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Dear Amala,

Did you read about the two grand weddings that Kunjuppu Sir is going to attend in India? Some girl's parents feel that

it will affect their prestige if the wedding expense is shared with the grooms side, where as some agree for a grand gala

wedding, sharing equally. The poor people are always put to task be it a guy or a girl and more so if their parents are

dependents. That is what I wanted to say! I feel very bad for those beautiful girls but even handsome guys who earn less

find it difficult to get brides.


One newbie has given his ad. in our matrimonial forum and has mentioned that his parents are dependent and their family

is orthodox. I know very well that it is difficult to search and a girl he expects. I can only wish him all the best in his search! :)

a guy like this, should offer to marry free of cost, or foot 100% of the expenses, and maybe his 'luck' will significantly improve. i a serious.
 
Oye Ravi khush reh paape

Now coming to C Ravi,

You seem to think that females these days want a husband straight out of samsung's evolutionary husband ad or something like that.

However to be pertinent, bhai your despondency is unnerving. Dost bahut mayoos malum padte ho. Poori duniya ka bojh apne kandhe pe uthaoge to jeena mushkil ho jayega.. Look I am not trivialising your experience but still........

As I see it, in this thread you have expressed three major concerns.

1. Preservation of your culture and way of life AS YOU SEE IT.

This is a perfectly legitimate aim and even though your posts suggest a strong undertone of eugenic purity of blood thing, it is fine by me. I mean I can not relate to it but to each his own. I do not think one needs to be criticised for trying to preserve what one holds dear but pray tell me how will your despondency help your cause. Since you identify very strongly with your Brahmin identity your despondency does great disservice to your own community. Come on dost, whatever be Hinduisms faults(there are many) if Hinduism in its sankritised form is alive in S.India its because of naked will your ancestors who despite facing murderous threats of inquisition held aloft the flag of Hinduism. Surely your predicament is not that dire.

2. Bhestern influenza:

I have a bone to pick with you on this one and I may reply to this in live-in relationship thread.Or maybe not. You come across as mild mannered and genuinely concerned unlike one other poster who I am very tempted to toy around with( blame my new age tidsy bidsy time passer wisdom for that:p:cool:).

3. Aaj kal ki kudiyaan bhery bhery bad.

If you think that today's girls are overtly materialistic then I have news, even the girls who do not earn well don't find guys easily. Even if they are pretty.
You may ask so why don't they marry somebody who earns equivalent to them. Good question and I asked this question to two females.

One is my cousin sis who earns the least amongst us cousins ( 35k in hand) and other is a Tam Brahm didi who married "down"(arranged marriage to a Tam Brahm guy only so don't worry:tongue1: . Didi is a rank holder in C.A. and studied in India's best commerce college. At marriage was earning 14lpa and jeeju 8lpa. 7 yrs after marriage jeeju is stuck at 14lpa and didi earning 36lpa and knocking at the doors of the partnership in her firm.)

From their answers what I could make out was that females are very perceptive.

Let me elaborate and I am paraphrasing them:

Both of them said that life dishes out nonsense on daily basis yet the sharpness of it is felt the most by those who have internalised the parameters that a society sets for success and realise that they are not there where they should be due to either bad luck/frustated ambitions or plain incompetence. Add to this human nature being what it is generally this frustration is unleashed at the person you are closest to(generally the spouse). Initially one may adjust but soon these adjustments will turn to resentments which is not worth it. Thus unless they are able to gauge the guy in 4-5 meetings they wont say yes in such cases.
So take it FWIW.

Ravi, your females are your strength and are not devoid of reason. Dont demonise them.
Agar har kisi ko koyla hi samjhoge to jo heera dhoondne ki koshish kar rahe ho woh tumhein dikhega bhi nahin.

I wrote all this not to belittle you or trivialise your experience, just that a young man should come across as so despondent.

I wish you luck in your search. God bless.Khush reh
 
a guy like this, should offer to marry free of cost, or foot 100% of the expenses, and maybe his 'luck' will significantly improve. .....
Dear sir,

Sorry to say this. Even the lower middle class girls opt the high salaried NBs to low income Bs. I am not attacking the

tambram girls. But that is the situation now! It is an unsaid rule that the girl's income should be given to her husband.

That has to change.. but will it? Some dependent parents have ONLY one or two daughters and what will be their plight

if the mind set of tambrams do not change? That is the reason for the 'conditions' laid by girls even before the wedding

and it is correct because parents are parents, whether his or hers! :)

Blessed are those who are independent parents. :thumb:
 
A swayamvaram is to be conducted at Ernakulam late this year (August?) and some persons are collecting data of all the

unmarried brahmin girls and boys of Kerala, up to the age of 50, who are in the low income group. Sri. Seshadrinathan has

been invited to give a special lecture at the hall and an astrologer will be available to check the 'rough' match of horoscopes.

