Jayalalithaa convicted, found guilty! Sentencing at 3 p.m. today

[Brahmanyan]

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Jayalalithaa convicted, found guilty! Sentencing at 3 p.m

Sri Brahmanyan,

You have quoted the perfect verse but I trust you thought more than twice before quoting from the Bible lest you be branded a convert to christianity by some narrow minded folks in this forum who will hasten to do that.

Madam,
My motto in life is "Sapere Aude(Dare to be wise)
Here are the words of Poet Rabhinranath Tagore from Gitanjali which I cherish much:

Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee
Into ever-widening thought and action
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.


Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[tks]

Dear Sri "tks",

No, I am not passing comments on the judgement. I do not know the details of judgement, neither the
evidence considered for the decision of the Hon. Judge. However I believe the law of Karma is eternal
and it acts on all our actions. Our "puranas" and epics relate the cause of suffering to our own actions.
In other Yugas the cause and effect may continue from birth to birth, but in the Kali Yuga, the "account"
is settled (though delayed) during the lifetime itself.

The Holy Bible also says:

7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. (Galatians 6:7-8)

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Thanks for sharing your views, Sri Brahmanyan

 

[biswa]

Our dharma permits prayaschittham. I think even western legal systems permit social and community service for some types of crimes.

The prayaschittham is by serving the jail sentence. Seriously. Otherwise how do we know whether the repentance is true or false? What if other religions dont offer prayaschittham?

 

[krish44]

new govt headed by OPS went thru a tearful ceremony of swearing in watched by JJ in prison

OPS set the mood by weeping uncontollably first . Others taking the cue, Followed the tear route to swearing in.

JJs followers will shed tears , undergo fasting and other hardships for their dear AMMA as prayaschittam

others in tamilnadu will not see films today as cinema industry is also observing fast and cinemas are closed

so it is statewide prayaschittam.

TBs will feel happy?

 

[Brahmanyan]

The prayaschittham is by serving the jail sentence. Seriously. Otherwise how do we know whether the repentance is true or false? What if other religions dont offer prayaschittham?

All Religions offer methods seeking forgiveness of God, which is called in so many names like Prayschitham, Confession, atonement, or repentance:

CHRISTIANITY:
In Christian Catholic teaching, the Sacrament of Penance is the method of the Church by which individual men and women may confess sins committed after baptism and have them absolved by a priest. The Catholic rite is usually conducted within a confessional box, booth or reconciliation room. This sacrament is known by many names, including penance, reconciliation and confession . While official Church refer to the sacrament as "Penance", "Reconciliation" or "Penance and Reconciliation", many laypeople continue to use the term "Confession" in reference to the Sacrament.

JUDAISM:
Among Orthodox Jews Confession is included in their prayers that are recited three times a day directly to God rather than to a Rabbi (priest). But there is no set time for confession.

"In the prayer book, there are different times when we are asking forgiveness from God. God doesn't have open or closed hours in heaven, so a person can pray at any time. What God always likes is action: Do something to fix it."

ISLAM:
Unlike other religions, Islam does not believe man is born a sinner.
There are sins against God and sins against creation in Islam, Both need to be confessed to God with true repentance, but there also needs to be reconciliation and/or restitution in the second case.
The Repentance is called Tawba a Quranic Arabic word meaning “a retreat”
There are three conditions for true repentance.
Stop doing the wrong immediately.
Regret doing the sin.
Give God the confidence and promise that you're not going to do it again.
The fourth condition, if the sin is between a person and creation, like the stolen car example, is to make restitution.
"One of God's 99 names is "Most Forgiving," (Al-Ghafur). "That means that if anyone wants to repent, he should ask for repentance from God only. Not from a prophet or angel or pious man or imam. He must only ask God. We don't have a middle man or a mediator in Islam."

ZORASHTRANISM:
An original good work eradicates original sin, and the growth of a good work eradicates the growth of a sin.

It seems all Religions prescribe methods of atonement for the acts of sin.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[ShivKC]

Vinay vithithavan vinay aruppan!!!

What Amma is encountering is far less than what she made to our Aacharyalls..

Be thankful, the Karnataka boys have not made her to sit in the floors of court complex grounds, unlike what she made accharyals to sit in red sand ground soil..

Thats her karma time now.. What goes around should come around..

 

[biswa]

In response to Mr. Brahmanyan's post: Sure it is fine if the accused individual tries to reach some understanding with his/her God. But that does not absolve his/her crime. I for one would not be satisfied if somebody harms my family and then just starts praying to God.

Jews and Muslims are clear: Eye for an eye and hand cut off for stealing, stoning for adultery. Even Christians devised the current legal system where nobody is exempt from the law.

Only Hindus have these ancient ideas that some people are exempt even if they commit crimes.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Sri Brahmanyan,

You have quoted the perfect verse but I trust you thought more than twice before quoting from the Bible lest you be branded a convert to christianity by some narrow minded folks in this forum who will hasten to do that.

