Hinduism.

Sir,(TO ALL LEARNED SCHOLARS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS DISCUSSION)
While I perform AMAVASYA THARPAN I notice that I am required to say the following after recalling ancestors both from father's side and mother's side for three generation above my generation in the concluding portion
" YESHAM NA MATHA,NA PITHA,NA BRATHA, NA CHA BHANDAVA:
THEY SARVE THRIPTIMAYANTHU MAYODTH SRUSTAI: KUSHODHAKAI:"
I want to know whether the above verse denote only other 'Brahmins' who come under this category or all the persons from all communities or all human beings in this universe.
Keenly awaiting vlarification from learned persons,
B.Krishnamurthy

 

[B.Krishnamurthy]

Is the caste system weakness of Hinduism.

Sir,(TO ALL LEARNED SCHOLARS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS DISCUSSION)
While I perform AMAVASYA THARPAN I notice that I am required to say the following after recalling ancestors both from father's side and mother's side for three generation above my generation in the concluding portion
" YESHAM NA MATHA,NA PITHA,NA BRATHA, NA CHA BHANDAVA:
THEY SARVE THRIPTIMAYANTHU MAYODTH SRUSTAI: KUSHODHAKAI:"
I want to know whether the above verse denote only other 'Brahmins' who come under this category or all the persons from all communities or all human beings in this universe.
Keenly awaiting clarification from learned persons,
B.Krishnamurthy

 

[kunjuppu]

Sow.Sri.Jayanthi Sridharan,

In this site there are youngsters actively taking part about rituals, poojas, ceremonies, temples etc. There are few of them. Since I do not know all of them, to avoid dissappointment amoungst the youngsters, I am not mentioning anyone's name in particular.

Cheers!

raghy,

i agree with you, and admire these as a superior kind.

people like me have no ritual training proper. what little we did, was done, without any deep faith, and also indifferently.

i think parents can only show by example. if the youth follows it, it is good.

if parents do not do rituals, but if the youth do it, it is superior. but, i sincerely hope, that these youth, in addition to religiosity, are upto date in the norms of the modern world, and not பத்தாம் பசலி types.

today's youth have to bridge both worlds. be comfortable in modern high tech stuff and able to socialize at the 21st century level. also practise religiosity at home to the extent to get the spiritual bearing to deal with the secular world.

good stuff TB youths

 

[RVR]

Reservation on economic basis gets Kerala HC nod

It is an interesting development.

Kerala Highcourt bench has upheld the order of Kerala Government for reservation to economically poor among the socalled forward caste students.

Reservation on economic basis gets Kerala HC nod - Chennai - City - The Times of India

It is a welcome change. Since communists are ruling Kerala, caste based politics is taking the back seat and economic disparity is coming to the front stage.

Kudos to Kerala Government and Highcourt.

All the best

 

[happyhindu]

It is an interesting development.

Kerala Highcourt bench has upheld the order of Kerala Government for reservation to economically poor among the socalled forward caste students.

Reservation on economic basis gets Kerala HC nod - Chennai - City - The Times of India

It is a welcome change. Since communists are ruling Kerala, caste based politics is taking the back seat and economic disparity is coming to the front stage.

Kudos to Kerala Government and Highcourt.

All the best

yes, good news...kerala is ahead in literacy, now reservations reversal...

hope someday all forms of reservations disapper and a person's innate proclivities and meritocracy decides his/her future....

 

[happyhindu]

Thanks for the link Shri RVR ji. I had not read the link yesterday, but i read it just now. Its a good move. Hope other states will also follow the same soon.

 

[Dr.S.Ramanathan]

caste system

Dear Ms.Jayanti Sridharan and Sri. Krishnamurthy,

The Nithyakarmas are many and elaborate to suite the duties of the Brahmin and has been modified and condensed from time to time to merely say Namasankeertanam, if that is all the time one has. Anything donewith sincerity and devotion is acceptable to God. In this connection, I would invite you to my post on Glory of Vishnusahasranamam and the appendix on Vedas and gayatri, posted in this website, under the forum "Literature", bringing out the importance of AUM and the sound of silence.
Reg. Tarpanam, "Yesham na mata...". refers to everybody, including the relatives. Those who would have performed Sraddha at Gaya would have noted that you offer pindas to everybody whom you care for,without restriction on caste or creed. Of course, the no of pindams you offer to your mother, recapitulating one by one what all she had done for you and what all troubles you had given her in the womb, would make even the hardest criminal cry uncontrollably.
The Hindu religion prays for and thanks everyone in everyone of their ritual, starting from the mother to the unknown person who may have been your beneficiary, irrespective of caste or creed.
Regards and arespects to all.
Ramanathan.

