Reservation for Brahmins

[wrongan]

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In a meeting in Nanganallur by a non-brahmin celebrity but having affinity to our community has said that the reservation policy has done good only .because if there is no reservation mejority of brahmins would have opted for clerical jobs and elementary teachers only.The adverse effect has made you people to think of other avenues and your boys are in topslots in earnings.A perfect quote to think.

 

[Ganamukundhapriya]

Now Tamilnadu Brahmin Association has made it demand for Reservation of 10%;. I only hope that the office bearers of TAMBHRAS go through this thread to consolidate their conviction on demand. Tamil Brahmins are 40 lakhs within Tamilnadu and 40 lakhs outside Tamilnadu and hence we will independently qualify for more than 15% reservation. Why should we feel ashamed of demanding directly for it. Nobody is going to accept TAMBHRAS as the voice of the Economically weaker society. TAMBHRAS in fact is the association of affluent Brahmins. Affluence is also needed over Reservation to consolidate our position and hence Reservation should not exclude any Brahmin.

 

[RVR]

There is no correct statistics about the brahmin population in Tamilnadu.

According to Outlook magazine, brahmin population in Tamilnadu is just one percent.

Even some other studies put it between 2 to 3 percentage only.

On a six crore plus population even at the maximum of three percent, it cannot exceed 20 to 21 lakhs.

Anyway Government of India is planning to do caste based census and the correct figure may come out in the next few months.

How can we demand reservation beyond our population percentage?

It may be counter productive if such a demand is made.

All the best

 

[kunjuppu]

In a meeting in Nanganallur by a non-brahmin celebrity but having affinity to our community has said that the reservation policy has done good only .because if there is no reservation mejority of brahmins would have opted for clerical jobs and elementary teachers only.The adverse effect has made you people to think of other avenues and your boys are in topslots in earnings.A perfect quote to think.

wrongan,

to an extent i agree on the above. yes, the closing of some safe avenues, has forced us to look beyond, and it has come as blessings in disguise.

i am quite sure, there are many many stories in each families. one from mine: my girl cousin, had close to 100% in PU, could not get into medicine, took biollogy, came to U.S., did PhD, and now Director of a world class biotech firm. her comments today, that 'denying medicine was the best thing that happened to her'. instead of hanging a board in chennai and waiting for clients, she is now travelling around the world first class, attending conventions and is looked upon as a major force in her field'

wrongan, our community has been going out of madras/palghat since 1920s because of lack of opportunities, and not necessarily out of discrimination. the discrimination factor came only after 1970s with the onset of the dravidian revolution, which has now claimed as victims, also other TNB tribes likes pillais and mudalis, among others.

till two generations ago, large families were the norm, and lack of opportunites in the local village or agraharam was the result. another story from my family: early 1900s, palghat, one relative moved to penang, and established himself there in a british agent. every year he used to recruit high school brahmin boys for clerks post in the tin and rubber mines of malaya. these boys, used to come to nagapattinam, board the ship and be received by him in penang. at the local chinese tailor, opvernight, they traded their mundus and komanams, for pants & boxer shorts. within two days, they went out into the malayan jungle plantations, to return to india twice, once to get married, and the next at the time of the first parent death. ofcourse world war 2 disturbed this routine, but was resumed on a smaller scale till malayan independence. the leftovers of these brahmins are very orthodox as per kuala lumpur brahmana sangham - their daughters unable to find husbands, but the sons marry among malays & chinese.

so dear wrongan, we cannot put all the blames of our situations on the supposed evils of others. today, we are a prosperous community, spread far and wide, and if at all anything, all other tamil tribes want to emulate us. most of us have shed the most evil aspects of casteism away, but some of us cling and cling to it desperately, much to their own peril. .i think so anyway.

 

[Harini]

Anything can be corroborated with statistics and so only complete enumeration can bring the real population. But the diaspora of TBs is beyond the enumeration exercise of Indian census as well. Therefore ******* should corroborate a good and convincing statistics on TB population.

There is no correct statistics about the brahmin population in Tamilnadu.

 

[zunedune]

If Shudra can learn Sanskrit, Sangeetham etc, he can also perform Sandhya Vandhanam. It is only they who have decided not to do it!!

Not so easy. To understand the gravity of what I mean please see the video:

YouTube - India Untouched - The Movie - Part 1

Caste System is the root of all evil in India and it's predominantly we who propagated for our benefit from Time immemorial. Please share your thought if you wish to after seeing the posted video and all the sequential parts.

 

[RKB]

But I don't think Caste based enumeration is happening now?

