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God Exists

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When indian students are doing well in maths olympiad and later in gates/ other entrance examinations, it is difficult to attach much weight to this study. All the news reports are silent on the test details and how the schools were selected.

How does one relate to high cut 0ff marks for college admissions to this reported dismal performance. Where to get more details?


PISA is an assessment programme conducted amoung the youngsters aged 15, chosen from OECD countries. Thee are about 73 countries who took part in this assessment in 2011. India is one of the countries. Indian students ranked 72 in that assessment. Thee was an assessment in 2009 too. The result for India was no different.

We pride the academic prowess of Indian students. But this their performance. Kindly read this ..... Indian students rank 2nd last in global test - The Times of India

Forget about the debate about God for the time-being. How about discussing the ways and means to improve the academic skills of our students? ( Students were chosen from Tamil Nadu and Himachal Pradesh).

Cheers?
 
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Greetings.

Personally I do not like to repeat myself often. At one stage I participated in this thread, said what I had to say. It seems, a drama had taken place in this thread, again. This forum has seen many dramas.

I am quite surprised to see the length of this thread. This thread has discussed without any conclusion about a subject that is not really worth discussing about.

Faith in God or the lack of it is purely personal matter. Besides, it is not even a permanent feature. By their own admission, some of the persons who debated against the existence of God were staunch believers at one time. They may change their opinion yet again; in the same way, some of the debators who debated to establish 'God Exists' could cahnge their views at 180 degrees at a later stage.

Here is a subject to discuss, debate, fight even worth dying for.............

PISA is an assessment programme conducted amoung the youngsters aged 15, chosen from OECD countries. Thee are about 73 countries who took part in this assessment in 2011. India is one of the countries. Indian students ranked 72 in that assessment. Thee was an assessment in 2009 too. The result for India was no different.

We pride the academic prowess of Indian students. But this their performance. Kindly read this ..... Indian students rank 2nd last in global test - The Times of India

Forget about the debate about God for the time-being. How about discussing the ways and means to improve the academic skills of our students? ( Students were chosen from Tamil Nadu and Himachal Pradesh).

Cheers?

Mr. Raghy,
Why not create a separate thread for your post. It is an important topic and probably will get more attention on a separate thread.
 
Mr. Raghy,
Why not create a separate thread for your post. It is an important topic and probably will get more attention on a separate thread.

Dear Sri.Prasad,

I shall start a thread as suggested by you; or anyone could start a thread on this subject too. I am not ready to start a thread yet though. But it is an important subject involving majority of the youngsters.

Cheers!
 
When indian students are doing well in maths olympiad and later in gates/ other entrance examinations, it is difficult to attach much weight to this study. All the news reports are silent on the test details and how the schools were selected.

How does one relate to high cut 0ff marks for college admissions to this reported dismal performance. Where to get more details?

Dear Sri. Sarang,

With due respect, this is not about the well coached minority students who excel in entrance exams; this is about the vey vast majority of the students who complete their education, sometimes a science degree course without any application knowledge.

Cheers!
 

L-O-V-E-O-F- G-O-D
12+15+22+5+15+ 6+7+15+4 = 101%


Therefore, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that:

While
Hard Work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will
get you there, It's the
Love of God that will put you over the top!

By the same logic
NON BELIEF IN GOD would be

N+O+N+B+E+L+I+E+F+I+N+G+O+D
14+15+14+2+5+12+9+5+6+9+14+7+15+4 = 131

Is it not higher than 101?
 
UNSHAKABLE BELIEF IN GOD will take the score to a higher level. If the kalyana gunas of god are prefixed, believer's GOD will any day beat the non believer's score.

By the same logic
NON BELIEF IN GOD would be

N+O+N+B+E+L+I+E+F+I+N+G+O+D
14+15+14+2+5+12+9+5+6+9+14+7+15+4 = 131

Is it not higher than 101?
 
UNSHAKABLE BELIEF IN GOD will take the score to a higher level. If the kalyana gunas of god are prefixed, believer's GOD will any day beat the non believer's score.

What about UNSHAKABLE NON BELIEF IN GOD?
Of course there are 33 crores of devatas and each has a multiplicity of sahasranamams, trisatis and ashtottarams. So if all these namas are prefixed the
value would be a google googleplex.
 
Hey guys check this out..

AUM

A+U+M=1+21+13=35

35=3+5=8

AUM the Pranava is the first face of the Gayatri.

