Tambrahms to become extinct by 2035

[biswa]

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Well in my experience, almost everything within the outermost walls is "inside". And anybody wearing anything on their feet is in big, big trouble. I find it somewhat hypocritical for organized Hinduism to insist on this while being ok with flowing garbage inside a temple.

 

[vgane]

I hope we have a Brahmin state too,i ll prefer Travancore if it happens.

Not sure how many will subscribe to a separate Brahmin state in Kerala...But if that is the solution so be it...

In Tamil Nadu where there is a subtle persecution of Brahmins a separate state in North of Tamil Nadu with two or three special zones for Brahmins (such as Kumbakonam /Srirangam/Chidambaram) could be a solution...

 

[Raji Ram]

Well in my experience, almost everything within the outermost walls is "inside". And anybody wearing anything on their feet is in big, big trouble. I find it somewhat hypocritical for organized Hinduism to insist on this while being ok with flowing garbage inside a temple.

Some of the rules are strange, Biswa Sir!

Inside all the temples in Kerala, men folk are topless! On Sunday, I visited Sri Padmanabhaswamy temple in Trivandrum and felt sick

in the crowd of sweating topless mAmAs! I like TN temples where shirts are allowed inside the temple.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

No way,

Iyengars are my brothers like my own blood.If my friend(iyengar) wanted to marry my sister/cousins,i wud be glad.

They are my brothers in arms,when we studied together saying we are General category champs and we ll thrash the quota folk.

anyway vadamam muthi vaishnavam and i dont mind at all,i dont even mind saiva siddhantham also but sorry,iyers iyengars have no issues.

and i got no issues,i even know vadamas who converted.

But in our villages in Tirunelveli,we are all vadamas.

You are a perfect example of pseudo-Vaishnavism. Did you at point of time impress your Iyengar friends to follow our system like us?

The term 'VADAMAM MUTHI VAISHNAVAM' is wrongly understood. It is not that Vadamas to take up Vaishnavism in the later part of life; the terminology came into existence when Ramajuna (a born Vadama) started preaching Vaishnavite philosophy. We have totally misunderstood the phrase.

Conversion is taking place every where.

 

[ashwin_ash]

dont know what this means. very vague and appears illiterally prejudiced beyond comprehension.


IYERS

So many sub sects- True
Clash with each other due to Mutt affiliation- What mutt?
Lack of identity - either Saivite or Vaishnavite- Palakkad Iyers worship some form of Kali, Tamilnadu iyers may be confused
Lack of specific worship- Be coherent
Lack of coordination- Be coherent
Have more faith with Iyengars than with fellow Iyers (especially in Offices)- Substantiate with facts
Lack of interest in the community (Tamil Cinema is a perfect example)- Mindless cinema is good?..cool!!

Iyengars

No coments

Iyengars.. no comments.. Arisi vangittu va is a NO NO..Vangittu va arisi.. Cool!! Siva is sin for Iyengars..

 

[ashwin_ash]

Recently some one was asked to consecrate a Siva temple in Coimbatore. He flat out refused saying Siva is not a Hindu god and the tradition of Siva worship is blasphemous.

Showing the way forward for survival!!

 

[tbs]

just qoute the incident in some other group....


Dear Friends,

Till last week, I was an admirer of the renowned Upanyasakartha Sri. Velukodi. However, an incident that happened at Sri Ramar Koil, Ramnagar, Coimbatore (he is conducting Mahabaratham Upanyasam at Ramarkoil from Dec 15 to Jan 15), shattered my admiration and I am compelled to say, I do not consider him worthy of conducting Upanyasam of any kind.


Well, what is this incident that caused so much grief?


Ayyappan Puja Sangham, Ramnagar, Coimbatore conducted their Annual Ayyappan Puja Festival in the last week of December, 2013; and one of the events was "Sri. Sudharshana Homam". Representatives of the Managing Committee of Ayyappan Puja Sangham, approached Sri. Velukodi, to grace the Sudharshana Homam event and say a few words about the Mahima of Sri Sudharshana Homam. Sri Velukodi's response: "I DO NOT VISIT SAIVITE SHRINES".