 

[zunedune]

To see the state of caste system in India:
Go to youtube and type 'India Untouched'. Click on the first link.

 

[RVR]

Government of India appointed panel says that Non-Income tax paying upper class are equivalent to backward class.

Non tax-paying upper castes are equal to OBCs: Panel - India - The Times of India

All the best

 

[janam]

Greetings to all,

The need of the hour is not caste based reservation for brahmins, but unity among brahmins as a caste and not varna. Long since, brahmins became a caste rather than varna with high virtues.[By this I mean, have a pure mind and body, simplistic living, without any greediness for anything, Dharmic thoughts and action, living with the nature etc etc]. All I see, is a rush to move forward in the materialistic ladder. To achieve this, we need to be united as a caste. All other castes are united. They are happy and proud to belong to their castes. I see lot of work is going on with each castes including the uplifting the poor, encouraging and highlighting the achievers, uniting their community people, helping each other. Thats how most of the castes move upwards. The main reason is also that they dont feel religious superiority among themselves. They accept that all of them are same, and customs are same. Even within our small percentage, we have numerous style of religious sentiments and lot many sub sects than any other caste can have. I do not find any cohesive force among brahmins like the other castes, IMO, the cohesive force is not present anymore. The only cohesive force used to be the selfless thinking and action. Which is not to be seen. We are fooling ourself by diluting our old values and customs and disintegrate. Nobody is going to applaud or give a medal if somebody comes out of brahmin caste. They may cheer and mind their own business and attend their own caste functions. We will be respected if we are a good human being, that is universal and eternal. Not caste tag. Nobody else is going to giveup their caste and customs, just because brahmins do so. It will be just a news not an influencing news.

The open quota should be sufficient if we are united. Lets think beyond the reservations.

 

[RKB]

Taxing to divide

Now I understand the reason for the sudden spurt of activity by TAMBHRAS in demanding reservation. The report should have triggered them. But 'Tax' is assessed for individuals whereas the caste is that of a family. At 80+ age I do not pay any tax. Am I a OBC when rest of my family being Brahmins (without Reservation). This status is not going to help in anyway those deserving reservation. This only lead to taxing the family to divide when the concern of sociologist is about crumbling family structure.

Government of India appointed panel says that Non-Income tax paying upper class are equivalent to backward class.

 

[janam]

Greetings!

Government of India appointed panel says that Non-Income tax paying upper class are equivalent to backward class....

Really helpful for poor families.

 

[Nara]

Folks, there is lot of talk that caste based reservation system is as pernicious as caste based oppression perpetrated by the upper castes. Even though I think this is absurd on the face of it, I would like to suggest the following set of criteria to better focus on the section of the society that deserves some kind of reservation. Please comment whether this would be acceptable. I am using the term "social groups" so that Brahmins are not automatically excluded and Dalits are not automatically included.

• Social groups considered as socially backward by others.
• Social groups which mainly depend on manual labour for their livelihood.
• Social groups where the percentage of married women below 17 is 25% above the state average
• Social groups where participation of females in work is at least 25% above the state average.
• Social groups where the number of children in the age group of 5 to 15 years who never attended school is at least 25% above the state average.
• Social groups where the rate of student drop-out below 10th standard is at least 25% above the state average.
• Social groups amongst whom the proportion of the populace that finishes 10th standard at least 25% below the state average
• Social groups where the average value of family assets is at least 25% below the state average.
• Social groups where the number of families living in huts/temporary dwelling is at least 25 % above the state average.
• Social groups where the source of drinking water is beyond half a kilometer for more than 50% of the households.
• Social groups where the number of the house-holds having taken loan for day-to-day living is at least 25% above the state average.

Would you be satisfied if the above criteria are used to determine which social group gets reservation in education and which does not?

Thanks ....

 

[RVR]

It is not because of Tambhras or any other brahmin outfit. Mayavathi has already given 10% reservation for economicaly backward among forward communities in Uttar Pradesh. Brahmins constitute 13% of the population in Uttar Pradesh which is the single largest state in India. Several other northern states have substantial brahmin population and the policitians belonging to all parties cannot ignore them.

It is just a vote bank politics.

All the best

Now I understand the reason for the sudden spurt of activity by TAMBHRAS in demanding reservation. The report should have triggered them. But 'Tax' is assessed for individuals whereas the caste is that of a family. At 80+ age I do not pay any tax. Am I a OBC when rest of my family being Brahmins (without Reservation). This status is not going to help in anyway those deserving reservation. This only lead to taxing the family to divide when the concern of sociologist is about crumbling family structure.

