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Tambrahms to become extinct by 2035

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if you dont know... just read Mrs RR madam's explanation....just understand ur ignorance....dont give general statement

without knowing anything.....we are VADAMA IYERS of smartha sect...just info....
Whatever be the smarthA principles, there exists a group of Iyers known as 'keeththu nAmakkArA'. :thumb:


Please read RR's statement. Per RR, a group of Iyers are wearing namam. When Ramanuja started preaching Vaishnavite principle, some smarthas like Thirumalai Nambi, Koorathashwan joined him (mostly Vadamas - Read Wikipedia) . Koorathashwan followers in Madurai, though wearing Namam, are calling themselves as Vadamas.

However, majority of Smarthas follow the existing customs and start patronizing Sankara Mutts for survival. Please check with your family elders to know the reason for wearing Namam, if you happen to be Vadama.
 
Yes absolutely. I always found Iyengar girls more beautiful .

I am curious to know what is Vadama, Brahacharyam and Arthasastha etc ..My mother was particular about even those things..


Read Wikipedia. Your doubts will be cleared. Wikipedia has separate pages for all sub sects.
 
Do you know why our Vedic tradition supports wearing a Namam, Kunkuma Pottu or whatever for men and women? The exact form may be varied based on tradition and local customs. My question to you is to describe the overall (and profound) significance of this practice across all sects of Hindus.

Does Vedic tradition apply to all sections of Hindus?
 
Let me add that Iyengar girls are more beautiful in general but the there are more most beautiful among the iyer girls. similarly I would say that Iyengar boys are smarter than Iyer boys in general but again there are more smartest among the Iyer boys. This is just my pet belief.
hi sravana,

you are rite.........i saw some combinations like such recently......iyengar gals with iyer boys are nice combination....iyengar gals

are beautiful and cool....iyer boys are smartest among brahmins....but iyer gals with iyengar boys not the same way....sometimes

i myself very curious abt these combinations....lol
 
Dear Shri TBS,

Based on my limited experience and knowledge Iyer, Iyengar and the Shivalli brahmins from Karnataka are the smartest and the most beautiful people in the universe.
 
This is about a family that I know very well. It consists of four brothers. They have a rare Gothram. Now.......

First brother has one son and he has two sons of whom the first one did not marry a brahmin girl; second son is yet to be married.

Second brother has one son but he has only a daughter. Third brother does not have a son.

Fourth brother has two sons of whom one has only a daughter and the other married a North Indian girl.

So, the continuation of this rare Gothram by this family depends on the second grandson of the First brother. He has to marry a brahmin

girl and beget a son! That is the situation now and this might not improve in future in other Tambram families.

It is a real threat to the Tambram community and due to 'globalization', there is a possibility that this community might be extinct soon!

But, does it really matter because majority of tambrams do not follow the customs and traditions set for them!! :confused:
 
This is about a family that I know very well. It consists of four brothers. They have a rare Gothram. Now.......

First brother has one son and he has two sons of whom the first one did not marry a brahmin girl; second son is yet to be married.

Second brother has one son but he has only a daughter. Third brother does not have a son.

Fourth brother has two sons of whom one has only a daughter and the other married a North Indian girl.

So, the continuation of this rare Gothram by this family depends on the second grandson of the First brother. He has to marry a brahmin

girl and beget a son! That is the situation now and this might not improve in future in other Tambram families.

It is a real threat to the Tambram community and due to 'globalization', there is a possibility that this community might be extinct soon!

But, does it really matter because majority of tambrams do not follow the customs and traditions set for them!! :confused:


When you see the facts such as the above the danger of extinction seems to be real. But this could well not be the case. However for this to happen, the uniqueness of brahmin culture and the need to carry that forward by the present and future generation of Tambrahm should be understood.

We need a culture similar to that of brahmins always because, to my knowledge it is the only one that lays so much emphasis on the inner aspects of a human and makes us think about everything around us in a deeper way. By encouraging profoundness in our thinking it helps us gloss over trivial and unsubstantive issues preventing inanity in thought and action. If there were no such culture people would go after only their selfish motives blinded completely to real problems and there would be no sane voice to stop that and the ensuing disasters.

Technology cannot solve all the human problems and it is high time that the world and especially people from our community understand that. It is necessary for the latter to understand that because they have the innate characteristics to better grasp the consequences of the current state of affairs of the world and provide the voice of sanity.

I think it is incumbent on every Tambrahm family as a responsibility for the gifts that their members have naturally been endowed with, to see that the tambrahm community does not wither away due to the external pressures. They have to show grit and character to withstand the onslaught and I am sure it will succeed as anything without a selfish motive and for the long term benefit of the world in my view, is supported by nature.

So the most important thing is to see that the girls of the family marry within the community or at least within the brahmin community. The values for that to happen should preferably be inculcated from an early age. The ability to handle pressure is very important and parents should most importantly try to prepare the children for such external pressures. Undue importance to science and technology should be discouraged though not totally discouraged. Blind aping of western practices should be discouraged especially if it is a threat to values.