The idea is to bring together all the prospective brides and grooms and make them understand that a healthy spouse is needed

for a happy married life and not ONLY the money! Sri. SN told me that a girl earning around 2000 p m wanted an officer husband

but after counselling by some elders, she got married to an assistant cook in a catering group and now takes care of the

accounts of the caterer for a slightly higher salary. Now she is very happy helping with kolam, arathi + other things needed

for the wedding and gets additional income too. :)
 
Dear Sri Delhi6 Ji,

You said:
( both lau and arranged). 3 cousins had lau IC marriages.]

I had a big chuckle reading this, remembering a scene from one of my most ever favorite movies 'My cousin Vinnie', when the judge asks Vinnie, 'Yute! Yute! What is a Yute?" :)

By thev way, what is a 'punju' and a 'bong'? First one sounds like denoting an 'effeminate' and the second - well, I better not say :).

Regards,
KRS
 
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Dear Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

My eldest son married a girl whose family is well known and so on their nickel had a grand wedding.

My youngest married a girl from very modest circumstances - did not have a big wedding, only a handful attending.

Both are having, knock on wood, beautiful married lives.

Goes to show, wedding are social functions, have no impact on the marriages.

I also know of an instance, when a divorced girl (as they say, innocent), was not even invited to her own cousin's wedding - the so called 'educated' parents of the girls decided not to invite her on the basis of 'bad luck' and the shame they felt in introducing this girl to the Sambandhis!

Our 'tradition' has lots of these cruelties built in, in my opinion.

Regards,
KRS
 
Dear Sri Delhi6 Ji,

You said:


I had a big chuckle reading this, remembering a scene from one of my most ever favorite movies 'My cousin Vinnie', when the judge asks Vinnie, 'Yute! Yute! What is a Yute?" :)

By thev way, what is a 'punju' and a 'bong'? First one sounds like denoting an 'effeminate' and the second - well, I better not say :).

Regards,
KRS

Sir, Punju is Delhi speak for Punjabi and Bong for Bengali.

Also I can't see my own post!!!
 
Like Rahi ram said before,

Guys should just focus completely on career/earning right from school days and stay disciplined.

And marry at or before 25,go for arranged marriage,if not brahmin go for naidu/naicker/pillaimaar,they r fine too.
If you meant telugu speaking females with the first one, please be aware telugu communities liked to receive big dowries. As a result, male children were preferred. Female foeticide must have existed, due to which males exceed females. Am told the status quo presently is for telugu speaking guys to seek brides from karnataka, maharashtra, orissa. This is due to shortage of females in telugu speaking communities.
 
so the older girl, married the drummer of the band, a evangelistic christian.
One girl, from extended family, was dark skinned. Found no takers. Was depressed, dejected, hurt with comments on her looks. This happened in days when in an arranged marriage set up the girl was typically displayed to the prospective groom's side and groom's side could comment as they please (pl note this is a NB family). The girl advanced well into her late 20s (considered past the prime back then). Then a christian guy came along. They decided to marry. All relatives from the girl's side protested stoutly. The girl's parents were so fed up of hypocrisy and crass comments from relatives, they decided to support their daughter. And in a defiant show of protest against relatives (plus to show support for their daughter) converted into christians themselves, with their sons in tow. To me, shunning a girl for her color, is no short of apartheid.
 
palindrome,

This is a very good example of how casteism is dominating the Hindu community. Kudos to those parents. They have done their parental duties well.

Ours is also a racist society. How can one say that one is not acceptable just based on skin color? I don't blame the girl.

I hope those who shout the loudest about conversions take heed. If a society can not take care her children then there are other solutions.

Regards,
KRS




One girl, from extended family, was dark skinned. Found no takers. Was depressed, dejected, hurt with comments on her looks. This happened in days when in an arranged marriage set up the girl was typically displayed to the prospective groom's side and groom's side could comment as they please (pl note this is a NB family). The girl advanced well into her late 20s (considered past the prime back then). Then a christian guy came along. They decided to marry. All relatives from the girl's side protested stoutly. The girl's parents were so fed up of hypocrisy and crass comments from relatives, they decided to support their daughter. And in a defiant show of protest against relatives (plus to show support for their daughter) converted into christians themselves, with their sons in tow. To me, shunning a girl for her color, is no short of apartheid.
 