The Pranava Principle represents the 8 different forms of wealth (Astha Aishvarya)
 
Almost everything in the Universe is rather mathematically precise and each and every
number has its own energy, vibration and meaning in accordance with the principles of
Great Pythagoras. If we move a step further, our Vedic wisdom, reflects the following.
Our ancient ages have found from Vedas a close and sharp relationship between numbers/
numericals, planets, alphabets and names. According to them, it has a co-relation to
the effects of success or failure, joy or sorrow, luck or badluck, etc in human life.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur
 
By the same logic
NON BELIEF IN GOD would be

N+O+N+B+E+L+I+E+F+I+N+G+O+D
14+15+14+2+5+12+9+5+6+9+14+7+15+4 = 131
Is it not higher than 101?
yes you must believe god first to score 101 and declare yourself as non believer to score 131.. you must experience the believer theory first .
guruvayurappan
 
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yes you must believe god first to score 101 and declare yourself as non believer to score 131.. you must experience the believer theory first .
guruvayurappan

A very fine argument. Some more examples in support of your argument..
You have to be a smoker to become a non smoker, you have to be corrupt to become non corrpt, you have to be vegetarian to become non vegetarian ,because the prefix non yields a higher value as per the number theory .
 
Of course there are 33 crores of devatas and each has a multiplicity of sahasranamams, trisatis and ashtottarams.

I have been in search for the names of the so-called 33 crores of devatas. The believers quote the 33 crores of devatas with pride and the non-believers derisively. I would be glad to have the first list of just 330 devatas.
 
Yes; any ishta devata will get a higher score than no-god. That is why he/she is infinite.

What about UNSHAKABLE NON BELIEF IN GOD?
Of course there are 33 crores of devatas and each has a multiplicity of sahasranamams, trisatis and ashtottarams. So if all these namas are prefixed the
value would be a google googleplex.
 
The missing members are either choosing to stay away as a form of protest or maybe they have been ganged up and hounded out or just lost the interest to post. I don't know which. But good for you, God believers and theists if you think this is a victory.

I personally feel this forum is a drag and seems drearier since their departure. If not anything at least they did provide some infotainment and i mean this in the nicest possible way. I for one hope they do return so that this forum will be as lively as before.

Dear Amala, K and others:

As you all know for about three weeks I did not log on to this site. As an expression of PROTEST.

My two last posts would have given you the reasons... Alas, they were removed for some unknown reason(s) by the Moderator, I would imagine.

My feeling is there is some Structural Impediments in the name of Moderation to censor views if it goes against the sensitivities of the Moderator (I don't have any quarrel of any sort with dear Praveen, the owner).

If the Moderator gives a Rationale for his censorship, then it is fine with me. It must be openly discussed so that ALL members can follow the Rationale. In this regard, I like what dear Servall wrote before.

Also, I strongly believe that the SAME person participating in debates/arguments AND then suddenly wearing the Moderator Cap and censoring posts is very objectionable to me.

Yamaka has been fighting all his life for FAIRNESS and FREEDOM for ALL people.

He will not stand any sort of STRUCTURAL IMPEDIMENTS that violate this very basic core value.

This being the Primary Season in the US, I am fully involved in this process: I write very many blogposts on this matter in other Forums.


Best wishes to you ALL.

With warm regards.

Y

You may catch me at

Yamaka's World and Tamil NonBrahmins. You are all welcome there.
 
Dear Amala, K and others:

As you all know for about three weeks I did not log on to this site. As an expression of PROTEST.

My two last posts would have given you the reasons... Alas, they were removed for some unknown reason(s) by the Moderator, I would imagine.

My feeling is there is some Structural Impediments in the name of Moderation to censor views if it goes against the sensitivities of the Moderator (I don't have any quarrel of any sort with dear Praveen, the owner).

If the Moderator gives a Rationale for his censorship, then it is fine with me. It must be openly discussed so that ALL members can follow the Rationale. In this regard, I like what dear Servall wrote before.

Also, I strongly believe that the SAME person participating in debates/arguments AND then suddenly wearing the Moderator Cap and censoring posts is very objectionable to me.

Yamaka has been fighting all his life for FAIRNESS and FREEDOM for ALL people.

He will not stand any sort of STRUCTURAL IMPEDIMENTS that violate this very basic core value.

This being the Primary Season in the US, I am fully involved in this process: I write very many blogposts on this matter in other Forums.


Best wishes to you ALL.

With warm regards.

Y

You may catch me at

Yamaka's World and Tamil NonBrahmins. You are all welcome there.

Yams,

Man, you are a great man! I admire you.. nothing more could be said..
 