I think a concerted effort on this is needed by the community. But it is something if planned and executed well can definitely prevent the community from extinction.
 
Cross over between iyer-iyengar-madwa or a pan indian brahmin or brahmin friendly communities by marriage, conviction, or by becoming a sishya of a guru is not an issue at all; it has happened in the past and will happen in future too. Traditionally the girl adopted husband's beliefs; in a recent marriage between an iyengar boy and iyer girl, all ceremonies were done by the boy's and girl's side as per their tradition till mangalya dharanam; afterwards all as per iyengar tradition. Similar procedure for iyer boy - iyengar girl wedding. Since more such marriages are happening, the procedures are also streamlined. As long as the couple honour and practice the traditions of one sect - husband's or wive's - there will be continuity.

Another point - perhaps we are exposed only to level 1 society - iit/mbbs/ca/mba boy-girls earning high salaries, working abroad or on deputation or employed by big corporate with average family income of 30L per month. Most of the marriages in the level 2 - boy/girl with moderate education and earnings (10 to 15 lakh combined) happen within the same community and arranged by the parents. In level 3 with comparatively less education (just degrees) and moderate income, the marriages are still arranged.
 
Does Vedic tradition apply to all sections of Hindus?

Traditions do not 'apply' like a law in my understanding but evolve to portray the underlying significance of a teaching. My question to you is about the profound significance if any of wearing something in our forehead regardless of how it is done (horizantal or vertical or a dot)?
 
Another point - perhaps we are exposed only to level 1 society - iit/mbbs/ca/mba boy-girls earning high salaries, working abroad or on deputation or employed by big corporate with average family income of 30L per month. .

Is it per annum or per month...I thought it is 30 L per annum and not month...Probably only CEO of some MNC will get that
 
In order to spread awareness of the issue and also gauge response, I sent the magazine carrying the article mentioned in OP, to few of my friends and relatives.50% got really serious..They agreed that something needs to be done to stem the tide..Some laughed it away...For some I am yet to get a response

My 2 cents on this..Let us forward the article to as many people as possible..Even if there is self realization much can be achieved
 
A Brahmin girl who has an I C / I R wedding, follows only her husband's tradition. Brahmin boys who have I R weddings, mostly convert before wedding.

So the possible solution might be to accept all the Hindu girls who marry brahmin boys as brahmins and save the community! :)
 
A Brahmin girl who has an I C / I R wedding, follows only her husband's tradition. Brahmin boys who have I R weddings, mostly convert before wedding.

So the possible solution might be to accept all the Hindu girls who marry brahmin boys as brahmins and save the community! :)

maybe true.

but i have found NB hindus mostly stick to their religion, and the xtians/muslims convert. quite a few i know, the last one, good friends, mudaliars, son married a muslim girl, all with hindu rites. and son brought up with hindu name and way of life.
 
Namaste CHANDRU1849 ji,

Smarthas should not put Namam. The presiding deity of Smarthas is Lord Shiva.

I learnt that Smarthas are people that follow Smritis (Dharma Sastras Ex: Manu, Pippala, Goutama, Sandilya, Parashara etc.,)
And, the presiding deity of Smarthas can be Lord Vishnu, Lord Siva or any other God/Goddess.

Dear Forum Members, please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Jai SiyaRaam
 
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there is a post here somewhere that iyers are smarthas, implying, as i understand it, that we were such since times immemorial.

it would be interesting to know that iyers becamse smarthas only about 500 years ago, with the takeover of tamil nadu by the vijayanagar empire. along with it, came large scale migration of telugu/tamil speaking brahmins, naickers and a whole slew of other castes.

the telugu/kannada brahmins soon gained upper hand in the tamil lands as they had influence in the vijayanagar courts. gradually the telugu/kannada clans assumed overlordship of tamil nadu (something that they hold on even today - being the backbone of the dravidian movement initially)

these telugu/kannada brahmins were smartha followers of the sringeri mutt and adi sankara. the tamil brahmins were anything but that, and along with being part of the tamil community, also served as generals in both chozha and pandya kingdoms.

thanjavur, the cradle of tamil music became telugu/sanskritized with the successive naicker kings, and followed by the maratha rulers.

the tamil speaking brahmins, hitched their chariots to the upper hand wielding telugu brahmins, renounced the agama tradition, and adopted smartha customs and all this happened only a few hundred years ago, when we weaned ourselves from tamildom.

which might also explain why the doyens of modern carnatic music, with court patronage, turned out to be telugu brahmins, versed in telugu sanskrit, rather than the ancient language of the land, viz tamil.

for an interesting 10 part quick reading intersting narrative, here is yuvabharathy's blog spot .

mine is but a very short summary. for the full 10 parts, go to the bottom left of the main page and start with நாயக்கர் ஆட்சியில் தமிழகம் - தொடர் இடுகை - 01.

it starts with the founding of the vijayanagar empire, its conquest of the entire south, and goes on, till the arrival, (ofcourse) of the english :) enjoy!!

yuvabharathy has cited numerous historical works to prove his points and gives it some sense of authenticity.

an interesting excerpt from part 5...