........To me, shunning a girl for her color, is no short of apartheid.
Dear Palindrome,

Well said. Some years back, guys used to reject girl for several reasons like color, less height, more weight and

sometimes even for wearing spectacles! Now guys are in a tit for tat situation because of the high education and

financial independence of girls!
 
Many brahmin girls in Kerala, especially from lower middle class are lured by Muslim guys and elope with them because

their parents are neither able to find a suitable guy nor spend money for the wedding!

From
LOVE JIHAD:


This author has tried to expose how the Muslim boys and men reportedly target school and college girls belonging to

non-Muslim communities for conversion to Islam by feigning love, called “Love-Jihad”, mainly in the southern Indian

state of Kerala and the adjoining state of Karnataka. It has also been mentioned that in October 2009, the Karnataka

government announced its intentions to counter Love- Jihad, which
“appeared to be a serious issue”
 
Dear Sri Delhi6 Ji,
............By thev way, what is a 'punju' and a 'bong'? First one sounds like denoting an 'effeminate' and the second - well, I better not say :)......
Dear K R S Sir,
I am searching for the post by Delhi6 Ji! :fish2:

It has not appeared yet! :)
 
Dear Sri Delhi6 Ji and Srimathi RR Ji,

I have just asked Sri Praveen Ji to look in to this. Must be somehow connected with Sri Delhi6 Ji being a newbie. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Regards,
KRS
 
KRS Sir and Raji Ma'am,

Please do not call me ji. Although I am no longer in my YUTE, I am a nanha for both of you.:D

Regards
Abhisheik
 
Now coming to C Ravi,

You seem to think that females these days want a husband straight out of samsung's evolutionary husband ad or something like that.

However to be pertinent, bhai your despondency is unnerving. Dost bahut mayoos malum padte ho. Poori duniya ka bojh apne kandhe pe uthaoge to jeena mushkil ho jayega.. Look I am not trivialising your experience but still........

As I see it, in this thread you have expressed three major concerns.

1. Preservation of your culture and way of life AS YOU SEE IT.

This is a perfectly legitimate aim and even though your posts suggest a strong undertone of eugenic purity of blood thing, it is fine by me. I mean I can not relate to it but to each his own. I do not think one needs to be criticised for trying to preserve what one holds dear but pray tell me how will your despondency help your cause. Since you identify very strongly with your Brahmin identity your despondency does great disservice to your own community. Come on dost, whatever be Hinduisms faults(there are many) if Hinduism in its sankritised form is alive in S.India its because of naked will your ancestors who despite facing murderous threats of inquisition held aloft the flag of Hinduism. Surely your predicament is not that dire.

2. Bhestern influenza:

I have a bone to pick with you on this one and I may reply to this in live-in relationship thread.Or maybe not. You come across as mild mannered and genuinely concerned unlike one other poster who I am very tempted to toy around with( blame my new age tidsy bidsy time passer wisdom for that:p:cool:).

3. Aaj kal ki kudiyaan bhery bhery bad.

If you think that today's girls are overtly materialistic then I have news, even the girls who do not earn well don't find guys easily. Even if they are pretty.
You may ask so why don't they marry somebody who earns equivalent to them. Good question and I asked this question to two females.

One is my cousin sis who earns the least amongst us cousins ( 35k in hand) and other is a Tam Brahm didi who married "down"(arranged marriage to a Tam Brahm guy only so don't worry:tongue1: . Didi is a rank holder in C.A. and studied in India's best commerce college. At marriage was earning 14lpa and jeeju 8lpa. 7 yrs after marriage jeeju is stuck at 14lpa and didi earning 36lpa and knocking at the doors of the partnership in her firm.)

From their answers what I could make out was that females are very perceptive.

Let me elaborate and I am paraphrasing them:

Both of them said that life dishes out nonsense on daily basis yet the sharpness of it is felt the most by those who have internalised the parameters that a society sets for success and realise that they are not there where they should be due to either bad luck/frustated ambitions or plain incompetence. Add to this human nature being what it is generally this frustration is unleashed at the person you are closest to(generally the spouse). Initially one may adjust but soon these adjustments will turn to resentments which is not worth it. Thus unless they are able to gauge the guy in 4-5 meetings they wont say yes in such cases.
So take it FWIW.

Ravi, your females are your strength and are not devoid of reason. Dont demonise them.
Agar har kisi ko koyla hi samjhoge to jo heera dhoondne ki koshish kar rahe ho woh tumhein dikhega bhi nahin.

I wrote all this not to belittle you or trivialise your experience, just that a young man should come across as so despondent.

