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Dear Shri Prasad ji,

Your assumption that the Upanayanam was done in Rahukalam sounds a bit presumptious to me

While there is definitely a chance that the person & priest was ignorant my understanding of Rahu kalam is that it depends on the Sun rising & setting time...The Rahukalam & Ymagandam calculations are based on Sun rise at 6 AM & Sun set at 6.00 pm...The 12 hours are broken in to 8 intervals of 90 minutes each

Please see the table below:
Rahukalam differs from place to place depending on Sun-rise & Sun-set time. The day duration from Sun-rise to Sun-set, at a particular location, is divided into eight equal parts. There is no Rahu Kalam during the first period of any weekday. On Monday it falls on the 2nd period, Saturday 3rd period, Friday 4th period, Wednesday 5th period, Thursday 6th period, Tuesday 7th period & Sunday 8th period.
The following are the details of the Rahukalam (also known as rahukal or rahu kal) periods in in operation during the various week days. This is based on 6:00 AM local Sun-rise time and 6:00PM local Sun-set time. If the Sun-rise and Sun-set times are different, you can take the Day duration, divide it in to 8 equal parts and apply the above given formula.
Since the Raahu Kalam is dependent on the Sun-rise and Sun-set times of your particular location, you must calculate it for each day using the bellow method.
Your local Sun-rise & Sun-set times are usually given in the local news papers.
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Raahu Kaalam Calculation​
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[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Week day
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Example 1:
Sunrise 6:00 a.m.
Sunset 6:00 p.m.
1/8 of Day = 90 minutes
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]Example 2:
Sunrise 5:58 a.m.
Sunset 8:14 p.m.
1/8 of Day = 107 minutes
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[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]Example 3:
Sunrise 6:36 a.m.
Sunset 6:10 p.m.
1/8 of Day = 87 minutes
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[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Sunday
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]4:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]6:27 p.m. to 8:14 p.m.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]4:43 p.m. to 6:10 p.m.
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[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Monday
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]7:30 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]7:45 a.m. to 9:32 a.m.
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[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]8:02 a.m. to 9:30 a.m.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Tuesday
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]3:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]4:40 to 6:27 p.m.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]3:16 p.m. to 4:44 p.m.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Wednesday
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]12 noon to 1:30 p.m.
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]1:06 p.m. to 2:53 p.m.
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[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]12:23 p.m. to 1:50 p.m.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Thursday
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]1:30 p.m. to 3:00 p.m.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]2:53 p.m. to 4:40 p.m.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]1:49 p.m. to 3:17 p.m.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Friday
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]10:30 a.m. to 12 noon
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[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]11:19 a.m. to 1:06 p.m.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]10:56 p.m. to 12:23 p.m.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 60, bgcolor: transparent"]Saturday
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]9:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 153, bgcolor: transparent"]9:32 a.m. to 11:19 a.m.
[/TD]
[TD="width: 154, bgcolor: transparent"]9:29 a.m. to 10:57 a.m.
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Yamagandam​
Like Rahukalam the following periods known as Yamagandam during which it is considered to be inauspicious to start any important work.
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Monday​
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Tuesday​
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[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]
Wednesday​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]
Thursday​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]
Friday​
[/TD]
[TD="width: 73, bgcolor: transparent"]
Saturday​
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[TD="width: 73, bgcolor: transparent"]
Sunday​
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]10-30 AM
to
12-00 PM
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[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]09-00 AM
to
10-30 AM
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[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]07-30 AM
to
09.00 AM
[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]06-00 AM
to
07-30 AM
[/TD]
[TD="width: 72, bgcolor: transparent"]3-00 PM
to
4-30 PM
[/TD]
[TD="width: 73, bgcolor: transparent"]01-30 PM
to
03-00 PM
[/TD]
[TD="width: 73, bgcolor: transparent"]12-00 PM
to
01-30 PM
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So may be you can still check & confirm if the function was actually done in Rahu kalam?
 
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dear renukaji !
sringeri shankarachariar also said that religion(path ) may be different ,but the dharma(truth) will not be different .if we understand that the religion is for showing love to all,there may not be sorrow.
guruvayurappan
 
dear ravi!
very good explanation for the various feed back given by members.one a vegetable put for sale .its quality will be questioned even when the grower knows about his own produce freshness and quality .since somebody may post the happenings in the name of xyz as per your assumption,many will ask the person who post his observation in society with question "is it your own story with some body else's name ?"
guruvayurappan
 

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The following details are for the place Richmond, Virginia for 7th Oct, 2012.

