Comparing intercaste marriages (TB vs Other Brahmins)

[sravna]

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It is necessary to show restraint when it comes to judging others. I agree that saying someone is superior based on physical features or even gunas is far from justified. I would go to the extent of saying Brahmin way of life alone is not the ideal way of life . You need to have a balance along with rajas and tamas. Otherwise you are not complete.

There is no denying brahmins are evolved spiritually. But to be called truly spiritual, physical aspects need to be incorporated. one needs courage, one needs to be hard working , persevering, etc .

It is futile to simply be putting down the brahmins while singing praise about brahminism. Genes do carry the effects though not perfectly. It definitely reeks of agenda. As they say ,you cannot explicitly disagree with what they write

 

[renuka]

I am learning Sanskrit to study vedas and upanishads because I don't think translations convey the msg accurately so I am trying to . I pursue education and attain good karmas and eat pure veg food my whole life. I feel that I am following my guna well.

How is it tamasic to prefer to marry someone who looks better ? As long as you don't make fun of someone or mistreat them for their facial features, it is fine to prefer to marry someone with better features and prefer that your ethnic group do the same.

When I talk about intelligence being lower in non Brahmins I am mainly talking about non Brahmin Indians. IQ studies have been conducted showing the average IQ of Brahmins to be 10+ points higher than non Brahmins. Brahmins have contributed more than other groups to literature, science, and art than other groups.

Its good that you are learning Sanskrit.
Kindly take into consideration too that sanskrit vocabulary has multiple shades of expressions hence at times we wont find even Sanskrit bhashyam of the same text alike. Keep studying it, its a beautiful language.
If you are newly learning it, my advise to you is to also focus on spoken vocabulary once you get a grip of basic grammar.
I notice most Sanskrit books seldom focus on daily usage spoken sentences and not much emphasis on high usage verbs.


Coming to IQ of non Brahmin indians being lower than Brahmins..that too 10+ plus points higher.
Its best we dont generalize, though family dynamics count..in the sense Brahmins are generally intellectually inclined as they were always a community that perserved the Vedas and family support for studies is higher...and these days even other communities are also intellectually inclined hence you see the gap narrowing.
Families from bussiness communities tend to have very sharp bussiness skills though I wouldnt want to generalize too much..environment shapes our genes too and genes do shape our environment.

Also just to add we humans use very little of our total cerebral capacity.
We tend to use the word intelligence only for academics and we tend to downplay other forms of intelligence by calling it talent.

For eg a person who is an artist par excellence is functioning using his artistic intelligence...the part of his brain for artistic intelligence is more active than others.
But we choose to call geniuses of arts and music as talented rather than intelligent.

Last but not least..at times its best we never underestimate anyone till proven otherwise.

 

[a-TB]

Let me share a few thoughts. A decade or more ago I did not know what I did not know. Meaning I was unaware of ignorance of book of life. Thanks to interactions with select few here I found interest to know more about what life is. It is a journey.

Now I am aware of my ignorance. Mahatmas originate from all societies. Their message, though varied in form ends up being the same

A folklore wisdom is expressed as ‘ marriages are made in heaven ‘. That saying is not to assert the existence of a place called heaven. It only means that you and I have little control over who we end up marrying or not marrying. But the message is also not about destiny and predetermination. It is not about free will. It simply means with human intellect the future is unknown and unknowable. You can even say there is no such thing as future. Somehow even scientists are saying these days that time is an illusion. I saw a book with that title by a physicist.

So none of us can do anything about who marries who. The caste and Jaathi though practiced have no mention in Gita and Upanishad. There is poem called Manisha Panchakam attributed to Adi Sankara. Based on that there is a believable story. Sankara asks a man to step aside and the conversation shows that the low caste fellow is educated and teaches Sankara not to be body and mind identified. Sankara realizes his mistake and immediately takes this chandala as his teacher.

So caste and Jaathi is a curse on Hinduism.

The best any of us can do is to learn the true meaning of what a Brahmin stands for and try to live that life. This is not Brahminism which is a political term invented to pull down Brahmin caste and thereby pull down Hinduism

No one can stop how this universe and civilization will evolve. Some of my comment can be critiqued as harsh but intent is not to be unkind but help by making a point forcefully. You may disagree with the approach and I understand.

Let us heed the clarion call of Swami Vivekananda and stop being racists and casteists. Let there be no pride in being born in a Brahmin caste or in a non Brahmin caste.

This does not mean being docile and be a punching bag. Speak against discrimination by anyone against any caste groupings including Brahmins.