I could not believe my ears when I heard his reason. Has he forgotten that Sri. Ayyappan is sakshad "Hariharan". To add insult to injury, he stays with Saivites, and takes Biksha from Saivite mami, after she has offered Naivaydyam to Lord Siva.

And, on Pradosham day, a Purdah was put up on the West side verandah of Ramar Koil Hall (Sri. Velukodi is conducting Upanyasam in the Hall), as Abhishekam was being performed to Lord Siva and the chanting of Sri. Rudram would have been a intereference to ?????

I earnestly request fellow Pattars to share this to all Saivites via Email, Twitter, Facebook, etc; so that we do not continue to bear further insult to both Saivite and Vaishnavaite deities, by so called Learned Personalities.

This is not meant to hurt anyone's feelings or beliefs; but an attempt at awakening us from blind acceptance. Each one is entitled to his own beliefs, but a Public personality owes a responsibility to his followers, that he does not hurt their sentiment in public. This, though does not take away from the fact that such belief itself has no place in our world.

Varadarajan

 

[krish44]

Some of the rules are strange, Biswa Sir!

Inside all the temples in Kerala, men folk are topless! On Sunday, I visited Sri Padmanabhaswamy temple in Trivandrum and felt sick

in the crowd of sweating topless mAmAs! I like TN temples where shirts are allowed inside the temple.

I am very sensitive like you regarding this topless dress code in kerala temples, even in marriages I do not like vadhyars and others performing the rituals being topless. there has to be some decency in dressing. I have stopped going to such temples because of such dress codes which cause revulsion in womenfolk and others

 

[vgane]

just qoute the incident in some other group....

Sri Velukodi's response: "I DO NOT VISIT SAIVITE SHRINES".......

To add insult to injury, he stays with Saivites, and takes Biksha from Saivite mami, after she has offered Naivaydyam to Lord Siva.

Varadarajan

What sort of a preacher is Velukudi...He should be shunned by one and all including Vaishnavites...He should be censored by none other than Cho who is giving space to this maverick in Thuglaq!

 

[krish44]

Velukudi has a lot of diehard followers for whom the words of wisdom from him will make them go all over india insearch of elusive vaishnaite God in brindavan and other places in north of india. I have come across many groups in delhi led by him on conducted tours to holy places. he is a commercial preacher who has marketed himself well on TV.This is the first time I m hearing such reports about him.This if correct requires condemnation .

 

[auh]

It what you say is indeed true, it was really an offense to ask a staunch Iyengar to consecrate a Siva temple.

How can this be treated as the way forward for survival? When children convert and marry, should parents change their value system?

 

[sarang]

Jayalalitha has donated two electric cars for the use of devotees to reduce walking distance. These vehicles are used by all to reach various sannadis. In the past bullock carts were used inside the temple premises for ferrying goods and people. Now steel bullocks have taken that role.

In most of the temples, the executive officer or a person of high rank park their cars inside the temple premises.

If he is carried in a pallakku or on an elephant or in a bullock cart - all are objectionable for the rationalists. What is done by the temple dikshitars and his devotees and general bhaktas is acceptable.

I must be dense .. Not sure what the issue is to be concerned about..

If Pope were to visit a church and comes in a papal cart all the way near a church it would not be a big deal.

I am not trying to defend anyone - just do not understand what the issue is.

Is the issue that someone who is a Sannyasi is coming in a car and gets to come very close to inside the temple?

If so what exactly is the issue here?

 

[sarang]

In mahalakshmi temple complex in kohlapur, devotees walk in with chappals and go round the praharam with chappals; leave the chappals at the foot of steps leading to the shrines. I believe, in the past, in thiruvanaikoil temple, one just carries the footware in hands while taking a short cut through the temple. In our school days, boys (less than 10% of the student population) had to leave the chappal outside the class room. In satyabhama college of engineering in chennai the students have to leave the footwear outside library (not sure about the class room). Local rules rule.

If a vehicle can come inside a temple, should not people be allowed to wear their foot wear inside as well?

