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[sravna]

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Renuka,

Actually those with high IQ are the ones who think so high of themselves and at the same time think low of others and so the tendency to brag. It is those with high wisdom quotient who are both smart and humble.

 

[sarang]

Has jo become a gounder? I remember shivakumar commenting on this is in a tv chat.

You are right...Surya is a Gounder.

 

[renuka]

There has never been an inter community attacks between our communities similar to what happened between shia-sunni-wahabis, or catholic-protestants.

Vadakalai Vs Thenkalai?? That elephant case when to court isnt it?


Sarang ji....you said inter community attack..some communities attacked by weapons and some by a war of words..so everyone attacks yaar.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

The 'padips' is considered the most needed thing for a better living of tambrams. They work very hard to score high marks.

It is like a conveyor belt for many tambram boys and girls: study in a reputed school - engineering degree form a reputed

institution - get aid in a good univ. in the U S of A. Get a masters / doctorate degree and settle there itself! Those who choose

to get the MBA degree from reputed institutions get high salaried jobs within India and are happy to stay back. This is the usual

trend. Now a days, getting aid form a good univ is tough and so many boys and girls take a bank loan to get their masters degree

in the U S of A and all of them are doing really well! :thumb:

 

[renuka]

Renuka,

Actually those with high IQ are the ones who think so high of themselves and at the same time think low of others and so the tendency to brag. It is those with high wisdom quotient who are both smart and humble.

Ok we have a WQ now?

Sravna...you are God!

 

[renuka]

Has jo become a gounder? I remember shivakumar commenting on this is in a tv chat.

Is there a conversion ceremony?

 

[Raji Ram]

..... Sarang ji....you said inter community attack..some communities attacked by weapons and some by a war of words..so everyone attacks yaar.

We too miss the some attacking spirit in our forum, right Renu?

 

[Raji Ram]

When I wish that any girl getting married to a brahmin will become a brahmin, Sri. Sivakumar might also think similarly! :decision:

 

[sarang]

Is it needed. By tradition the wife embraces the culture and religion of the husband. In maharashtra, the girl after marriage becomes a dwija (nothing to do with varna, applicable to all) and a new name is given by the husband/'s family.

Her sis nagma became a hindu, became a yoga and art of living teacher and then was swept into christianity gainfully employed as a preacher.

Is there a conversion ceremony?

 

[vgane]

You are right...Surya is a Gounder.

Yes, Doctor..You are correct..I meant Ajith..Have edited my post

 

[vgane]

Renuka,

Actually those with high IQ are the ones who think so high of themselves and at the same time think low of others and so the tendency to brag. It is those with high wisdom quotient who are both smart and humble.

Like Satya Nadella...Look how Satya has outsmarted the IIT'ians..An all rounder is required to lead large corporations...Medium IQ, curious, rebellious and non scholastic interests will take you in leaps and bounds!.... Satya Nadella as Microsoft CEO: What the rise of a non-IITian tells us - The Economic Times

 

[tks]

When my son was doing his masters degree in MIT Boston, his professor had come down to Sing. Chennai on vacation.

We took him out for dinner. He refused to take spirited drinks and non.veg, saying that he needs to respect our culture.

Then he mentioned that the problem with South Indian boys is that many of them don't know how to brag! He observed

that an American student with the same level of IQ will be bragging all the time! Many of our boys are really humble!

Indians in general do not know how to 'sell their worth' well .. But it is changing big time ..

In a cultural set up like USA it is important in my experience not to brag but be assertive. To be assertive one has to be sure of oneself first. Those that have lived here (USA) and studied here have learnt to adapt. I am sure the new CEO of Microsoft is no push-over fellow.

My children have humility and even talk English in Indian accent naturally when they visit India out of respect (I never asked them to do this but it just happens). But being born and raised here in USA they have naturally learnt how to assert themselves and take charge when situation demands.

It is students who come to visit from India that often go through an adjustment period ..

Bragging is looked down upon in USA in my experience.. I think if one is sure about what one knows the confidence radiates and talking about one's strengths to solve a problem occurs very naturally.