Many Brahmins try to live a Satvic lifestyle. Let us speak against discrimination against anyone practicing Satvic lifestyle. But let us not waste our energy being concerned about inter caste marriages.

Because you cannot do a damn thing about it.

Unless something significant is said I will close my enagagement in this thread

 

[thebigthinkg]

The question for brahmin community is to identify what is brahminism, in the modern era? what do they want to save and transfer to next generations ? how are they any different from others, apart from just remaining a separate genetic pool. This is the debate needed within the community, by those who are seriously interested in the preservation of whatever they think as brahminism.

Brahmins are conservative and liberal in conduct and outlook, creating 4 types of brahmins all over India. Those that are conservative in conduct and outlook, liberal in conduct and outlook, conservative in conduct and liberal in outlook, liberal in conduct and conservation in outlook.

Conservative in conduct means those who perform more nitya karma anushtanas, atleast in old age get interested in samskrt, veda rakshanam, they are more teetotallers and vegetarians. Liberal in conduct do not follow or follow extremely abridged versions of nitya karma anushtanas, have no qualms in drinking or eating meat or have no knowledge of samskrt or vedas, for which they claim to be guardians.

Conservative in outlook are those that value or practise caste systems, either part of a hereditary orthodox lineage or neo-converts who learnt from social media like whatsapp. They more often fall victim to pseudo-science, conspiracy theories, us vs them, victim-hood etc.. Liberal in outlook are those that don't practice caste systems rigorously, or more discerning of what they get in social media, believe less in conspiracy theories or victimhood.

Brahmin community is a mosaic of the above. It's the poonul chikkal of thoughts in their mind. There's good and bad in everything.

The fundamental question is to define what is brahminism or what we want to save and transfer to next generations, apart from the genetic pool, which is simply beyond our control.

 

[vgane]

LOL, this has nothing to do with dravidian stuff, our people migrate a lot for economic reasons, and we happen to educate women as well, which usually doesn't happen in most of India, so educated women obviously would prefer to decide her partner, and would prefer outsiders to escape the orthodoxy imposed on her, this is common in urban areas outside of TN, I'm worried more about the fact that Men are not marrying out as much as women are at least outside of TN.
If we want to stop this IC stuff, you have to stop women from being educated, and or restict education of women to the bare minimum and keep them restricted to their houses, which we obviously can't do,

If woman are educated so what? But they need to have strong Dharmic roots! The family has to imbibe the Niya Karmas and follow the tenets of Sanatan Dharma!

 

[vgane]

Atlast the Kanchi Sankaracharya has spoken on this indirectly

 

[RamyaRaji]

I find everything very weird..that is everyone wants to decide what women should do..a suggestion to restrict education of women seems totally illegal in the present day scenario.

Actually what would really help is to create extra uterine conception..that is hopefully very soon science would be able to develop an external uterus so men can programme it the way they want it to be for continuation of species...for the ova, may be they can use donor ova from a different loka.
There might be same caste individuals in some parallel universe.

Or may be we should read the puranas again to find out which technology was used to develop the 100 kauravas outside the uterus of Gandhari and how did Dronacharya managed to be conceived in a pot...it was possible in the past..so this technology should be developed.

We are still lagging behind..kindly dont restrict the education of anyone of any gender or any background or caste as anyone of them could develop what i just wrote in the future.

I second this especially when it comes to education. In my case when I was married too young differences arouse because of education /pay and also he being an athiest and I was not! (which should be immaterial in an ideal partnership ).after trying to get it work for 9 long years I gave it up for peace. Both of us Tbs, however he married non working , from a different caste prior to divorce. Getting a right partner has nothing to do with caste/religion, however having a clear idea and right choice of women one wants to spend rest of the life, could possibly saved my life for better. Now when he has a family and settled; my daughter is scared for life towards marriage, and hates him to the core. Am now more worried about she getting good education first and then a good companion in future rather than matching with a tb! No one has the right to decide what a women wants to do or restrict education /job, as long as the values are passed on to the generations rightfully.

 

[renuka]

I second this especially when it comes to education. In my case when I was married too young differences arouse because of education /pay and also he being an athiest and I was not! (which should be immaterial in an ideal partnership ).after trying to get it work for 9 long years I gave it up for peace. Both of us Tbs, however he married non working , from a different caste prior to divorce. Getting a right partner has nothing to do with caste/religion, however having a clear idea and right choice of women one wants to spend rest of the life, could possibly saved my life for better. Now when he has a family and settled; my daughter is scared for life towards marriage, and hates him to the core. Am now more worried about she getting good education first and then a good companion in future rather than matching with a tb! No one has the right to decide what a women wants to do or restrict education /job, as long as the values are passed on to the generations rightfully.