I wish you luck in your search. God bless.Khush reh

DelhiJi some of us here Hindi know not, so it would be very kind to translate whatever that important to your post so we can follow. Of course if it just trivial banter no worries :). Thanks in advance
 
However due to despondency of one particular member (C. Ravi bhai thats you), a sudden flurry of threads on somewhat related topics and attendant demonisation of females especially TB's I have decided to post.

This will be a perspective from north of Vindhyas and that too of a very urban dilliwallah.
Few caveats before I proceed:

1. My family for last 3 generations has practiced inter-caste marriage. Maternal grandparents had arranged inter caste one. Barring my mom, all chittis had inter-caste marriages ( both lau and arranged). 3 cousins had lau IC marriages. Family now spans across the whole caste spectrum and much of India's geography. Btw does it make me Intellectually migrated? (charming phrase I must say.)

2. I see a perceptible trend in Delhi in middle class. That of arranged inter caste marriages. Must have attended 70 odd in last 8 years. To the horror of purists out here two of them were TB families. One with punju guy and other with bong female. I can assure you they were purely arranged and not lau cum arranged.

3. I have been brought by a career woman, all 9 of my chitttis were career woman, so are my cousin sisters and friends. I have huge respect for them. I am no feminist but am not anti female either. I also confess that the females who are like lilies that wilt in heat are not my cup of tea.

So read whatever I post in that light.

Delhi6 Bhai,

It is your misconception that many following threads on the topic of "TB culture" and "indecent dressing of some women" are the outcome of despondency of "one particular member", that's me.

It clearly shows your utter lack of understanding my stand or shows that you are just representing on behalf of select others. So pity!!


Your above post is absolutely irrelevant in this thread. Dunno what you want to establish by giving detailed history of your mixed up family?

We know that there are many mixed up generations existed and would continue to exist. It is the outcome of individuals choice. No one can do anything about it.


Many members do have high regard and respect for ladies, including myself. You are not the one super hero here. You are ridiculously making an attempt to castigate male members who are posting in this thread topic, hinting at them as folks with no respect for ladies. You are utterly confused probably like few others here.

Ironically you want me to read your irrelevant post! LOL!!!


The topic here is to highlight "those" TB girls who want to stick to Tambram community and so are in the marriage market, expressing their unreasonable demands and expectations from TB guys. The whole debate is revolving around this. If these girl want to get mixed up with other caste who gonna stop them?? If they so wish, why they still are in search of Jack Pot from the same community? Rather, why don't they search every where and get married before they hit at least 30 years of age?? Why they still continue to remain single at their age of 30-35+ and are interviewing TB guys on phones and chat along with their parents? Why are they wasting time restricting themselves to TB guys and losing the charm of their life?

As long as Tb girls at 30-35 years of age continue to appear in TB marriage market and express that they are looking for Brahmin guys, such questions as indicated above would continue to exist. Try to understand the gist of the thread topic and the posts that are appearing here. This is not a rocket science to find it hard to understand.

Despite of my so many post on the basis of above questions to these girls, still many long standing members are unable to grasp the import. I can understand your situation.

One more suggestion. You should go through all the post of a member to understand better about his/her stand before coming to such ridiculous conclusion.


Introspect on the above to understand what myself and like minded male and female members here are expressing.

 
Now coming to C Ravi,

You seem to think that females these days want a husband straight out of samsung's evolutionary husband ad or something like that.

However to be pertinent, bhai your despondency is unnerving. Dost bahut mayoos malum padte ho. Poori duniya ka bojh apne kandhe pe uthaoge to jeena mushkil ho jayega.. Look I am not trivialising your experience but still........

Oye Delhi6 paape,

Who said that TB girls of today are expecting a husband straight out of samsung's evolutionary husband and or something like that? When I read your previous post, I though your are utterly confused. But, after reading this post of yours, its clear to me that you don't know what your are reading, what your are understanding and what you are talking. So sad!!

​Regarding your statement in Hindi Transliteration - How you are concluding that I am taking the whole social responsibility on my shoulder and making my life harder?

Oh My God!! Where from are you? If you are a Punjabi, I suggest you to stick to your Punjabi community forums and express your concerns on Punjabi society and Punjabi Posters. I am advising you because you consider me as your Bhai (brother) and so I do. Kindly consider it in positive spirit and take care of yourself. If your break your head in this TB society forum you will be literally wasting your time and energy. No use.


As I see it, in this thread you have expressed three major concerns.