 

[Nara]

... I would like to suggest the following set of criteria to better focus on the section of the society that deserves some kind of reservation. Please comment whether this would be acceptable.....

Folks,

When I argued in favor of caste-based reservation system many did not waste a moment to come after me with pitchforks and torches. There was Bharathiarisque outrage,

தனி ஓர் ப்ராமணனுக்கு சீட்டு இல்லை எனில்
இந்த சாதி சலுகைமுறையை அழித்திடுவோம்.

It is said, arguments that centuries-old caste based repression cannot be redressed in a caste-blind fashion is nothing more than human excreta, no different from the the most vile arguments of the most despicable castiest.

But, now I suggest a possible scheme that could possibly better focus which social group is deserving of affirmative action and not a peep from anybody for 24 hours.

I once again invite my opponents on this issue to show me the courtesy I fancy I deserve, namely, your comment on my suggestion.

Cheers!

 

[drb]

Oh guess I joined this bit late.

Without offending anybody, I would like to humbly say that -

"there should be no reservations on anything based on anything".

As an example, one's exam score should determine where the student's career goes in future and nothing more.

All these caste based reservations - is used as toy by politicians to stay in place. Corruption has no limit in India. My recent visit to India - showed lot of 'improvements' in corruption.

Personally I was affected by these reservations too much!!. My fellow colleagues who scored lot lot less than me ended up securing higher seats in colleges, while I had to suffer. Hence had to move out of country.

Economic status is tied to caste system by politicians - since the world came into being, I am sure there is rich, middle and poor. One cannot change the ratio at all. You try to balance something, other thing will fall out. It is really a stupid basis by politicians.

I would rather stay away from demanding a caste based reservation quota for brahmins. I don't need one and it would be best if everyone comes up based on their merit and not on caste, economic status etc.

 

[tbs]

hi folks,
i was little bit late here....initially i thought i dont talk about any kind of reservation....becoz i served indian army for 17 years....where there

is no reservation policy ......many brahmins are top most generals.....only merit is criteria with medical fitness.....i joined army becoz of caste

based reservation in civilian life...i feel im unfit for civil services due ti my caste....i born in brahmin family..that is not my mistake..neither

my choice...i feel if i want survive in india...i feel some kind of reservation required....so NOW I AM AN EXSERVICEMEN...I HAVE QUOTA

EVERY WHERE.....from educational to housing board allotments....i got housing board through my defence quota....

JAI HIND

regrads
tbs

regards

 

[sangom]

Folks,

Any argument that centuries-old caste based repression cannot be redressed in a caste-blind fashion is nothing more than human excreta, no different from the the most vile arguments of the most despicable castiest.

I think you meant to say "...centuries-old caste based repression can be redressed in a caste-blind fashion..." (emphasis mine). If my presumption is right then I think I will agree with you, since I feel that what has happened as a result of centuries of deprivation to one section of the society cannot be made up in a short span of 60 years or so. I hope you also think so.

But, now I suggest a possible scheme that could possibly better focus which social group is deserving of affirmative action and not a peep from anybody for 24 hours.

Since focusing on the correct, deserving social group will mean reevaluation of which groups now require special affirmative action, the political will may not be there to do so. Even if we assume this is done, the situation here is such that misuse will be there. Hence, I would suggest a 24 hour watchdog machinery, preferably under the control of the Supreme court to scrutinize and deal with infringements.

 

[Dr.T.N.Jambunathan]

But my son had different view about this quota when he was to be admitted into college after his 12th. I will be admitted to an institution where admission is based on IQ (intelligent Quotient ) like IIT and not into colleges where admission based on the IQ prevailing now here in India the wonderful Indian IQ( Indian Quota.) He refused even to send an application for local Engineering colleges Naturally I was worried as a parent What if you do not enter IIT? Don"t worry I will do B.Com in correspondence and CA where the(Indian) IQ does not operate! Luckily he got into IIT Madras

My second son went one step further he did not even enter the science groups. Straight away started is ICWA after 12 after an entrance and CA after B.com If you are focused nothing can stop you even this Indian IQ discriminating rather than affirmative. This is easily said but you have to slog it out.

Naturally the next step in affirmative action will be to introduce IQ(Indian) in these areas and also in private sector as being demanded now.