My daughter learnt the significance of wearing a Pottu and does so almost daily. She has gone to make presentations at major conferences and has had no issues wearing a business suit and a pottu.

It is inner acceptance of who we are, our strengths and weaknesses that is important in my view. When we respect ourselves others do also. Ironically only some uninformed Indian student from India may come and ask why my daughter why she is wearing a Pottu!She is usually amazed ...

I think our Indian boys and girls should be trained in assertiveness as part of their curriculum and certainly before they go abroad to western nations to be most effective. At a minimum they need training in how to shake hands.. Many Indians will offer a limp hand to shake which forms a bad impression about their capabilities

 

[Vaagmi]

Like Satya Nadella...Look how Satya has outsmarted the IIT'ians..An all rounder is required to lead large corporations...Medium IQ, curious, rebellious and non scholastic interests will take you in leaps and bounds!.... Satya Nadella as Microsoft CEO: What the rise of a non-IITian tells us - The Economic Times

Who said top IQ, Curiosity, non-scholastic interests are mutually exclusive? They can all be there in just one personality. But opportunities are God sent. They do not come to every one.

This is not a situation where the winner takes all. Satya was found to be fit for a particular task and he got the opportunity to handle that. As said here, there are many other brilliant minds working in MS who are masters in their respective areas of specialization. Satya is not a super nerd. He is just a nerd like others in his Company. But he had a few advantages like his years of association with MS, the opportunities he got to impress the stake holders, a brilliant mind, and the luck to be noticed by people who matter. All this play a role.

Now that he is in the lime light people will put his every plus and minus under a magnifying glass and analyze as if it really matters. Thus his very personal matters like love with a girl, his marriage with her, the gate crashing by PM of the country into the reception for his marriage uninvited, his alma matter being not in the top line etc., are threadbare analyzed as if all these had a bearing on his selection to head the MS.

Satya had three unique advantages which his other equally or even more brilliant colleagues did not have. One he had worked with MS for sufficiently long to be noticed. Two he was heading the Cloud computing segment which Gates perceives as the future contributor of revenues to MS. For a troubled Company fighting to maintain its bottomline, the man who manages the cash cow is the Rajguru and his words will carry a lot of weight. Three Satya had perhaps his successes in socializing, which mattrers in such appointments. Many other brilliant colleagues might not have a taste for the kind of socializing that matters at the dizzying heights of corporate board level.

Finally the verdict will be out only when Satya performs and give results ( I am sure he will deliver because he has the support of many brilliant minds that need only the space they need to be given). As cloud computing is only a concept and there are others prowling with their own products, Satya is going to have a tough competition. He will need all the support of those brilliant other brains in his MS to win the battle and a lot of good luck too. Let us wait and watch before judging.

As for our schools dovetailing our system of teaching to suit the requirements of MNCs, I would say let us give importance to teaching students the basic sciences in a more focused way. It is science which the bed rock on which technological achievements are raised. We are still extremely weak in that. And enterprise. We need to identify enterprise at the formative stage in schools and nurture it. We do not do that. We have large Engineering giants producing the cars, fridges, washing machines and name what you can in consumer goods. We have Engineering companies who manufacture large generators, boilers etc., But when it comes to manufacture of a chip in a modern fab which goes into every equipment we have a sad story to tell. When it comes to designing a windmill we have a still worse sad story to tell. So our science education is in doll drums. Our basic mathematics education is in serious trouble. No doubt we have an assembly line producing the largest number of science graduates. But it is of no use.

This is just another view point.

 

[sravna]

Americans even if they may not outwardly talk high of themselves , certainly think they are. How else can one explain their notion of American exceptionalism which I think many if not all Americans dearly hold. That is as bad as bragging and definitely doesn't reflect the reality.

 

[mkrishna100]

As for our schools dovetailing our system of teaching to suit the requirements of MNCs, I would say let us give importance to teaching students the basic sciences in a more focused way. It is science which the bed rock on which technological achievements are raised. We are still extremely weak in that. And enterprise. We need to identify enterprise at the formative stage in schools and nurture it. We do not do that. We have large Engineering giants producing the cars, fridges, washing machines and name what you can in consumer goods. We have Engineering companies who manufacture large generators, boilers etc., But when it comes to manufacture of a chip in a modern fab which goes into every equipment we have a sad story to tell. When it comes to designing a windmill we have a still worse sad story to tell. So our science education is in doll drums. Our basic mathematics education is in serious trouble. No doubt we have an assembly line producing the largest number of science graduates. But it is of no use.