 

[sangom]

I have a different view...No doubt Nara was brilliant in non religious stuff..The moment he stepped on to the religion, he was irreverent, impious and blasphemous

The website is for the Tambrahms who range from very religious, pious to those who are not following rituals but not irreverent to religion, to those who are agnostic, question scriptures but are not blasphemous..Enter the 4th category who are atheistic; profane, bashing and offensive about the Hindu scriptures, condemning brahminism on every opportunity in any thread

The fourth category by being very vociferous made the first category (who are a majority) run away from the site, the second category squirm in their seats, the third category being neglected or side lined or being completely take over by the fourth category

I suppose we will now have a good mix catering to the taste of the first 3 and work for the real upliftment of Tambrahms

May be the 4th category can seek shelter at a dedicated site for atheists

Dear Shri Gane,

I do not agree with your above view/analysis at all. Shri Nara was a very staunch Srivaishnava even many years after his going and settling abroad on long term basis. From what I understand, he had been keeping close relationships with the temples, mutts, etc., in India. Having seen first hand, the hypocrisy and the hollowness of whatever is dished out by our religion and mutts - in the name of religion - he has turned out to be a complete atheist. The most appreciable thing is that he is bold enough to say what he is.

I don't have that much of intellectual ability and my life-experiences are different and so I am not yet able to take a determined stand that there is no power beyond human abilities and hence there is no god. But I am also convinced that what religion (that means all religions) tries to inculcate in the minds of devotees/adherents is not at all true. IMHO, advaita philosophy seems to come closest to the reality.

I am rather pained to observe that you had no occasion to badmouth Shri Nara as long as he was participating here, but have been able to find courage to say things about him like "profane, bashing and offensive about the Hindu scriptures, condemning brahminism on every opportunity in any thread". This best fits a cowardly youngster shouting abuses after he has been scolded by an elder, on his back - and not an adult, religious brahmin.

 

[sangom]

wish this were true. seriously. but numbers say otherwise.

starting with 1950s when we started having small families, nobody then thought of the consequences of this in finding husbands wives for the next generations. even in 1980s, it started getting tough to match, even with girls going along with parents' wishes.

today, the situation is such, that a significant number of boys do not have spouses. i think so far all in agreement.

the emigration is still on. for every one returning, there are 10 in line in front of the u.s. embassy or flying to the gulf.

i can speak only of my extended family. i do not have even one person under the age of 30 in india. within 3 circles of relationship. all the children are abroad and none of them intended to return. that is that much numbers reduced and that is tht much numbers less of tambrams for the next generation.

there may be a core. again there may be not. the post OP is valid. whether it is a concern, is a pov. i am a pattar from palghat, who is 4 generations removed from palghat itself. i simply dont know what to feel. my interest in tamil and tamilculture is cultivated. none of my family share it.

One case comes to my mind. One so-called religious, orthodox, ritualistic relative (son of my distant - 4th or 5th removed - girl cousin of mine, but elder to me by 5 years) used to boast that he would not like his (3) children to go out of India on permanent basis and that he was confident that his children also respect that sentiment. His daughter got her B.Tech (or M. Tech., I don't remember now) and joined an IT company in Chennai. A chance to go to US came. The whole household was agog—whether to accept that chance or refuse. The girl's horoscope was shown to me. I felt, after studying the horoscope, that if once she goes abroad, she is likely to settle down there itself, and told the same. They proudly announced that she won't do any such thing and return after a few months after completing her "project". Unfortunately my prediction won and she has been there in US, married to a second generation tabra , having a child, US citizen, etc. Now her parents spend 6 months in a year with her and another six months with her elder brother whom this girl took to US, helped in his getting MS education, etc.

The lesson I learn is that even people who boast very confidently have to eat humble pie when it comes to our tabra youngsters sticking on to the west.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

just qoute the incident in some other group....


Dear Friends,

"I DO NOT VISIT SAIVITE SHRINES".

Varadarajan

He has every right to follow his Sect; but he must be a genuine person. Does he not receive offerings from non-Vaishnavites. If he accepts, then he can do anything for the sake of money. Such fellows can be converted to other religion very easily.

He is a half baked religious preacher.

It is amusing that he doesn't realize that Lord Shiva is being worshipped as God and not as god men like Krishna and Rama.