1. Preservation of your culture and way of life AS YOU SEE IT.

This is a perfectly legitimate aim and even though your posts suggest a strong undertone of eugenic purity of blood thing, it is fine by me. I mean I can not relate to it but to each his own. I do not think one needs to be criticised for trying to preserve what one holds dear but pray tell me how will your despondency help your cause. Since you identify very strongly with your Brahmin identity your despondency does great disservice to your own community. Come on dost, whatever be Hinduisms faults(there are many) if Hinduism in its sankritised form is alive in S.India its because of naked will your ancestors who despite facing murderous threats of inquisition held aloft the flag of Hinduism. Surely your predicament is not that dire.

Common dost, try to understand. It is not a rocket science. Better late than never, keep trying to understand better, you will achieve for sure, one fine day.

What ever TB culture we are adopting now are off course a different version of our ancestors who lived with utmost orthodoxy. Now its in a different form and certainly staunch orthodoxy almost doesn't exist.

What ever exists now as TB culture still carries its significance with its uniqueness and specialties. Myself and like minded members are cherishing this TB culture of what we have without losing the fundamental aspects of TB culture, traditions, eating habits, spirituality etc..etc, having adopted the changes given the changing and demanding scenario. We continue to value our culture and find questioning our stand on our culture, utterly ridiculous.

It is obvious that, TB's who have mixed with other caste, hates TB customs/traditions, started eating Non-Veg, having boyfriend/girlfriend sexual friendship, live in relationship would rise fingers on other TB's who value the prevailing TB culture retaining the fundamental aspects. In such a case I can understand your position.



2. Bhestern influenza:

I have a bone to pick with you on this one and I may reply to this in live-in relationship thread.Or maybe not. You come across as mild mannered and genuinely concerned unlike one other poster who I am very tempted to toy around with( blame my new age tidsy bidsy time passer wisdom for that:p:cool:).

I don't know what sort of disease or dysfunction you are talking about. Once you come up about that in detail, I shall respond to that, if I find it worth responding.


3. Aaj kal ki kudiyaan bhery bhery bad.

If you think that today's girls are overtly materialistic then I have news, even the girls who do not earn well don't find guys easily. Even if they are pretty.
You may ask so why don't they marry somebody who earns equivalent to them. Good question and I asked this question to two females.

One is my cousin sis who earns the least amongst us cousins ( 35k in hand) and other is a Tam Brahm didi who married "down"(arranged marriage to a Tam Brahm guy only so don't worry:tongue1: . Didi is a rank holder in C.A. and studied in India's best commerce college. At marriage was earning 14lpa and jeeju 8lpa. 7 yrs after marriage jeeju is stuck at 14lpa and didi earning 36lpa and knocking at the doors of the partnership in her firm.)

From their answers what I could make out was that females are very perceptive.

Let me elaborate and I am paraphrasing them:

Both of them said that life dishes out nonsense on daily basis yet the sharpness of it is felt the most by those who have internalised the parameters that a society sets for success and realise that they are not there where they should be due to either bad luck/frustated ambitions or plain incompetence. Add to this human nature being what it is generally this frustration is unleashed at the person you are closest to(generally the spouse). Initially one may adjust but soon these adjustments will turn to resentments which is not worth it. Thus unless they are able to gauge the guy in 4-5 meetings they wont say yes in such cases.
So take it FWIW.

Your's another ridiculous accusation on me, that, I consider - "3. Aaj kal ki kudiyaan bhery bhery bad."

How could you conclude that I consider all the girls of today are very very bad??

What you want to establish by indicating the unexpected unpleasant events, twist and turns in a family life?

Who is opposing a girl's choice to gauge the guy in 4-5 meetings before opting to marry one? Who said that it is a wrong practice? Who said that, all Men today, given the present scenario don't want to gauge the girl in 4-5 meetings before deciding to marry her?

Delhi6 bhai. You are utterly confused. I can say only this much.

Ravi, your females are your strength and are not devoid of reason. Dont demonise them.
Agar har kisi ko koyla hi samjhoge to jo heera dhoondne ki koshish kar rahe ho woh tumhein dikhega bhi nahin.

Who said that our females are not our strength? People like me only believe that females are our strength and they would give meaning to our life by having them for our life.

How are you concluding that I am demonizing all the girls? How are you concluding (indicating your conclusion in Hindi Transliteration) that, I am considering all the girls as coals? And that I am losing the sight of diamond in my consideration of all girls as Coal?

LOL!!! You are terribly hilarious!

My dear younger brother/older brother, given this thread topic, it is other way round.

I know you can not understand what I am coming to say. But, still I am taking all these efforts as your well wisher.


I wrote all this not to belittle you or trivialise your experience, just that a young man should come across as so despondent.