This needs a separate thread for discussion . I do concur with the views of Sri Vaagmi .

 

[renuka]

Americans even if they may not outwardly talk high of themselves , certainly think they are.

Dear Sravna,

How can you actually even know this unless you can mind read??

This reminds me of a Consultant at a hospital that I once worked when I was an intern.

He use to constantly find fault with me with stuff not related to work.
My work was fine so he used to pick on me for the stupidest things.

Once he accused me of thinking that he was stupid!

He said "I know that you think I am stupid and think you are smarter than me"

I was totally shocked and said "sir did I ever even tell you anything like that or behave in such a manner"

He said "No you did not say or behave in such a manner but I know that deep down inside you think I am stupid and you are smarter than me"

I just stood staring at him with eyes wide open and he said "there there..I know that you are thinking that now.."

Then I said "sir I never thought of you as stupid before...but now I am starting to wonder if you really are"

He screamed at me for that saying "see I knew it"

So you see Sravna..the moral of the story is "How do you really know Americans that well to generalize them?"

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

How can you actually even know this unless you can mind read??

This reminds me of a Consultant at a hospital that I once worked when I was an intern.

He use to constantly find fault with me with stuff not related to work.
My work was fine so he used to pick on me for the stupidest things.

Once he accused me of thinking that he was stupid!

He said "I know that you think I am stupid and think you are smarter than me"

I was totally shocked and said "sir did I ever even tell you anything like that or behave in such a manner"

He said "No you did not say or behave in such a manner but I know that deep down inside you think I am stupid and you are smarter than me"

I just stood staring at him with eyes wide open and he said "there there..I know that you are thinking that now.."

Then I said "sir I never thought of you as stupid before...but now I am starting to wonder if you really are"

He screamed at me for that saying "see I knew it"

So you see Sravna..the moral of the story is "How do you really know Americans that well to generalize them?"

Dear Renuka,

It is simple. You do not have to say it directly but you give yourself away by what and how you say. I have been in the U.S. for more than 5 years and I pretty well know the Americans.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

It is simple. You do not have to say it directly but you give yourself away by what and how you say. I have been in the U.S. for more than 5 years and I pretty well know the Americans.

Dear Sravna,

In my college there were a few white American students..they did not seem like that at all.

My elder brother who studied in USA said Americans generally do not brag and are quite down to earth and cool types.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

In my college there were a few white American students..they did not seem like that at all.

My elder brother who studied in USA said Americans generally do not brag and are quite down to earth and cool types.

Dear Renuka,

OK what do you say when they directly proclaim they are exceptional. As recently as a week ago I saw on TV an american politician saying that. Also when the Russian president Putin said that Americans should not harbor such a notion, the Americans did not take to it kindly. If you are not willing to accept my word as true what do you say for these?

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

OK what do you say when they directly proclaim they are exceptional. As recently as a week ago I saw on TV an american politician saying that. Also when the Russian president Putin said that Americans should not harbor such a notion, the Americans did not take to it kindly. If you are not willing to accept my word as true what do you say for these?

Russia and US are like India and Pakistan...would these 2 say anything good of each other?

 

[prasad1]

Dear Renuka,

OK what do you say when they directly proclaim they are exceptional. As recently as a week ago I saw on TV an american politician saying that. Also when the Russian president Putin said that Americans should not harbor such a notion, the Americans did not take to it kindly. If you are not willing to accept my word as true what do you say for these?

Dear Sravna,
You are trying to judge whole community by a single specimen, that is called stereotyping, and is wrong. Do we judge all Indians by what Lalu Prasad Yadav says or looks?
I have been USA for sometime I agree with Renukaji's post. Tksji has written elsewhere his experiences.
Americans are assertive without bragging. Americans are honest to a fault. They generally have very high opinion of Indian professionals. They may not have the same towards Indian grocery store clarks.