Dear Sri Yamaka,

Welcome back.

You may want to read a thread called 'Why' in this topic, and understand the Moderating rules and reflect on what transpired.

A Moderator expressing his views is a long tradition in this Forum, since it's inception. As I have said, if the Moderator is moderating based on his opinions, you can always explain that to the ultimate authority here, the owner. Please go back to your posts here and see who moderated, what and why.

The rationale was given. It is just that you do not accept that rationale!

Regards,
KRS
 
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Dear Amala, K and others:

As you all know for about three weeks I did not log on to this site. As an expression of PROTEST.

My two last posts would have given you the reasons... Alas, they were removed for some unknown reason(s) by the Moderator, I would imagine.

My feeling is there is some Structural Impediments in the name of Moderation to censor views if it goes against the sensitivities of the Moderator (I don't have any quarrel of any sort with dear Praveen, the owner).

If the Moderator gives a Rationale for his censorship, then it is fine with me. It must be openly discussed so that ALL members can follow the Rationale. In this regard, I like what dear Servall wrote before.

Also, I strongly believe that the SAME person participating in debates/arguments AND then suddenly wearing the Moderator Cap and censoring posts is very objectionable to me.

Yamaka has been fighting all his life for FAIRNESS and FREEDOM for ALL people.

He will not stand any sort of STRUCTURAL IMPEDIMENTS that violate this very basic core value.

This being the Primary Season in the US, I am fully involved in this process: I write very many blogposts on this matter in other Forums.


Best wishes to you ALL.

With warm regards.

Y

You may catch me at

Yamaka's World and Tamil NonBrahmins. You are all welcome there.

Y,

good to hear from you, even if this be your adieu.

what i have found, is that there are roughly 3 types of participants here (though there may be more).

first, are people of my ilk. mainly coming here for entertainment and banter. i do not taken the forum seriously, and so, any slap on my wrist from the moderator does not all that bother me. ok, there are 101 more topics, and 1001 more ways of expressing what i wish to do. to me the fun is the chance to express myself, that too in english which i learnt in school and whose love of it, i owe to mr perry my english teacher, the thrill that whatever i write here, is immediately transmitted to all corners of the earth, and the equal delight in getting responses from the far and wide. i come here mostly for fun.

that in the process, i have had a chance to learn a lot about our society from the learned ones like nacchinarkiniyan, sangom, someone whose name cannot be mentioned, and (ofcourse) nara. i have learned a lot about our faith and tradition from these, and also the fact, that not is all sacrosanct, which i had suspected all along, and now hearing a confirmation. it has also sharpened my social conscience, and also awareness, of the imperfect world we live, and if i could pass on this sensitivity, to just one other person, reading my posts, i would have considered the effort worth it. personally, though i am an ardent believer, the views of skeptics or unbeliever does not threaten me, but only reaffirms my faith. i do however get very uncomfortable with the violent sounding doctrinaires and their vision of india - they appear to forget that india is a nation of minorities of which tambram is one.

then the second kind of members here - the traditionalist, who probably are the majority. by and large, they confine themselves to queries, presentation of a religious nature, and exchange of information. there is however a group within this group, who feel that the forum, maybe because of its name, should brook no questions or criticisms of our heritage and scriptures. their approach has been to toe the doctrinaires of the mutts, and even if these would find cause to be unhappy with the way certain mutts are run, they would never deem of discussing it in public like here. why wash our community's dirty linen here? and these sub group has not been hesitant to express their displeasure at open minded discussions of a religious kind, and also sometimes, appear to tolerate views bordering on intolerance towards other faiths. so be it.

the third group are a small minority. these are the ones who have studied more than most of the members; their learning erudition evaluation and criticality has made them today, skeptics to unbelievers. what business do these have in a forum of tamil brahmins, which by its very moniker, is a particular caste friendly group? it is these, i think, who have left the forum. i do not have answers as to why, because, till recently, i felt, that the forum was large enough to accommodate the varying viewpoints, which made this a unique and perhaps only forum of its kind in the web. if we narrow down to discussing just prabanjams and sthothrams, we are no different from many a others, and honestly, i do not know, how we can present ourselves as something better.

for about a year or so, it did seem like that, we had no moderation per se. we got along fine, and that is a fact. there were fights, but not being privy to the pr msgs, i do not know if any one left the forum, due to intercine warfare, and as a result.

i expect to see a reiteration of the support for this moderation, from the very same folks of group 2 - monotonous, adding no value, and with a hidden 'good riddance' message, . if these folks, avoid that, and instead, give some thought, to what is obviously certain valid points, brought out by such disparage participants as suraju Y Nara or others, they could probably contribute something positive and worthwhile. otherwise, it is business as usual, though i am not sure, what 'usual' means.

my two cents...
 