No No!! You have written all this with out knowing what I said in all my posts. You have written all these out of your utter misunderstanding of my posts. I can understand your position. So don't worry my brother, I will not mistake you. You are a victim of some kind.

I wish you luck in your search. God bless.Khush reh


Thank you for your wishes. God bless you too. I will be more happy if you develop clarity in what you read and what your write.
 
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Now coming to C Ravi,

You seem to think that females these days want a husband straight out of samsung's evolutionary husband ad or something like that.

However to be pertinent, bhai your despondency is unnerving. Dost bahut mayoos malum padte ho. Poori duniya ka bojh apne kandhe pe uthaoge to jeena mushkil ho jayega.. Look I am not trivialising your experience but still........

As I see it, in this thread you have expressed three major concerns.

1. Preservation of your culture and way of life AS YOU SEE IT.

This is a perfectly legitimate aim and even though your posts suggest a strong undertone of eugenic purity of blood thing, it is fine by me. I mean I can not relate to it but to each his own. I do not think one needs to be criticised for trying to preserve what one holds dear but pray tell me how will your despondency help your cause. Since you identify very strongly with your Brahmin identity your despondency does great disservice to your own community. Come on dost, whatever be Hinduisms faults(there are many) if Hinduism in its sankritised form is alive in S.India its because of naked will your ancestors who despite facing murderous threats of inquisition held aloft the flag of Hinduism. Surely your predicament is not that dire.

2. Bhestern influenza:

I have a bone to pick with you on this one and I may reply to this in live-in relationship thread.Or maybe not. You come across as mild mannered and genuinely concerned unlike one other poster who I am very tempted to toy around with( blame my new age tidsy bidsy time passer wisdom for that:p:cool:).

3. Aaj kal ki kudiyaan bhery bhery bad.

If you think that today's girls are overtly materialistic then I have news, even the girls who do not earn well don't find guys easily. Even if they are pretty.
You may ask so why don't they marry somebody who earns equivalent to them. Good question and I asked this question to two females.

One is my cousin sis who earns the least amongst us cousins ( 35k in hand) and other is a Tam Brahm didi who married "down"(arranged marriage to a Tam Brahm guy only so don't worry:tongue1: . Didi is a rank holder in C.A. and studied in India's best commerce college. At marriage was earning 14lpa and jeeju 8lpa. 7 yrs after marriage jeeju is stuck at 14lpa and didi earning 36lpa and knocking at the doors of the partnership in her firm.)

From their answers what I could make out was that females are very perceptive.

Let me elaborate and I am paraphrasing them:

Both of them said that life dishes out nonsense on daily basis yet the sharpness of it is felt the most by those who have internalised the parameters that a society sets for success and realise that they are not there where they should be due to either bad luck/frustated ambitions or plain incompetence. Add to this human nature being what it is generally this frustration is unleashed at the person you are closest to(generally the spouse). Initially one may adjust but soon these adjustments will turn to resentments which is not worth it. Thus unless they are able to gauge the guy in 4-5 meetings they wont say yes in such cases.
So take it FWIW.

Ravi, your females are your strength and are not devoid of reason. Dont demonise them.
Agar har kisi ko koyla hi samjhoge to jo heera dhoondne ki koshish kar rahe ho woh tumhein dikhega bhi nahin.

I wrote all this not to belittle you or trivialise your experience, just that a young man should come across as so despondent.

I wish you luck in your search. God bless.Khush reh

I have not heard this language in last 40 years. It is a hoot.
Thanks for lightning the mood.
Welcome to the site, hope you stick around.
 
It seems my original decision to not post on a communties internal affairs was right

Ravi Bhai,

You find my post irrelevant. So be it. I genuinely meant good for you and as a guy I thought I should express what was coming across as despondency to me.

Also it seems some miscommunication has been there so find my clarifications nested in your reply.

Again this NOT to put you down.

Delhi6 Bhai,

It is your misconception that many following threads on the topic of "TB culture" and "indecent dressing of some women" are the outcome of despondency of "one particular member", that's me.

I said you were coming across as increasingly despondent or atleast thats how it appeared to me given the tone of your posts became sharper with every post here(or atleast thats how it appeared to me.)

I NEVER said its your despondency that is responsible for all the threads on similar issues. This is what I said:


" However due to despondency of one particular member (C. Ravi bhai thats you), a sudden flurry of threads on somewhat related topics and attendant demonisation of females especially TB's I have decided to post."

All it meant was that there was a sudden flurry of threads when I logged into forum after a sometime and It appeared to me that your tone is getting increasingly despondent. These things happened independently. No where does it imply that its your despondency that is the sole reason for all these threads. Hope I have cleared this thing. I don't want any bad blood.
To repeat its your response, which I felt what I felt, that brought forth my response. I never accused you of being the reason for all these threads.