ஆதிசங்கரர் கேரளத்தில் பிறந்தவர் எனினும் அவரது குருநாதர் ஆந்திரரான கோவிந்த பாதர். சங்கரர் நிறுவிய அத்வைத மடங்கள் நான்கு - வடக்கே பத்ரிநாதம்; மேற்கே துவாரகை; கிழக்கே பூரிஜகந்நாதம்; தெற்கே சிருங்கேரி. அவரது காலமான கி.பி.8-ஆம் நூற்றாண்டில் தமிழகத்தில் வைதீக நெறி சைவ - வைணவ நெறிகளின் தொடர்புடனே இருந்தது. பாசுபத சைவம் மட்டுமின்றி காஷ்மீர சைவமும் சோழர் காலத்தில் செல்வாக்குப் பெற்றது.

இவை பெரிதும் ஆகம வயப்பட்டவை; வருணாசிரமத்தைக் கொண்டாடுவனவல்ல. பிற்காலச் சோழர் ஆட்சியிலும், பாண்டியர் ஆட்சியிலும் பல பார்ப்பனர்களைப் படைத்தலைவர்களாகப் - அநிருத்தப் பிரம்மராயர், கிருஷ்ணன் ராமன் பிரம்மராயர், அருண்​மொழியான மும்முடிச் ​​சோழப் பிரம்மாதிராயர்,...எனப் - பார்க்கிறோம். வேள்வி இயற்றும் வைதீகர்களையும் பார்க்கிறோம்.

ஆனால் அத்வைத வைதீகர்களைக் காண்பதில்லை. மெய்கண்டதேவர் சித்தாந்த சைவம் வகுத்ததும், இராமானுஜர் விசிஷ்டாத்வைத வைணவம் வகுத்ததும் பிற்கால குலோத்துங்கர்கள் ஆட்சிக்காலத்தவை. நெறிகள் தத்துவ அடிப்படை கொண்ட சமயங்களாக இறுகிய காலம் அது.

தமிழ்ப் பார்ப்பனக் குலங்களில் பலவும் (ஐயர் பிரிவில் பல) சங்கர அத்வைதத்தை ஏற்றுக் கொண்டது விஜயநகர ஆட்சிக் காலத்திலேயே நேர்ந்திருக்கிறது. ஆட்சியதிகார நெருக்கத்தோடு தமிழகம் வந்த ஸ்மார்த்த அத்வைதத் தெலுங்குப் பார்ப்பனர்களைக் கண்டும், பின்பற்றியும் ஸ்மார்த்த அத்வைதத்தை உள்வாங்கிய வீதத்தின் அளவிலேயே அவற்றுக்கிடையிலான உயர்வு தாழ்வும் தீர்மானிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.
 
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Namaste CHANDRU1849 ji,



I learnt that Smarthas are people that follow Smritis (Dharma Sastras Ex: Manu, Pippala, Goutama, Sandilya, Parashara etc.,)
And, the presiding deity of Smarthas can be Lord Vishnu, Lord Siva or any other God/Goddess.

Dear Forum Members, please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Jai SiyaRaam
hi

genrally smarthas means onw who follows smritis....... ONLY SMARTHAS DO PANCHAYATANA PUJA.....means deties of vishnu,

shiva, gaanapathya, kaumara, and shaaktha.....SAIVAITES DO ONLY SHIVA PUJA/SHIVA PARIVARA PUJA.....VAISHNAVITES

DO ONLY VISHNU.....SMARTHAS WORSHIP EVERY DEITIES....
 
Per year only. Starting salary for teaching staff in any discipline as per 6th pay commission is 40K per month. I expect for engineers and mbas selected through campus interview may be higher.

Is it per annum or per month...I thought it is 30 L per annum and not month...Probably only CEO of some MNC will get that
 
Dear Shri TBS,

Based on my limited experience and knowledge Iyer, Iyengar and the Shivalli brahmins from Karnataka are the smartest and the most beautiful people in the universe.

Come on Sravna ji, the beautifulest people in the universe are the GSBs (Gaud Saraswat Brahmins). How many examples do you need?
 
A Brahmin girl who has an I C / I R wedding, follows only her husband's tradition. Brahmin boys who have I R weddings, mostly convert before wedding.

So the possible solution might be to accept all the Hindu girls who marry brahmin boys as brahmins and save the community! :)

I dont think this is generically true. What is followed after marriage depends on who wears the pants in the house. Often that is not the male.
 
Come on Sravna ji, the beautifulest people in the universe are the GSBs (Gaud Saraswat Brahmins). How many examples do you need?

Dear Biswa,

May be you are right. But what I said was only based on my limited knowledge.
 
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