Jayalalithaa convicted, found guilty! Sentencing at 3 p.m. today

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Law of Retribution:

Most unfortunate. Why a hard working and efficient person who is trying to do so much of good to the common people some times have to suffer ? The answer is in his/her past actions.

Swami Sivananda Saraswathi in his article Law of Retribution says:

"Every wrong action or crime brings its own punishment, in accordance with the law of retribution. The law of causation, the law of action and reaction, the law of compensation and the law of retribution-all these operate together. He who robs another man robs himself. He who hurts another man hurts himself first. He who cheats another cheats himself first. Every wrong action causes punishment first in the inner nature or soul and externally in circumstances in the form of pain, misery, loss, failure, misfortune, disease, etc."

Please read this wonderful article in the following website:
Law of Retribution


Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Sri Brahmanyan

Based on what you know do you think this was a wrongful conviction?

Why bring law of Karma when regular laws of the land will do?

If JJ is thought to be innocent then the wrongful conviction may be explained away with law of Karma.

But from what little I know it seems there are mountains of evidence against JJ which is why she is convicted.

She may have done good to people using tax payer's money. So what, and if she is hardworking that is expected of anyone seeking highest office in a state.

 

[tks]

People who themselves have 'grown up' and fostered corruption in their lives tend to be sympathetic to JJ for getting convicted.

Let me amend this based on vgane's comments: I am not saying all those who support JJ are corrupt (my statement was about the reverse)

 

[vgane]

People who themselves have 'grown up' and fostered corruption in their lives tend to be sympathetic to JJ for getting convicted.

That's a very harsh statement on those who support JJ...Why does the common man in the streets is crying for her and supporting her..Those who are fighting to get one bowl of rice are among her die hard fans....The poor, women and handicapped are vouching for her...Is making a comparison about other big fish that have not been touched by the laws of the land indicating complicity?

As it is the educated class is not able to bring the desired transformation...JJ was brought to politics to finish off another Rakshas politically..His fangs are cut and he is on life support now

 

[tks]

That's a very harsh statement on those who support JJ...Why does the common man in the streets is crying for her and supporting her..Those who are fighting to get one bowl of rice are among her die hard fans....The poor, women and handicapped are vouching for her...Is making a comparison about other big fish that have not been touched by the laws of the land indicating complicity?

As it is the educated class is not able to bring the desired transformation...JJ was brought to politics to finish off another Rakshas politically..His fangs are cut and he is on life support now

Based on your statement I have amended the original post.

All people who support JJ are not corrupt - I did not even imply that.
But those who view corruption as a way of life and does not think it is a big deal tend to be sympathetic to JJ.

JJ may have done good with public money but stealing that for own use in large amount by someone in power cannot be condoned.

I am sure there are far worse corrupt politicians. I hope this is the start of going after many more. Why should people settle for less?

I am sure competent and honest people are out there who can rule the state well

 

[krish44]

people in foreign countries are not in touch with ground realities in india and mouth foul things out of sheer ignorance .

persons like JJ who have endeared themselves to the poorest of the poor thru their work cannot be appreciated by well fed monsters created and nurtured by western society

vganeji, no sense in joining in a dialog with these types.

we have modi and other spin doctors to take care of this type of american indians.

they deserve Modis' bhashan in pucca hindi and tulsi water from him for cleaning their souls.lol

 

[vgane]

Look at what the senior Journalist and editor of Thuglaq magazine has to say on JJ's conviction

[h=2]Special Court in Bangalore deals a big blow to the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, but analysts refuse to write her off[/h]
Every time her political rivals have written her off, Tamil Nadu's three time Chief Minister Jayalalithaa has made a comeback.
And so while AIADMK’s political rivals believe that Saturday’s verdict against Ms Jayalalithaa would be a permanent setback and weaken her hold over the party, political analysts refuse to endorse this assessment.
Veteran journalist and political analyst Cho Ramaswamy said though the judgment was a blow to her now, there was a lot of sympathy for Ms Jayalalithaa among the people. “The considered opinion of the legal experts is that legal avenues are available to her and she may come out unscathed in the future,” said Mr Ramaswamy, a long-time friend.
Mr Ramaswamy went on to say that Ms. Jayalalithaa’s political absence at this juncture would be a setback not to her but to the State, considering the political happenings in Tamil Nadu during the last regime of the DMK

Jayalalithaa unseated at her peak - The Hindu

 

[sarang]

Jaya is now punished for the highly visible corruption she did 15 years ago. (peanuts by today's standards and fraction what Karina & co did). She is a reformed leader now and adored by millions of poor who have benefitted. Unfortunately Karina and his family will escape because there is no case against them (except kani).

That's a very harsh statement on those who support JJ...Why does the common man in the streets is crying for her and supporting her..Those who are fighting to get one bowl of rice are among her die hard fans....The poor, women and handicapped are vouching for her...Is making a comparison about other big fish that have not been touched by the laws of the land indicating complicity?

As it is the educated class is not able to bring the desired transformation...JJ was brought to politics to finish off another Rakshas politically..His fangs are cut and he is on life support now

 

[tbs]

hi

is it karma?....or karuna's saapa?...lol

 

[tbs]

hi

is it karma?....or karuna's saapa?..may be tears of dharmapuri incident?......lol

 

[vgane]

hi

is it karma?....or karuna's saapa?..may be tears of dharmapuri incident?......lol

Fox Karinai sappa will not have any impact..May be karma..May be over ambition..May be ego...But there are no voices against her last 2 regimes save the Acharyaal arrest in previous term!

 

[drb]

JJ has done so many good things as a CM.