It clearly shows your utter lack of understanding my stand or shows that you are just representing on behalf of select others.

Trust me I do not know any member here, so if I am representing anybody its moi only.

So pity!!

Thanks for the judgement.

Your above post is absolutely irrelevant in this thread.

Fair enough if you feel so.

Dunno what you want to establish by giving detailed history of your mixed up family?

Errrr. Maybe to establish a context as to where I am coming from.

We know that there are many mixed up generations existed and would continue to exist. It is the outcome of individuals choice. No one can do anything about it.

:confused:

Many members do have high regard and respect for ladies, including myself. You are not the one super hero here.

Never claimed to be one, please show me where did I make such an assertion. If it was that I hugely respect Career woman then the reason for that are very personal, It was in no way an attempt to belittle you and I said so in my posts as well.

You are ridiculously making an attempt to castigate male members who are posting in this thread topic, hinting at them as folks with no respect for ladies.

Please I didn't.

You are utterly confused probably like few others here.

:faint:Thanks a lot for Judgement.

Ironically you want me to read your irrelevant post! LOL!!!

It was an attempt in good faith by me, however if you feel its irrelevant then so be it.


The topic here is to highlight "those" TB girls who want to stick to Tambram community and so are in the marriage market, expressing their unreasonable demands and expectations from TB guys. The whole debate is revolving around this.

If these girl want to get mixed up with other caste who gonna stop them??

Trust me whatever little I know about TB females, Nobody can.

If they so wish, why they still are in search of Jack Pot from the same community? Rather, why don't they search every where and get married before they hit at least 30 years of age?? Why they still continue to remain single at their age of 30-35+ and are interviewing TB guys on phones and chat along with their parents? Why are they wasting time restricting themselves to TB guys and losing the charm of their life?

Ask these questions to them in person without flinching. They may give a reply.

As long as Tb girls at 30-35 years of age continue to appear in TB marriage market and express that they are looking for Brahmin guys, such questions as indicated above would continue to exist.

Which is fair enough

Try to understand the gist of the thread topic and the posts that are appearing here.

Pretty presumptuous if you think I didn't get the gist of the post. Isn't it possible that I indeed got the gist and then deliberately addressed a post to you in good faith. In my naive belief that I could be of some help.

This is not a rocket science to find it hard to understand.

Of course it is not. As a trained one I should know ( even if I sleepwalked my way through engineering:biggrin1:)

Despite of my so many post on the basis of above questions to these girls, still many long standing members are unable to grasp the import. I can understand your situation.

Thanks for your understanding (am I allowed to say condescension as well.)

One more suggestion. You should go through all the post of a member to understand better about his/her stand before coming to such ridiculous conclusion.

As to former what makes you think I was not following this thread from the beginning, as for the latter: Did it appear to you I was very civil in my posts directed to you because I do remember posting that you are genuinely concerned and are mild mannered enough. It was the broad brush you chose to paint with AND my perception that your posts were gradually becoming edgy that prompted me to post. Now since you say my perception was erroneous, I will leave it at that


Introspect on the above to understand what myself and like minded male and female members here are expressing.

Thanks for the advice( and condescension. Again my perception.)

Peace.
 
Ravi see my reply nested below and should you chose to respond read the full post once.

Oye Delhi6 paape,

Who said that TB girls of today are expecting a husband straight out of Samsung's evolutionary husband and or something like that?

errr, that was an attempt at levity. For a good laugh see this advertisement

Evolutionary Husband? - YouTube


When I read your previous post, I though your are utterly confused. But, after reading this post of yours, its clear to me that you don't know what your are reading, what your are understanding and what you are talking.

Yupp. Your perception which you are perfectly entitled to as I am to mine.

So sad!!

Indeed it is when two people seem to be talking past each other.

​Regarding your statement in Hindi Transliteration - How you are concluding that I am taking the whole social responsibility on my shoulder and making my life harder?

Again that is what came across and thus my perception which you have very convincingly made clear was due to a thoroughly confused mind.

Oh My God!! Where from are you? If you are a Punjabi, I suggest you to stick to your Punjabi community forums and express your concerns on Punjabi society and Punjabi Posters. I am advising you because you consider me as your Bhai (brother) and so I do. Kindly consider it in positive spirit and take care of yourself. If your break your head in this TB society forum you will be literally wasting your time and energy. No use.