Source: Panchangam:Panchangam for 2012

Sunrise: 07:12:13
Sunset: 18:42:12
Moon rise: 23:57:34

RK: 17:15:57-18:42:12
YM: 12:57:13-14:23:27

This shows that 5 - 5.15 pm is good time! :)
 
Raji Ram said:

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The following details are for the place Richmond, Virginia for 7th Oct, 2012.

Source: Panchangam:Panchangam for 2012

Sunrise: 07:12:13
Sunset: 18:42:12
Moon rise: 23:57:34

RK: 17:15:57-18:42:12
YM: 12:57:13-14:23:27

This shows that 5 - 5.15 pm is good time! :)
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Shri Prasad ji,

Your assumption of Rahukalam is erroneous which has caused the thread to be opinionated & drifted the thread in a particular direction.

The mother was genuine in organizing this function...As earlier pointed out by me she is not belittling any one...She is only trying to take solace in this ritual....She believes in our Hindu culture and want the young boy to understand the basic tenets of our religion
 
vgane said:
Shri Prasad ji,

Your assumption of Rahukalam is erroneous which has caused the thread to be opinionated & drifted the thread in a particular direction.

The mother was genuine in organizing this function...As earlier pointed out by me she is not belittling any one...She is only trying to take solace in this ritual....She believes in our Hindu culture and want the young boy to understand the basic tenets of our religion
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Hold on, STOP.
Who said anything about Richmond.
I never mentioned the place.
I do not believe in eliminating any time period from my activity. If I can close a business deal on RK, Saturday, on any inauspicious day I will do it. In an earlier post I argued that loosing 3 hours of a day on this "inauspiciousness" is loosing productivity. So let me be clear, I mentioned RK as one of my TB friends pointed out to me.
The OP was to draw attention to the changing value system even among TB community.
 
Dear Shri Prasad,

We are not discussing your belief...We are discussing about the belief of the hapless single & unwed mother...We are trying to ascertain the veracity of the Rahukalam statement...Allow us to question the basis of your conjecture
 
renuka said:
Dear sir,

She is divorcee and not an Unwed(she was married before)..the appropriate word would be Single Mother.
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I initially thought of the phrase single & divorced mother but later changed to single & unwed because we are discussing the current context of her being the mother of a child that is not borne out of wedlock(after her divorce)...As she is is not remarried after her divorce the phrase looked appropriate to me.
 
Dear friends,

I gave the rahu kAlam in Virginia, just to show that it is not between 4-30 - 6 p.m on Sundays all over the world!
Also, I wanted to give the panchAngam link to our forum members, because I find it very useful. :ranger:
 
If we tell the story of Gita upadesh, you should not be worried about the color of the horse or the age of the horse in Arjun's chariot. You have to be concerned with spiritual aspect of the teaching. Similarly you need to see the changing mores and not worried about some extraneous item.
For the curious, one of the senior TB leaders explained that the time period chosen was convenient and involved the 1/2 day rental of the hall. They wanted to have dinner for friends. Monday being holiday in USA it was convenient to have the function on Sunday. The auspiciousness did not enter into consideration. The choosing of time after noon itself varies from tradition.
 
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Ism is an english import. But there are words like brahmanam, kshaatram . . .

renuka said:
Good to know that you echo the same sentiments as me in most of your lines here.

Caturvarna is just a division of society it is not Brahminism, Kshatriyaism,Vaisyaism or Sudraism.
Such words are not found in any religious text.
Each Varna was carrying out their allotted duty without adding any "Ism" behind their community.
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I believe, the mother wanted to get back to the roots after a life of dollar chasing and committing many apathyams. Here too, many after a lifetime of corporate culture, western attire and bohemian life, realise what they have missed and start from the basics - nityakarmas, study religious literature, learn samskritam, visit temples and mutts and satsanghs; all acharyas and gurus help them to progress more in the vaidika path.

Whether the boy will follow what he has been given is upto him; the mother has done her duty.
 