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Dear Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

You said:
for about a year or so, it did seem like that, we had no moderation per se. we got along fine, and that is a fact. there were fights, but not being privy to the pr msgs, i do not know if any one left the forum, due to intercine warfare, and as a result.

Several folks have left during this time and in my opinion, for lack of Moderation as Sri Praveen could not spend much time.

You also surprise me by implying that diverse views are not allowed here anymore.

Sir, people has chosen to leave not because their views were not allowed, but because they chose not to listen to the Moderation. As you know, both myself and Sri Praveen were involved. I don't understand why you would say such things again, when you said you had no issues when I offered any discussion on this privately. This type of playing both sides is what creates the problem. On one hand you say you support the Moderation, on the other hand you say something else. Sorry, I think this is absolutely wrong. Seems to me you are not forthright.

You seem to make it like that if one supports the Moderation, it must be because they belong to some vile and boring group. This type of assessment is also wrong on your part.

Regards,
KRS
 
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Dear YamakaJi,
I hope you will reconsider your decision with regards to posting in this forum again. If not, all the very best to you Sir.
 
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To Be Human Is To Believe : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR
To Be Human Is To Believe

by MARCELO GLEISER
Humans are believing animals. Perhaps that's even a way of defining our species: we are the high-functioning primates from planet Earth who have achieved consciousness and, with it, the ability to believe.

Since belief is a wide-ranging term, I mean here belief in the existence of transcending powers, of something beyond the ordinary dimension of everyday life, beyond what we perceive with our senses. I wonder, in fact, if belief is a necessary consequence of self-awareness.
 
May be for one year bbs and bhs had a free run wishing, demanding, predicting death of brahmins and brahminism, and their institutions. When a few of the stones thrown are returned, they run for cover, under the pretext that their freedom to abuse is curtailed. As intelligent fighters they can rephrase their verbiage and continue their profession.

Why can't they highlight what is good and follow-worthy in their chosen marga instead of behaving like evrists. "mudiya vettu, poonal aru"

What they have conveniently forgotten or choose to ignore is that anti-brahmin sentiment has been in vogue always and brahmins have survived every attack. If jews, though surrounded by enemies vowed to destroy them, survive because of amerrican support, brahmins will survive because of divine support.

If this hurts the sensibilities of the vocal now-in, now-out bbs, so be it.
 
Whether God exists or not, certainly Ego exists.

Let us try to overcome our Ego and develop the tendency to take debates as debates on a topic, rather sensitively bothering who is winning the show and who is losing.

We should restrict our orguments to what the subject demands, as per our views rather expressing any sort of contempt about the debating member.

As a human we would for sure feel a sort of pleasure when some one/group of people share our views and aproves them. This should not lead us to have the sense of contempt against the members with different views (as long as the views are diplomatically expressed, being sensitive to the human sensitivity) and should not get into groupism.


If we could develop such tendencies and attitudes, we all here would have the best loving envirnoment, without the need for any member to quit (with the sense of displeasure), IMHO.



 
People, slowly, in the late 20th and in the present 21st Century have to come
believe that there is a presence of Divine, and that a Super Power, other than
human being, is responsible for creating the Universe and further they tend to
believe these days that this Super Power exists in all things. The mental essence,
what we call it as ego, at times tilts our belief. A minute of concentration on the
origin of trees, wind, plants, water, thunder, lightening, stars, sun, moon, etc.
will drive away the ego from one's mind. As we say, in the present day terms,
there is no need for a Road Map. How, we worship is not the main criteria or there is
no hard and fast rule in this direction. What we need is only Bhakthi towards God, it
is much easier to follow for everyone. There are various forms of devotion and sanskara,
which are in practice in our religion. We have to only sincerely do Abhyasa, Seva,
Bhajan (if there is a Satsang) and Puja towards the Ishta Devatha. If one does this
regularly and chants Gods Nama, automatically he/she gets blessed, driving away
the ego one has.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur
we
 
that in the process, i have had a chance to learn a lot about our society from the learned ones like nacchinarkiniyan, sangom, someone whose name cannot be mentioned, and (ofcourse) nara. ...

since this has been posted in forum, what stops you from publishing that persons name? im curious.
im sure , moderation has not put any clause or ban on referring any particular person's name.

curious! awaiting your frank response here.
 
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