Shri Yamaka,
Your post #153, #154 & #155 are very clear as its been posted in response to specific clarifications/suggestions been sought from you.
So in Nut Shall, your conclusion is, you just want to be constructive to what is clear before you as controllable/adjustable/choosable/preparable and that is with ramdomness AND you just want to ignore anything else that is not crystal clearly visible / provable to you in Black & White, leading to many a destruction?. Correct me if I am wrong.
Do you think that just because humans are going crazy, violent, extremely selfish, croocked and manupulative -
One has to live a wholesome life and for that one need not to have God, Religion and Poorva Janma Karma-As you have concluded in your post #153 addressing to Shiv.
- Can you clearly identify as how one need to live a wholesome life to his/her fullest satisfaction?
- Do you believe that it doesn't matter how you amass wealth as long as you give it back to the society in charity?
- Do you believe that the wholesome life can be achieved by any one leading a righteous life with professional ethics clubbed with social
responsibilites, being into legal business/work?
- Do you believe that if a person coudn't achieve his wholesome life it means he/she is dumb? He/she did not or could not learn the right skills? His or her genes have taken a wrong decision to manifest in the womb of a poor or dumb mother having a poor / dumb husband, due to lack of Genes intelligence? When the qualiities of genes of the offsprings are based on the quality of the Genes of parent's and parents generation to some extent atleast, do you think that the world/nature that you visualize is doing injustice to those offsprings?
You say that your wife loves you for what you are and would prefer you to be clear and confident being not believing in God and poorva janma karma, unlike herself. - In your post #154, addressing to me
- That is perfectly OK, as long as you are a good husband, a good father and a humanist. As well a intelligent person with clarity of mind and confidence. As well, as long as you don't restrict your wife from what she wants to do in the name of God and spirituality to her satisfaction as per her belief (though not sure of such things, as many are), you are truly a true human that natures wants.
If you think that all of your positivities are not due to poorva janma kama and that in fact is not the truth, as you have build up yourself from the scratch, having undergone lots of ordeals, struggles etc..etc, do you think that you could succeed only because there was nothing uncontrollable and unpleasant mishap took place in your living activities just due to your intelligence and random phenomina, favourably?. A good friend, a helping person; a good, loving and understanding wife and children ect. that you got in your life are all just due random process in favour?
"Law of Randomness will play whether or not you believe in God, Religion and Teory of Porva Janma Karma" - as per your concluding statement in your post #155, addressing to Shri Sangom.
-You are clearly figuring out and suggesting that "let us live a life as true human, irrespective of existence of God and Porva Janma Karma. So do you believe that, every other human if wish to be a true human can be so? And if they tend to be unsuccessful in a due many internal and external uncontrolable reasons, if they be into wrong ways and means to live a wholesome life, if they tend to be violent and aggresive and If they fail to live a righteous life but could untimately live confortably,keeping heir family happy, till their death (without being subjected to human judical systems), than they will be considered just being under the influence of Ramdom phenomina playing against/in favor of them just as a game of Randomness during their life span and would not be subjected to reasonable punishment for their wrong doing ever by any other ways?
In all are you saying that we all are just like machines (with standard programs inbuild) that are not subjected to reasonbale punishment and reward for its mal functions and perfect operations respectively?
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Can you clearly identify as how one need to live a wholesome life to his/her fullest satisfaction?
My "wholesome life" is simple - Be a hard working Scientist (working harder than anybody around me), excellent husband, father, good neighbor lending a helping hand if someone needs me... etc. etc. and be socially conscious.. my political philosophy is more towards a progressive side than the conservative side. In Crime & Punishment, I cry for the victims, and am hard on villains... on certain heinous crimes I support Death Penalty, after a thorough judicial review. When an "innocent person" is punished, I get very upset and angry.
For me, the Social, Political and Economic Freedoms are very important more than being a millionaire or billionaire... after a point, for me, money is NOTHING...
What guides me through on a daily basis?
I simply ask "What do I expect from others around me?" The answer I get is "Be nice and reasonable to me, and follow the law of the land".
That's exactly what I follow: Be nice and reasonable to OTHERS and follow the law of the land.
2. Whatever I have in my life is BECAUSE of our (here I include my family) hard work, good planning, sacrifice and some LUCK (which is being at the right place at the right time, which happens to everyone).
No, Janma Poorva Karma has no place in my life.
But I believe the Karma as something of an ACTION or decision that my family made, and as a consequence the RESULT is here in this life time! I must love or hate this RESULT in this life time!! That's all.
3. In all are you saying that we all are just like machines (with standard programs inbuild) that are not subjected to reasonbale punishment and reward for its mal functions and perfect operations respectively?
I am not saying we are machines - we are human beings with all sorts of feelings, emotions...pity, piety, anger, bigotry etc etc...
What all I am saying is, depending on the decisions you and your family have made, RESULTS (or the consequences) would occur.. accept it and move on... all happens in this one life... precious life time.
No Rebirth.. No Poorva Jarma Karma for me.
That's all.
4. I never ever interfered with the religious or spiritual life of my wife or children... I strongly believe they have their own Civil Rights...
They are free to believe in any God or Religion that makes sense to THEM...My children were raised in a Secular environment... We did not give any particular religious lessons to kids growing up... But, once they reached 18, we said "You are free to follow or NOT follow any religion or God".
You may say, "Well Y..., how could you expect your kids to be religious if you have not taught them any?"
That's the point in all this... our parents force fed us "Their religion and Gods" and the whole things took the turn of "A person is Hindu because his father is Hindu or she is X because his parents are X".
This I did not want to do... that was our (my wife's and mine) considered decision to raise our kids in a Secular Household...
But, my kids were taught the difference between Hinduism, Islam, Christianity etc etc... as a matter of history and human development...
Now, as adults, my kids appreciate very much that we did not force feed them any ideas of OUR Religion and Gods... and are given their own CHOICE...
We are very happy about it...
Cheers.
ps. I strongly believe Religions and Gods by their very nature CREATE conflicts and chaos.. Why do you want it?