Trust me I am already regretting posting on this particular thread. I initially had decided not to, fearing marriage in a community is a sensitive topic. I guess I was right and I should have not attempted a guy to guy talk in good faith, naively believing that its universal.


Common dost, try to understand. It is not a rocket science. Better late than never, keep trying to understand better, you will achieve for sure, one fine day.

What ever TB culture we are adopting now are off course a different version of our ancestors who lived with utmost orthodoxy. Now its in a different form and certainly staunch orthodoxy almost doesn't exist.

What ever exists now as TB culture still carries its significance with its uniqueness and specialties. Myself and like minded members are cherishing this TB culture of what we have without losing the fundamental aspects of TB culture, traditions, eating habits, spirituality etc..etc, having adopted the changes given the changing and demanding scenario. We continue to value our culture and find questioning our stand on our culture, utterly ridiculous.

It is obvious that, TB's who have mixed with other caste, hates TB customs/traditions, started eating Non-Veg, having boyfriend/girlfriend sexual friendship, live in relationship would rise fingers on other TB's who value the prevailing TB culture retaining the fundamental aspects. In such a case I can understand your position.

I am not a TB not even a Brahmin btw however I never raised a finger on you for trying to preserve your culture.Rather I did say its a legitimate aspiration. Didn't I?




I don't know what sort of disease or dysfunction you are talking about. Once you come up about that in detail, I shall respond to that, if I find it worth responding.

Bhestern influenza == Western influence. Again an irreverent Punju's attempt at levity.


Your's another ridiculous accusation on me, that, I consider - "3. Aaj kal ki kudiyaan bhery bhery bad."

How could you conclude that I consider all the girls of today are very very bad??

Again my perception that you were painting things with a broad brush. Now I realise it is a perception of a confused mind.:tongue1: , My bad and apologies.

What you want to establish by indicating the unexpected unpleasant events, twist and turns in a family life?

Errrr. care to elaborate where did I indicate any unexpected unpleasant event? rather I thought my example of my TamBrahm didi marrying jeeju even when he was earning way way less than her and still being with him should have come across as a pleasant surprise, especially when in my confusion I perceived that TB girls don't marry down so to speak.

Who is opposing a girl's choice to gauge the guy in 4-5 meetings before opting to marry one? Who said that it is a wrong practice? Who said that, all Men today, given the present scenario don't want to gauge the girl in 4-5 meetings before deciding to marry her?

Delhi6 bhai. You are utterly confused. I can say only this much.

Thanks for the Judgement even if its condescending.

Who said that our females are not our strength? People like me only believe that females are our strength and they would give meaning to our life by having them for our life.

How are you concluding that I am demonizing all the girls?

Hmmm. my confused mind saw a broad brush attempt at it. Now that my confusion is clear I stand corrected

How are you concluding (indicating your conclusion in Hindi Transliteration) that, I am considering all the girls as coals? And that I am losing the sight of diamond in my consideration of all girls as Coal?

Again my confused mind thought you were despondent and my mind was thus warped enough to conclude that you thought all TB girls b/w 30-35 are unreasonable.
Add to it I am an irreverent Punju and an unevolved delhi wallah at that.
So sadly maine saare gud ka gobar kar diya ( Translation: in my foolishness I turned jaggery into cowdung.)


LOL!!! You are terribly hilarious!

well my teachers have been complaining about it ever since I was 5 yr old. Now I am 34, so an old dog cant learn new tricks you see.

My dear younger brother/older brother, given this thread topic, it is other way round.


Gave my age above. Decide.

I know you can not understand what I am coming to say. But, still I am taking all these efforts as your well wisher.

Bhai, Pray how will a confused mind understand. Your admonition had made me see my erroneous ways. Still I am glad that despite my incoherence(born out of confusion) you could see I am your well wisher.


No No!! You have written all this with out knowing what I said in all my posts. You have written all these out of your utter misunderstanding of my posts. I can understand your position. So don't worry my brother, I will not mistake you.

Thanks bhai. thats what bros are for. Total unconditional acceptance onlee. :P.

You are a victim of some kind.

Maybe you are correct bhai. I just overheard our family doctor telling my chitti that my cognitive dissonance has been compounded by a new flu in town, bhestern influenza as its known. His prognosis was : It will leave me de-racinated and with a messiah complex which will cause an involuntary reflex to help out young men. :sad:

Thank you for your wishes. God bless you too. I will be more happy if you develop clarity in what you read and what your write.

Bhai, thanx haiga.

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Ravi, I have been slightly sarcasctic in this post. trust me thats a very punju(Punjabi) way of doing things and I mean no malice.

Again my genuine good wishes are with you. :)
 
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