 

[tks]

Every country, every state, every unit that comprises of many people including a family claims they are unique in some way. So what? The world is large enough to accommodate all these exceptional people. They are not putting others down.

I think America is great. It is because they value knowledge. They value even symbols of knowledge like a degree. That is why people coming from many countries who otherwise may or may not have been a no-body begins to do exceptionally well in USA. ( Of course a lot has to do with their luck of being at the right place as well).

I know a person who was struggling to find work in India landed in USA somehow, did some Pharmacy work and opened up Pharmacy stores. This person comes across as not literate when he speaks in English with heavy accent. He must have some knack for business decision because he has many stores now. He lives in a house which has a theater and elevator ! Which in my is not needed for anyone LoL

I think the US constitution is an exceptional document even with its arguable issues. True freedom of expression, separation of religion and state are being realized even today to a large extent.

India's prosperity about a few centuries ago has to do with living by these principles. Our way of life allowed Parsis to survive, and Jewish people to continue their faith and tradition without interference for over 2000 years.

The Purva Paksha type debating style to resolve issues in the most respectful manner allowed freedom expression to flourish. I think the people of subcontinent of today's India respected knowledge

India of today has to mature and re-learn to respect knowledge in a true manner especially in the knowledge worker era. I agree with Sri Vaagmi's thoughts about India's system of education.

At an individual level we should be broadminded to acknowledge the exceptionalism of others and even nations. Every item of greatness that touches our lives have had its origin in the USA (computer, Google, cell phones, key software systems, to name just a few).

Now in any IQ scale it will be hard to see any difference in a statistical sense between nations. What makes a place great has to do with the value they embrace as a nation.

One last thought - The teachings of B.Gita in Chapter 10 is particularly significant in this context. A way of being more mature has to do with appreciating exceptional performance by others without judgement. Sri Krishna teaches in that chapter to learn to see 'Isvara's Viboothi' in every demonstration of exceptionalism which ensures our mind does not make petty judgement when we witness greatness personified by a person or even a nation at a given time.

 

[indianassault]

Dear Sravna,
You are trying to judge who community by a single specimen, that is called stereotyping, and is wrong. Do we judge all Indians by what Lalu Prasad Yadav says or looks?
I have been USA for sometime I agree with Renukaji's post. Tksji has written elsewhere his experiences.
Americans are assertive without bragging. Americans are honest to a fault. They generally have very high opinion of Indian professionals. They may not have not have the same towards Indian grocery store clarks.

I am 50:50 on this. Americans are mostly made to look like they brag, thanks to the media, hollywood movies etc. For a neutral person, if he looks at an Russian and American together, they may find Russian little insecure and isolated, whereas an American being outspoken and carefree. The language skills are also a cause for this.

.But if not for the Russians, the world would beleive only US guards us from the aliens and destruction ( 2012, Independence day etc ).

<removed the derogatory word along with the sentence in which it was used. Please refrain from using similar phrases - Praveen>

 

[Raji Ram]

An American was sharing the story of their invention of zero gravity pen to a Russian! It goes.........

'When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity.

To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside

down, underwater, on almost any surface, and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees Celsius. I wonder

what you guys would do without this pen!' The Russian coolly replied, 'We use a pencil!' '

P.S: This zero gravity pen (space pen) was very useful for my bedridden aunt, when she wrote snail mails to us! :thumb:

 

[ashwin_ash]

I am 50:50 on this. Americans are mostly made to look like they brag, thanks to the media, hollywood movies etc. For a neutral person, if he looks at an Russian and American together, they may find Russian little insecure and isolated, whereas an American being outspoken and carefree. The language skills are also a cause for this.

.But if not for the Russians, the world would beleive only US guards us from the aliens and destruction ( 2012, Independence day etc ).

<removed the quoted sentence from the post - praveen>

N***a is a very derogatory term for blacks. I earlier lived in a building which was half black, and many were very intelligent and never appeared to brag or freak out or whatever.

Of course, there are also plenty of 'white trash' who hold placards like 'I need money for soap' and such like. The US is as normal as any other country, Americans come in all shades of black, white, and gray. Generalizations are wrong.