Has anybody said or put it out that - Money, Wealth or Poverty no bar? Yes you will see adventurers and "dare-devils" and "happy go lucky" only in Amazon forests!
 
Iyyarooraan said:
Has anybody said or put it out that - Money, Wealth or Poverty no bar? Yes you will see adventurers and "dare-devils" and "happy go lucky" only in Amazon forests!
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Unless the whole world once again transforms into Amazon Jungle, and humans there in just live with what ever the forest could offer them!!! :)

Now people are chasing money and status at the cost of losing many fine values of the life. When they accumulate enough or more than enough, again they end up finding something so desperately and give way to the existence of thousands of God Men. The cycle goes on and on with the power of Money BUT a person as an individual ends up having bundle of pains and sorrows. Wish, India does not end up having 1000s of lone individuals, suffering in isolation.



 
In city’s old age homes, loneliness is a constant companion - Indian Express

The distant look in their eyes seems to indicate a wait for a familiar face. The wrinkled faces lost in thought have numerous stories to narrate. But there are not many to listen.


There are four old age homes in the city.


In some cases, senior citizens have been left at these homes by their families. In others, they volunteer to come and live here. But each day in these homes is a reminder — often painful — of the life they spent with their families.

The story is same in all cities. My friend runs an old people's home in Tanjore. He has housed 75 widows, can not house any more, and has to turn them away. The problem exist, we can see it today if we look close enough. Or we can selective look and be happy that the problem does not exist.
 
Old age homes in India are inhabited by the old people who have lived a meaningful life and could give meaningful life to their children, living with the sense of family values. It's just that, they are unfortunate to be made to dwell their in their old age, unattended by their own children and grandchildren DUE to Either wrong attitudes of their own children/DIL/SIL OR due to Circumstances.

I am only worried that India should not be populated with Single Father, Single Mother and be left unattended much before they get too old, by their own son or daughter who have vanished in the fantasies of the world, being not exposed to the significance and meaningfulness of what is called Family system and Family values.

Many widows are left in old age homes in their ripe old age by their children, either due to their wrong attitude OR due to Circumstances.

I am just worried that India should not be populated with Single Mother and Single Father and be suffering in isolation much before they grow old, without any sensible valid grounds.

 
Mr. Ravi,
Loneliness and single parents are not Synonyms. Single parents have same social standing in the west. They have friends and other family members. Some even have good relation with their ex-family.
May be the english language is the barrier.

I am just worried that India should not be populated with Single Mother and Single Father and be suffering in isolation much before they grow old, without any sensible valid grounds.
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Raji Ram said:
Dear friends,

I gave the rahu kAlam in Virginia, just to show that it is not between 4-30 - 6 p.m on Sundays all over the world!
Also, I wanted to give the panchAngam link to our forum members, because I find it very useful. :ranger:
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Some thoughts :-)

I wonder if Rahu Kalam can be calculated at the Poles (South Pole for example) . The days are forever :-)

In USA it is not easily known by looking at regular time at the clock since people do not know always when the sun rises. Also there are daylight savings time changes kicking in on a date determined by US congress (which has changed this several times over the past 30 years).
 
prasad1 said:
Hey what is this new Avatar? Change from fighting Rat to a band? Is it change of personality as well?
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Dear Prasad Ji,

My new Avatar is Fantastic 4.

How could you forget so fast?

Those 2 guys in these pic is you(Prasad) and Brahin..Amala is the pretty chick there and I am that Brick person there!LOL

The fantastic Jalra 4!

fantastic_four.jpg
 
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vgane said:
I initially thought of the phrase single & divorced mother but later changed to single & unwed because we are discussing the current context of her being the mother of a child that is not borne out of wedlock(after her divorce)...As she is is not remarried after her divorce the phrase looked appropriate to me.
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Dear sir,

Unwed mother still sounds a little not too proper cos she did not have an affair with anyone to conceive this child.

She conceived thru Artificial Insemination so I still prefer the usage of the term Single Mother.

In fact in this case the child was conceived purely with the intention of begetting a progeny and no sex or lust was ever involved.

Most other human beings are born through married parents mainly in a moment of passion or even as a failure of contraception.

Very few people copulate purely for begetting a child..mostly pregnancy is a side effect of passion.
 
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mostly pregnancy is a side effect of passion.
hi
this is generally before marriage....after marriage its by product of passion....lol
 
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