It shows your frustration.

Hindus are generally very generous, quoting Bible or Koran, apart from their own religious texts. Branding will take place only if a Christian or Muslim quotes the other religious books for the sake of reference.

I am sure from your next post, you will begin with Inshan Allah and ends with Allah u Akbar.

 

[biswa]

Mr. Chandru is right, it just shows the narrow-mindedness of Hindus converted to Christianity.

I am a Hindu and I can recite the whole Lord's (Christian) prayer in its entirety. Nothing special about me. It just shows the open-mindedness and inquisitiveness of Hindus in general, just like Mr. Brahmanyan has demonstrated.

Now let's how many verses of Hanuman Chalisa or slokas from Gita that a Muslim or Christian can recite.

 

[renuka]

Now let's how many verses of Hanuman Chalisa or slokas from Gita that a Muslim or Christian can recite.

Dr APJ Abdul Kalam in extremely learned in Hinduism.

Singer Dr Jesudas sings all about Hinduism.

 

[tks]

Mr. Chandru is right, it just shows the narrow-mindedness of Hindus converted to Christianity.

I am a Hindu and I can recite the whole Lord's (Christian) prayer in its entirety. Nothing special about me. It just shows the open-mindedness and inquisitiveness of Hindus in general, just like Mr. Brahmanyan has demonstrated.

Now let's how many verses of Hanuman Chalisa or slokas from Gita that a Muslim or Christian can recite.

Sri Biswa

I met a person (in USA) in a Hindu temple and there was a lecture near by going on as well.

He was very friendly and was looking forward to going to India as part of some missionary work he enrolled himself in.

He came to the Hindu temple to do some 'opposition research' so he can show more knowledge than an average Indian!

The Muslims do quote Indian scriptures and seeming contradictions. They know more about Lingam worship to tell the average Hindu why his practices are barbaric (though incorrectly and not what Sri Vivekananda and other saints talked about). Some of the websites show in depth understanding of apparent contradictions that can floor an average Hindu !

My point is that some Muslims and Christians can quote Hindu scriptures with eloquence but the motivation is to either say their teaching already covers and more or to show contradictions in order to convert.

The trouble is that most Hindus unless well versed in our scriptures cannot answer some of their questions which are well researched !

 

[vgane]

This is a part of a write up by Political commentator Gnani in Times of India..It is a candid assessment of Corruption ...This was initiated by MuKa in a scientific manner...But it is his opponent who is now on the wrong side of law..May be a travesty! But that is politics!!

Indictment and imprison ment of a chief minister for conspiring and amassing disproportionate wealth misusing power and position should have happened nearly 35 years ago in Tamil Nadu. But better late than never is definitely a consolation for anyone disgusted with the corruption entrenched in Tamil society and government.

Thirty five years ago, Jayalalithaa was fading from public eye, having lost her space in the tinsel world and yet to be initiated into politics. She even ventured to produce a film to project herself, which bombed, and was reinventing herself as a writer contributing short stories and features to Tamil magazines.

Her present bete noire and DMK chief Karunanidhi and his erstwhile cabinet colleagues were then trying to wriggle out of corruption cases filed against them following the Sarkaria commission's severe indictments. The inquiry was instituted by Indira Gandhi when she dismissed the DMK government in 1976 during Emergency and arrested its leaders under the draconian MISA. In a strange twist of fate, Indira was voted out of power in the elections she ordered in 1977 while Karunanidhi and DMK, despite aligning with the victorious anti-Indira front, the Janata party , were defeated in the state. The new prime minister, Morarji Desai, refused to drop the cases filed following Sarkaria's findings. His government fell due to internal dissensions within three years and Indira made a comeback. This time Karunanidhi astutely aligned with her and the cases were dropped.

If only those cases had gone through the due process of law and if only severe laws like the ones now in place existed then, politics in TN and even India would have been different. One can only speculate on the kind of governance MGR would have provided if he saw before his eyes some of his erstwhile col leagues being convicted and sent to prison and getting barred from contesting elections.

'Tamil society awaits credible alternative' - The Times of India

 

[sarang]

Karuna is discreet and covers his back. Jaya was loud, flashy and visibly corrupt. The lavish wedding of her adopted son with shivaji ganesan's grand daughter was an eye sore and despised by many. She allowed sasikala to roam free and threaten anybody. Even sankaracharya got into her bad books for not giving away land and medical college to her/sasikala combine. There is enough material to write a book on the kanchi case and jaya's unwanted push in the case.

Even in the 2G case, though swamy claims karuna got 3000 crores, only 250 is disputed as facilitation money against raj and kanimozhi in kalaignar tv.

Only if US govt helps in tracing the money trail, all the corrupt can be nabbed and punished. Hope modi got an undertaking from obama in this.