People like him becomes so prominent only because of too much of importance is given by Smarthas and Sankara Mutts. Of late Sankara Mutts are functioning like proxy Jeer Mutts.

 

[vgane]

I am rather pained to observe that you had no occasion to badmouth Shri Nara as long as he was participating here, but have been able to find courage to say things about him like "profane, bashing and offensive about the Hindu scriptures, condemning brahminism on every opportunity in any thread". This best fits a cowardly youngster shouting abuses after he has been scolded by an elder, on his back - and not an adult, religious brahmin.

Dear Shri Sangom,

I am not bad mouthing Shri Nara....I am not an expert in scriptures...But what I know is that he has been criticizing all the scriptures...There are lots of people who are hurt by his scurrilous writing...He is an avowed atheist...It is for the forum administrators to take a call on his writing....Now I am just sharing my view as there was a reference to Shri Nara

Hope the above clarifies

 

[auh]

He has every right to follow his Sect; but he must be a genuine person. Does he not receive offerings from non-Vaishnavites. If he accepts, then he can do anything for the sake of money. Such fellows can be converted to other religion very easily.

So sir, do you not accept money from SVs or Muslims or Christians or the NBs? If you do, then by your own admission, you also fall in the category of those who "can do anything for the sake of money" and you probably may be on of those who "can be converted to other religion very easily".

 

[auh]

Dear Shri Sangom,

I am not bad mouthing Shri Nara....I am not an expert in scriptures...But what I know is that he has been criticizing all the scriptures...There are lots of people who are hurt by his scurrilous writing...He is an avowed atheist...It is for the forum administrators to take a call on his writing....Now I am just sharing my view as there was a reference to Shri Nara

Hope the above clarifies

Shri vgane,

I tend to agree, in principle, with what Shri Sangom has written. Debating about a person in his absence while not confronting him when he was present is equivalent to bad mouthing.

Regards,

 

[zebra16]

Shri vgane,

I tend to agree, in principle, with what Shri Sangom has written. Debating about a person in his absence while not confronting him when he was present is equivalent to bad mouthing.

Regards,

You may be right. But Sangom had no business in bad mouthing Sringeri or Kanchi Sankaracharya or Nara bad mouthing Jeeyars or his favourite flog horse weekend brahmins in this forum when they are not present in the forum.

People who wish to stay in glass houses should not begin throwing stones.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Iyengars.. no comments.. Arisi vangittu va is a NO NO..Vangittu va arisi.. Cool!! Siva is sin for Iyengars..

The same applies (sin) to god men Krishna, Rama for staunch Saivites.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

So sir, do you not accept money from SVs or Muslims or Christians or the NBs? If you do, then by your own admission, you also fall in the category of those who "can do anything for the sake of money" and you probably may be on of those who "can be converted to other religion very easily".

I am not a Vaishanavite preacher like that fellow Krishnan.

 

[ashwin_ash]

I am not a Vaishanavite preacher like that fellow Krishnan.

Since all of you are missing Nara (he was truly the sensible voice of this forum), Auh is trying to fill the vacuum created by Nara's absence.

Only difference is Nara was genuine, while Auh has a disruptive agenda and wants to create discord and see the fun. He wants to hurt people and watch the fun, maybe that's his nature.

 

[auh]

You may be right. But Sangom had no business in bad mouthing Sringeri or Kanchi Sankaracharya or Nara bad mouthing Jeeyars or his favourite flog horse weekend brahmins in this forum when they are not present in the forum.

People who wish to stay in glass houses should not begin throwing stones.

There is a difference in what Shri Sangom tried to say and what you have compared above.

The Sankaracharyas of Kanchi or Sringeri are not members of this forum, afaik, to have given the opportunity to engage with other members. So the question of their "absence" would not even arise at all, imo.

 

[auh]

Since all of you are missing Nara (he was truly the sensible voice of this forum), Auh is trying to fill the vacuum created by Nara's absence.

Only difference is Nara was genuine, while Auh has a disruptive agenda and wants to create discord and see the fun. He wants to hurt people and watch the fun, maybe that's his nature.

Perhaps, you should have posted this in the jokes section...