Dear Ramya,
Thank you for sharing your story.
You are right, education is important for everyone and especially for girls.
And no one should decide how a woman runs her life.

 

[prasad1]

The days of ladies being dependent housewives, solely to produce sons are gone. Every girl should be independent, educated, and self-confident and choose to marry whoever they love. The mate she chooses should support her and be equal to her.

The Jeannie of "I Dream of Jeannie" is gone, the dreamers like someone here have missed the boat.

I Dream of Jeannie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[a-TB]

I second this especially when it comes to education. In my case when I was married too young differences arouse because of education /pay and also he being an athiest and I was not! (which should be immaterial in an ideal partnership ).after trying to get it work for 9 long years I gave it up for peace. Both of us Tbs, however he married non working , from a different caste prior to divorce. Getting a right partner has nothing to do with caste/religion, however having a clear idea and right choice of women one wants to spend rest of the life, could possibly saved my life for better. Now when he has a family and settled; my daughter is scared for life towards marriage, and hates him to the core. Am now more worried about she getting good education first and then a good companion in future rather than matching with a tb! No one has the right to decide what a women wants to do or restrict education /job, as long as the values are passed on to the generations rightfully.

The plight of so called TB based solely on caste has to do with ignorance that has enveloped the term of what it means to be a Brahmin. If it was believed as based on birth only it will become extinct because of some belief of unearned superiority.

Women many thousand years ago were educated. We only know of a few examples like Mahatmas like Gargi , Maithreyi etc. I am told Atma is grammatically make gender word but wisdom can have no gender.

Sita in Valmiki Ramayana had upanayanam and used to do Sandhyavandanam.

The society has gone backwards over time. If Brahmin group are to be a small group leading the right way, they themselves cannot become ignoramus beings.

while we don’t need to have elaborate rituals Gayatri upasana with full meaning should be made available to all people and all gender. That kind of direction advanced by Brahmin group will earn them regard.

True Brahmins are not just birth based only. In recent history true Brahmins have been leading lights in coming out of ignorance. Though formally uneducated Swami Vivekananda was guided by his teacher who was a Brahmin in conduct ( and was born in that caste). The force behind Shivaji was a Brahmin. Many of the potent freedom fighters like Bharathiyar were Brahmins. Ramana Maharishi though relinquished all identities was born with Brahmin values. They all promoted education of all including women

The plight of Hinduism today is in its ignorance of the teachings. Hence it has lost some level of natural immunity. This can all be restored.

The best way to prevent extinction of Brahmins as a group is for everyone to fight ignorance and superstitions. There is no other means.

Mr Vganr posted a message by Kanchi Acharya. It is in the right spirit but it has to go much farther.

Marrying ignorant fools simply because they carry a caste title is disastrous for the community

 

[renuka]

The plight of so called TB based solely on caste has to do with ignorance that has enveloped the term of what it means to be a Brahmin. If it was believed as based on birth only it will become extinct because of some belief of unearned superiority.

Women many thousand years ago were educated. We only know of a few examples like Mahatmas like Gargi , Maithreyi etc. I am told Atma is grammatically make gender word but wisdom can have no gender.

Sita in Valmiki Ramayana had upanayanam and used to do Sandhyavandanam.

The society has gone backwards over time. If Brahmin group are to be a small group leading the right way, they themselves cannot become ignoramus beings.

while we don’t need to have elaborate rituals Gayatri upasana with full meaning should be made available to all people and all gender. That kind of direction advanced by Brahmin group will earn them regard.

True Brahmins are not just birth based only. In recent history true Brahmins have been leading lights in coming out of ignorance. Though formally uneducated Swami Vivekananda was guided by his teacher who was a Brahmin in conduct ( and was born in that caste). The force behind Shivaji was a Brahmin. Many of the potent freedom fighters like Bharathiyar were Brahmins. Ramana Maharishi though relinquished all identities was born with Brahmin values. They all promoted education of all including women

The plight of Hinduism today is in its ignorance of the teachings. Hence it has lost some level of natural immunity. This can all be restored.

The best way to prevent extinction of Brahmins as a group is for everyone to fight ignorance and superstitions. There is no other means.

Mr Vganr posted a message by Kanchi Acharya. It is in the right spirit but it has to go much farther.

Marrying ignorant fools simply because they carry a caste title is disastrous for the community

Just to add Ātman (आत्मन्) is a Neuter gender word in Sanskrit.