 

[pannvalan]

What about reservation in employment, for the economically weaker sections amongst the FCs?

 

[Dr.S.Ramanathan]

In the previous posting I forgot to mention two points.
The caste based reservation system continued indefinitely and which will be continued ad infinitim, should be stopped immdtly. If at all, it can be on economic criteria, for a limited period, with no scope for any extension at all. Communities as a whole should be uplifted and not on the criteria of Rly compt first occoupied, continues to be held.
Reg.Nityakarmas, it is best to follow the Golden advice given by Paramacharyal of Kanchipeetam. Follow the practice followed by the elders in the household. The problem comes up when the current middle generation do not follow any Karmas, the younger interested generation do not have any fall back arrangement and then the system collapses. Chanting Gayatri is the only salvation, as far as I can see.
Regards and Respects,
Ramanathan.

 

[RVR]

In the previous posting I forgot to mention two points.
The caste based reservation system continued indefinitely and which will be continued ad infinitim, should be stopped immdtly. If at all, it can be on economic criteria, for a limited period, with no scope for any extension at all. Communities as a whole should be uplifted and not on the criteria of Rly compt first occoupied, continues to be held.

Reg.Nityakarmas, it is best to follow the Golden advice given by Paramacharyal of Kanchipeetam. Follow the practice followed by the elders in the household. The problem comes up when the current middle generation do not follow any Karmas, the younger interested generation do not have any fall back arrangement and then the system collapses. Chanting Gayatri is the only salvation, as far as I can see.
Regards and Respects,
Ramanathan.

Regarding caste based reservation, education is the most important point as off now. Our community is not looking to Government jobs anymore and hence we don't have to bother about employment.

UP and Kerala Governments have brought economic criteria in the educational institutions which is a welcome sign. Let us hope other state governments as well as Central government follow the same in the future.

All the best

 

[pannvalan]

I disagree on this point.

1. Only in State governments, employing FCs has come down drastically.

2. Even today, in Central government departments (SSC/UPSC), the FCs are
recruited in large numbers - may not be to the scale as it was 4 decades ago.

3. Similarly, in Central PSUs, banks and insurance companies, FCs get recruited,in
large numbers.

But, both 2 and 3 are based on pure merit and nothing else.

4. Whether we like it or not, the government departments and quasi govt institutions
continue to guide our destiny to a great extent. Therefore, non-participation of
FCs in these will not do any good to the FCs. On the contrary, there is every
likelihood of the FCs being wronged in many ways. How are we going to confront
them?

 

[RVR]

I disagree on this point.

1. Only in State governments, employing FCs on economic criterion has come down
drastically.

2. Even today, in Central government departments (SSC/UPSC), the FCs are
recruited in large numbers - may not be to the scale as it was 4 decades ago.

3. Similarly, in Central PSUs, banks and insurance companies, FCs get recruited,in
large numbers.

But, both 2 and 3 are based on pure merit and nothing else.

4. Whether we like it or not, the government departments and quasi govt institutions
continue to guide our destiny to a great extent. Therefore, non-participation of
FCs in these will not do any good to the FCs. On the contrary, there is every
likelihood of the FCs being wronged in many ways. How are we going to confront
them?

I just pointed out the priority of educational institutions first. Central Government & its undertakings continues to attract all communities including FCs.

Upto plus two level, there is no discrimination but subsequent to that all problems starts. It is high time such discrimination is eliminated first.

All the best

 

[Nara]

....Upto plus two level, there is no discrimination but subsequent to that all problems starts. It is high time such discrimination is eliminated first.

The Hindu : States / Tamil Nadu : Dalit youth allegedly made to eat human excreta

 

[RVR]

The Hindu : States / Tamil Nadu : Dalit youth allegedly made to eat human excreta

I read this news yesterday itself. It has to be condemned and the culprits must be punished.

Definitely TB community is not involved in the incident.

All the best

 

[Nara]

....Definitely TB community is not involved in the incident.

Oh, yea, I must have forgotten to mention, TB "community" is no doubt not involved in this incident, they never want to get their hands dirty.

Cheers!

 

[sapthajihva]

Hello Shri Nara,

Fancied article indeed! It seems that this case is one of instigation, if nothing else.

It remains only an allegation, and promptly our reporters have ensured that it occupys a news space!

Other things to note are that the purported attackers are 'Thevar christians' - an oxymoron. They could be either Thevars or christians, but this....:nono:

People have been bred on the 'caste discriminates' fervour, that they are ready to jump to conclusions even before the other party has a say. It is now too easy for the so-called dalits to take vendetta.

And of course, the highlight is that you have taken this as an example in the context of this thread...

Regards,

 

[sapthajihva]

Oh, yea, I must have forgotten to mention, TB "community" is no doubt not involved in this incident, they never want to get their hands dirty.

Sir, that is quite an offensive statement...

 

[RVR]

Oh, yea, I must have forgotten to mention, TB "community" is no doubt not involved in this incident, they never want to get their hands dirty.

Cheers!

TB community is a peace loving community. Naturally they will not get involved in dirty incidents like this.

All the best

 

[RVR]

Hello Shri Nara,

Fancied article indeed! It seems that this case is one of instigation, if nothing else.

It remains only an allegation, and promptly our reporters have ensured that it occupys a news space!

Other things to note are that the purported attackers are 'Thevar christians' - an oxymoron. They could be either Thevars or christians, but this....:nono:

People have been bred on the 'caste discriminates' fervour, that they are ready to jump to conclusions even before the other party has a say. It is now too easy for the so-called dalits to take vendetta.

And of course, the highlight is that you have taken this as an example in the context of this thread...

Regards,

Shri Sapthajihva,

I am surprised why the christians of erstwhile Thevar community is getting involved in such incidents. Is it a deliberate attempt to divide the hindu society?

All the best

 

[Nara]

...And of course, the highlight is that you have taken this as an example in the context of this thread...

Hello Saptha, you know I did read the article before posting it here and knew very well the incident was an alleged one, and the alleged perpetrators are reported to be Christians.

I thought the reported spat between Dalits and Thevar "Christians" is very appropriate to this thread. This caste system is so ingrained into the Indian psyche that it follows one even after abandoning Hinduism, like the so called subtle body following the alleged soul.

Also, if you buy into the BJP mode of thinking, this culture they call Hindutva culture, with origins in the Hindu religious tradition, cannot be easily shaken by simply embracing a different religion.

So, the culprit is this caste system, a gift to mankind from Sanatana Dharma, and it is a weakness to all who follow it.

Cheers!

 

[pannvalan]

Professor,

I noted the sarcasm in your statements. I join Sapthajihva to caution you that you have been making many offensive statements. I thought you being a staunch vaishnavite, your views wiil be balanced and arguments will look fair, reasonable, unbiased and decent. But of late, your posts have been belying our expectations.

You also claim that were born into a brahmin family by accident. I just think if you would have got the courage to say this before your parents and family elders before you attained the age of 15.

You also claim that you do not follow any brahmin - nay, even Hindu customs, as they are discriminatory in nature, afflicted by casteism etc.

Please stand firm on your pedestal, before indulging in scathing criticism of everything Hindu or Brahmin or both.

I have begun to feel that you have exhausted your resources, as far this forum is concerned.

I'm truly sorry, American Professor.

 

[Nara]

...I noted the sarcasm in your statements.

Dear Sir, I am not the first to use some sarcasm in this forum. It has been used against me, and I don't mind it one bit.

I have never concealed my antecedents in anyway. So far, I have engaged in several debates and let those who crossed words with me say whether I have been disrespectful to any of them. What I say may be unpalatable, but that is the nature of truth, sometimes.

If you feel I am in the wrong in any of what I have said in this forum please jump in and challenge me. The kind of ad hominem you have doled out is not constructive. Do you really don't have anything more serious than this?

" I just think if you would have got the courage to say this before your parents and family elders before you attained the age of 15."​

I am not here to live up to anyone's expectations. Truth often is offensive to the establishment. You can try and shut me up. But that will not alter the truth.

Thanks....

p.s. Whatever made you feel I am "staunch vaishnavite", and why should that make any difference?

 

[pannvalan]

Sarcasm is like a slow poison. Many will not realise its depth and reach, for quite some time. In contrast, even open duel - verbal - is better, because everyone understands what is conveyed immediately and correctly.

Sarcasm always has a tinge of arrogance in it. It underestimates the opponent/s and mocks at their intelligence and strength.

Healthy debates surely benefits all, in varying measures. But, sermons and idealistic speeches make everyone to stick to their guns only.

No separate disrespect needs to be shown to the persons on the other side. Repetitive sarcasm and implicit ridicule will do that job quite neatly and perfectly.

 

[Nara]

.... Healthy debates surely benefits all, in varying measures. But, sermons and idealistic speeches make everyone to stick to their guns only.

Sir, get into it and debate me if you have disagreement, do not throw darts at me.

Repetitive sarcasm and implicit ridicule will do that job quite neatly and perfectly.

Direct this to those who indulge in such tactics. If you think I indulge in such behavior, prove it, do not just assert it.

Thanks ....