 

[sarang]

True. But she was cursed by almost everybody for the arrest of sankaracharya (not just arrest, but pronouncing him guilty in the assembly) and lavish wedding and forced property acquisition by sasikala. Gangai amaran (ilayaraja's brother) said in a tv programme how he was threatened and forced to sell his property to sasikala. Cho has opined that the legal opinion is in her favour and she may get a reprieve.

Fox Karinai sappa will not have any impact..May be karma..May be over ambition..May be ego...But there are no voices against her last 2 regimes save the Acharyaal arrest in previous term!

 

[Jaykay767]

Swamy is not the sutradari but only a chess pan !! Jaya for opposing consistentlyon Lanka issue, Mamta in Sharada Scam, Uddhav sidelined.

 

[Jaykay767]

Vgane – Some people love to throw salt on other people’swounds & enjoy at their expense. Don’tbother. Leave it to Karma.

 

[mkrishna100]

It seems now Ram Jethmalani will appear for JJ for her appeal in Bangalore High Court . JJs political future depends upon the type of relief she gets from the Bangalore High Court . BTW DMK need not celebrate too much as the 2G case is still underway and Maran Brothers have their own set of problems (misuse of BSNL , Aircell Maxis case, Spicejet in doldrums etc etc ) .

 

[tks]

Jaya is now punished for the highly visible corruption she did 15 years ago. (peanuts by today's standards and fraction what Karina & co did). She is a reformed leader now and adored by millions of poor who have benefitted. Unfortunately Karina and his family will escape because there is no case against them (except kani).

There may be more sympathy because she is perhaps a reformed leader and there are other scoundrels who are untouched.
But even the scale of corruption mentioned though peanut by today's standards should outrage people. It is a sad commentary if people accept the status quo , in which case they deserve the government they have.

Some of my friends who rose to very high level in their Government jobs are not rich (I do not want to mention names to avoid personally identifiable information here). They did not make much money though they had lot of power and influence before retirement.

Therefore if anyone is talking about having lot of money and investments while having had a life of employment in a government of India setting they are most likely corrupt to the core. Though many may be still working or retired (and even senile) now I hope there is a system of justice put in place that goes after all of them.

One way to feel better about JJ is if other corrupt people in key positions are also put in jail.

 

[sarang]

Our dharma permits prayaschittham. I think even western legal systems permit social and community service for some types of crimes.

 

[Jaykay767]

well don't be surprised about hearings postponed, bail denied, delays, etc..

 

[CHANDRU1849]

JJ has done so many good things as a CM.

Especially the way in which she handled the Acharyas' case.

 

[tks]

Our dharma permits prayaschittham. I think even western legal systems permit social and community service for some types of crimes.

For Prayaschittam to be applicable there has to be total acknowledgement of the crimes committed.

If the entire system stops with just punishing JJ it will be unfair.

MK and his sons/daughter have to pay a price for all the looting they have done also.

Only in the context of preventing crimes against people can punishment of anyone is justified.

 

[krish44]

jj has the right of appeal. our legal brains such as jethmalani will find a way out .

it will be good for the poor in tamilnadu if it happens.

the alternatives are much worse.

 

[mkrishna100]

There is no immediate threat to JJ's Political future as long as her appeal is in the High Court . JJ continues to enjoy mass support and AIADMK is intact with a very comfortable majority in the TN Assembly so no problem in the day to day Governance issues even if Mr.Paneer Selvam is the CM . The problem to JJ will be more only when the High Court rejects her appeal and does not tone down her sentence . We will have to wait and watch how this case is handled in the Bangalore High Court . It seems Senior Advocate and former Law Minister Sri Ram Jethmalani will appear for her . He has already expressed publicly his displeasure over the verdict given to JJ and says it is too harsh . Will have to wait and see .

 

[Brahmanyan]

Jayalalithaa convicted, found guilty! Sentencing at 3 p.m

Sri Brahmanyan

Based on what you know do you think this was a wrongful conviction?
Why bring law of Karma when regular laws of the land will do?
If JJ is thought to be innocent then the wrongful conviction may be explained away with law of Karma.
But from what little I know it seems there are mountains of evidence against JJ which is why she is convicted.
She may have done good to people using tax payer's money. So what, and if she is hardworking that is expected of anyone seeking highest office in a state.

Dear Sri "tks",

No, I am not passing comments on the judgement. I do not know the details of judgement, neither the
evidence considered for the decision of the Hon. Judge. However I believe the law of Karma is eternal
and it acts on all our actions. Our "puranas" and epics relate the cause of suffering to our own actions.
In other Yugas the cause and effect may continue from birth to birth, but in the Kali Yuga, the "account"
is settled (though delayed) during the lifetime itself.

The Holy Bible also says:

7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. (Galatians 6:7-8)

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[Kuvalayavalli]

Dear Sri "tks",

No, I am not passing comments on the judgement. I do not know the details of judgement, neither the
evidence considered for the decision of the Hon. Judge. However I believe the law of Karma is eternal
and it acts on all our actions. Our "puranas" and epics relate the cause of suffering to our own actions.
In other Yugas the cause and effect may continue from birth to birth, but in the Kali Yuga, the "account"
is settled (though delayed) during the lifetime itself.

The Holy Bible also says:

7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. (Galatians 6:7-8)

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Sri Brahmanyan,

You have quoted the perfect verse but I trust you thought more than twice before quoting from the Bible lest you be branded a convert to christianity by some narrow minded folks in this forum who will hasten to do that.

 

[BRAHMACHARI]

"AAADIYA AAATTAM ENNA. THEDIYA SELVAM ENNA......". Perhaps their money will bail them out. In TN, 'panam paadhalam varaikkum paayume'.