 

[krish44]

to say that karuna got only 200 crores out of 3000 cr is like the claim of a girl who claimed that she had been virgin before marriage except once.lol

 

[sarang]

National Herald case: HC to hear plea of Sonia, Rahul on Nov 3

It is more than a year since subramanyan swamy raised this corruption charge against sonia and rahul and the case is moving slowly, hearing yet to start. This case too has some similarity with jaya as both are technical - bogus companies, transfer of assets, converting trust to private property and not doing the business for which the company was formed.


"NEW DELHI: The Delhi high court on Wednesday posted the plea of Congress president Sonia Gandhi, vice-president Rahul Gandhi and other party leaders in a case relating to the acquisition of the National Herald daily for final hearing on Nov 3.
Apart from the Gandhis, Congress treasurer Moti Lal Vohra, family friend Suman Dubey, and Oscar Fernandes had moved the high court and sought to quash the summons issued to them by a trial court on a complaint by BJP leader Subramanian Swamy.
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Subramanian Swamy claimed that Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi, as majority shareholders of Young Indian Ltd (YIL), benefited from the acquisition of Associated Journals Ltd (AJL).
On June 26, the trial court issued summons to the Congress leaders on a complaint by Swamy alleging "cheating" in the acquisition of AJL, the publisher of the now defunct National Herald newspaper, by YIL — "a firm in which Sonia and Rahul Gandhi each own a 38-percent stake".

Filing the plea, the Congress leaders said Swamy was a political opponent and the present criminal proceedings were initiated only with an intent to secure an oblique political objective.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/National-Herald-case-HC-to-hear-plea-of-Sonia-Rahul-on-Nov-3/articleshow/43991896.cms

 

[ShivKC]

As usual , and being tricky and elusive , the discussion is up with the blame game ie.,,s.swami /Christian/Muslim/MuKa etc ..

She is lucky for she was not asked to sit under the court gates of Vellore .. She is lucky to be served home cooked food unlike it was denied a matam cooked food .. She is still young compared to the age when muka was asked to sit in the scorching sun in front of prison walls, and let the cameras to telecast it live..


Don't rush to blame on Sasikala alliance and project it as wrong company .. She did so to garner The car votes ..smart though ..

What JJ did in Canjeevaram agraharam , she is paying price in parparna agraharam jail I Bangalore

 

[sarang]

The judgment is very harsh on her. Sasikala is only her agent. Sasikala & co had no resources and money was provided by jaya. There is no record that the mag namnadu collected deposits nor it was popular with many subscribers. Why sasi and others stayed in her house, even though they had families. Remittances claimed as birthday gifts came after she became CM, so suspicious. Jaya's evidence not reliable.

 

[ShivKC]

How cheap and illogical to defend J.J..

Hatsoff to Karnataka for they didn't treat her like how she did to Achharyals ..


Karma is on the working ..

 

[BRAHMACHARI]

How cheap and illogical to defend J.J..

Hatsoff to Karnataka for they didn't treat her like how she did to Achharyals ..


Karma is on the working ..

Sir,

there have been numerous explanation based on karma on this issue. i trust karma is not biased, not impartial, is just and is fair. if the karma theory were applied on all the wicked in general and on all indian politicians in particular, almost every politician ought to spend some time behind bars. there are many who have escaped the clutches of law, who have gone scot free, by their craftiness, shrewdness and by numerous other means. hence i find difficulty in understanding the modus operandi of karma.

 

[BRAHMACHARI]

There are also word spreading around that all that we see on print and cyber media is a drama enacted by some elements to garner sympathy of the electorate, capitalize on the same and capture power. even the date and time of the verdict is reported as orchestrated to match with festival hols to procrastinate bail and flame up the emotions and sentiments of the TN public. God alone knows!

 

[tbs]

hi

sambavaami yuge yuge.....deivam ninru kollum....

 

[sarang]

paradhaara and paradhana acquisition are mahapapams. And punishment is not meted out by deivam.

hi

sambavaami yuge yuge.....deivam ninru kollum....

 

[krish44]

why bring religion into simple judicial verdict of a low level court on an old corruption case against a politician?

it is the height of stupidity.

the way judiciary works in the case of high level politician - enjoying a religeos festival recess besides vacation judge not hearing a simple bail plea sends a very bad

message .

everybody has to wait forever for justice in india

 

[sarang]

why bring religion into simple judicial verdict of a low level court on an old corruption case against a politician?

it is the height of stupidity.

This is bharat and not china. Religion has a part to play and is a way of life.

 

[biswa]

I have to agree with Mr. Sarang here, for India and Hinduism, it is not a religion of laws. It is a philosophy and belief system. Without that belief system millions of deprived, downtrodden, unfortunate people may not have a good explanation for the travails of life. That's why most Indian movies in all languages show that good wins out in the end.

Of course in real life JJ may escape on appeal. Let's wait and see.