Jambu:frusty:

 

[RVR]

Dr Jambu Sir,

Accountants are in short supply globally and if your son has completed both CA and ICWA qualifications, it is really an asset. Your son may be knowing better about further possiblities of getting international qualifications. Recently I read some where that ICWA has arrangements with both UK and USA where a member of ICWA can become member of Management Accounting Institutes in both UK and USA by passing just few additional papers or so. If you want further details, I shall put your son to my friend well versed with more details. Once your son acquires global qualifications from UK/USA, he can migrate to any other country of his choice globally and get out of the reservation mess in India once for all.

There is a proverb in Tamil which I am sure you will know `பூனை கண்ணை மூடிக்கொண்டால் உலகம் இருண்டு விடாது'. If the cat closes its eyes, the world will not become dark. Let the Governments in India bring even 100% reservation for other communities, still our community will survive.

All the best

 

[Harini]

Face the reality

The reality today is that even migration is not happening as per merit. Overseas placement could be arranged very easily in Corporates and so corruption has been Globalized by India. Migration patterns are also showing community bias and so soon Reservation will become an issue in immigration also in near future. Sir, if you run away from the problem, it will land more severely at the doors of your wards!

If you study the problem of Reservation in India, the solution to all the ailments come only when Brahmins demand Reservation. That is not happening for people like you run away.

Personally I was affected by these reservations too much!!. My fellow colleagues who scored lot lot less than me ended up securing higher seats in colleges, while I had to suffer. Hence had to move out of country.

 

[Harini]

Exceptions

Sir, as a parent you have to appreciate anything your kids decide and do. Your third son , if any, would have decided to skip the school and instead would have decided to rearing cows and buffallow ( why not? what is wrong in it?) and still would have faired better then your other sons. But that cannot be construed as general solution for the community facing oppression. Exceptions are just exceptions

My second son went one step further he did not even enter the science groups. Straight away started is ICWA after 12 after an entrance and CA after B.com If you are focused nothing can stop you even this Indian IQ discriminating rather than affirmative. This is easily said but you have to slog it out.

Naturally the next step in affirmative action will be to introduce IQ(Indian) in these areas and also in private sector as being demanded now.


Jambu:frusty:

 

[Harini]

Dubious done

Sure. Even now our community people are getting in to the business by doctored community certificates, mark sheets etc. That is the reason that our politicians have to stretch to 69% for reservation. A OBC manages to pass as BC and a BC as SC or ST. SC or ST are not getting opportunity for others cut in to their cake by dubious means.

In Kaliyuga the end justifies means and hence Brahmin will do anything even if it is 100% against him to be within 100%!!

Let the Governments in India bring even 100% reservation for other communities, still our community will survive.

All the best

 

[uvsharma]

More than 34 percentage of the population in India are illiterates. They are not participating in the race for higher education.

Literacy in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of the remaining 66 percentage, substantial people don't go to colleges.

Only 7 Percentage of the students join colleges.

Education in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is purely neglect of education in India by Union and State Governments which is creating lot of problems.

Without offering quality education to all citizens, Government is trying to divide people based on religion, caste etc for narrow political ends.

Basic problem is offering education to all the citizens.

Private colleges charges heavy amount of capitation fee which poor people cannot afford.

It is high time, Government opens more number of colleges and offer education to all. They can make education on self financing basis and avoid subsidies. Loans to all poor students are made available at the college itself with a specialized financing body supported by Government.

Instead adopting divide and rule policy being applied by Government on its own citizens based on caste, religion etc.

To start with all Government run colleges can run two shifts per day instead of one shift per day operation right now. The availability of seats will double. Probably week end classes on Saturday and Sunday make the availability triple without spending single paise on infrastructure. Only teachers have to be appointed and it will create employment opportunities also.

Only proper mindset is required to solve the problems.

 

[Dr.T.N.Jambunathan]

Sir, as a parent you have to appreciate anything your kids decide and do. Your third son , if any, would have decided to skip the school and instead would have decided to rearing cows and buffallow ( why not? what is wrong in it?) and still would have faired better then your other sons. But that cannot be construed as general solution for the community facing oppression. Exceptions are just exceptions

Unfortunately to satisfy your wishes I do not have a 3 child What is wrong being in profession rearing cows? You have even God who is basically in these activities.But I think even here you should think big beyond reservation and this belongs to Yadavas etc and not the job of Brahmin . I have shares in Hatsun (The Arun Ice Cream & Arokiya MilK) companies. But your conjuncture that still would have fared better than other sons sound as if doing well here is some what inferior The Mantra again here, like as I told in the other thread "Bharathantiyam for Brahmins" is only hard work dedication and excellence that comes out of these efforts and nothing else. No other ways to success . you have to slog. Jambuhwell: