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Is the Community digging its own grave

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Ohh It is about EVR,he is grade A fraud,verbose idiot who confused the hell out of the emotional Tamil people and i salute him for giving early warning system for TBs to get out of the shithole called TN.

Social reformer,please.

All he did was empower the middle castes which already enjoyed a lot of economic power and he did nothing for education,Tamils still flock to temples and convert for petty change and miracles.


Dear Sir,

If I may ask..what is the difference between Manu and EVR?

Both sowed hatred I feel.

Manu sowed hatred towards Shudras and EVR sowed hatred towards Brahmins.

Please do not get me wrong..I am not fond of either EVR or Manu and neither do I hate both of them but both did not have respect for certain castes.

Manu did not respect Shudras and EVR did not respect Brahmins.

I hope this post of mine is not deleted.

I urge members not to take offence by this comparison but the keyword here is Hatred.
 
Except a few followers sporting a black shirt and ceremonial garlanding of his busts on specific days, evr is is a lost and forgotten man. Despite efforts to delete controversial and abusive passages from the collected works of evr, his image as a perverse and opportunistic remains and is understood by the modern generation. His disciples are clever and know what is good for them. Only those sitting on dravida towers embrace him even though the contact is smelly and absurd. I wonder whether he ever dropped the caste surname naiakkar.

People like Muthuramalinga Thevar & MP Siva Gnanam have written a lot about his greysides and the Justice party and how the brits created it to fight the brahmins.

In the deep hinterland of TN,Periyar is an outsider.His only following is amongst the middle castes(Pillaimaar/Naicker/Chettiar) who cannot compete with the brahmins on intelligence,who cannot fight the Maravars/Nadars for political power and the easiest to defeat are the brahmins and they did so by isolating everyone else.
 
Dear Sir,

If I may ask..what is the difference between Manu and EVR?

Both sowed hatred I feel.

Manu sowed hatred towards Shudras and EVR sowed hatred towards Brahmins.

Please do not get me wrong..I am not fond of either EVR or Manu and neither do I hate both of them but both did not have respect for certain castes.

Manu did not respect Shudras and EVR did not respect Brahmins.

I hope this post of mine is not deleted.

I urge members not to take offence by this comparison but the keyword here is Hatred.

No Manu did not,

Shudra means someone incapable of intellectual ability and only physical labour,let us say it is a condescending term.

If someone calls u that,u shud be upset not the other way around.

Manu simple says political power should rest with those with intellectual ability and integrity and responsibility,not those who abuse it.

EVR is not so clear on anything.

I am 27,please dont call me sir.
 
True. EVR's hate fire is totally extinguished; his videshi followers cannot even get a spark from the ashes despite better credentials - language, money and 'sohusu' lifestyle. Desi followers have seen light and are more likely to land up in jail and face a stinging reply from all communities including brahmins, if violent acts are attempted.

Any person who has any form of hate towards anything will have followers who also harbor hate. I have heard though I am no expert that such feelings tend to arise in people who have had issues with their father in their childhood.

Object of hate usually is immaterial in such people - that is why most such people tend to be explicit or latent racists, casteists, sexists etc and can easily switch from one object of hate to another even while coming across as the most liberal minded.

The best response is no response actually

"சூரியனைப் பாத்துநாய்கள் ” குலைப்பதால் சூரியனுக்கு எதுவும் ஆகிவிடப் போவதில்லை"

I hope this thread does not offer further opportunity to glorify anyone who has messages of hate of any kind.
 
True. EVR's hate fire is totally extinguished; his videshi followers cannot even get a spark from the ashes despite better credentials - language, money and 'sohusu' lifestyle. Desi followers have seen light and are more likely to land up in jail and face a stinging reply from all communities including brahmins, if violent acts are attempted.

Desi followers are speculating conversion to Islam as the cash out period is long gone after Mu ka and MGR did kabzaa.
 
Maniammai was brought up as a daughter, then became a nurse and the 'sahacharini. Main reason for this marriage is - property, money and evr's fears that his dk disciples will appropriate everything. This marriage was not approved by all his associates and rajaji.

I believe, all, sociologists, doctors, and psychologists recommend a closer age marriage for the good of the couple and the society. Of course exceptions do not disprove the norm.

Dear Sir,

This alone I do not understand why everyone gets worked up about...envy I wonder???

Love and marriage is a personal matter so I do not see anything wrong in a 60 year old man marrying a young girl if she consents to it.

May be EVR knew the secret that Hugh Hefner knows!LOL
 
Dear Prasad Ji,

I am sure there is some goodness even the worst of men.

So by hating EVR we only reciprocate the hatred he supposedly sowed.

We have no idea what his last thoughts were.

I used to "hate" him too for what he did to Lord Rama's idol by garlanding it with shoes but later I felt that there is no use hating his actions cos my hatred for his actions only breeds hatred in me.

So I decided to stop hating his actions and tried to look at him as a person and try to look for some goodness in him too.

I understand your pov, and dung beetle finds goodness in the pile of dung. I do not want to do that, there is lot of goodness in lot of people, and much easier to find at that.
 
No,it is just a grading system not to insult.

well it is cold,hard logic the patronage of the state and responsibilities go hand in hand.

I get what you mean..why don't you Brahmins too fight for your rights?

May be one of you should start a social reform too.

Why no one wants to start one?
 
I get what you mean..why don't you Brahmins too fight for your rights?

May be one of you should start a social reform too.

Why no one wants to start one?

We already are,who said we are not?

We are sharper,smarter,stronger,focused than 40 years ago.

But social reform for what,social reform already exists.

People can see how a lazy tamasik lifestyle creates problems.

As of now,i see many many seats vacant in the army for officers.Brahmin kids should vie for that.

I would want my kids to join defence forces.
 
Maniammai was brought up as a daughter, then became a nurse and the 'sahacharini. Main reason for this marriage is - property, money and evr's fears that his dk disciples will appropriate everything. This marriage was not approved by all his associates and rajaji.

I believe, all, sociologists, doctors, and psychologists recommend a closer age marriage for the good of the couple and the society. Of course exceptions do not disprove the norm.

He didn't have to marry,he could have adopted her as a daughter and got her married to a suitable guy.

Excuses.
 
We already are,who said we are not?

We are sharper,smarter,stronger,focused than 40 years ago.

But social reform for what,social reform already exists.

People can see how a lazy tamasik lifestyle creates problems.

As of now,i see many many seats vacant in the army for officers.Brahmin kids should vie for that.

I would want my kids to join defence forces.

I am asking cos I might not be aware of the situation since I am not an Indian citizen to start with.

So kindly forgive my ignorance on political matters.
 
No problem Renuka,just saying.

I knw u r a Malaysian citizen but all those brahminical ethics that people brazenly ignored and back into being now,

Vegetarianism/Teetotallers/Abstinence/Patience/Lifestyle and so on....
 
Just a scratch, look what comes sprouting out ....

"சூரியனைப் பாத்துநாய்கள் ” குலைப்பதால் சூரியனுக்கு எதுவும் ஆகிவிடப் போவதில்லை"
Indeed :) :)
 
If there is one man who animates Brahmins like no other, it is EVR/தந்தை பெரியார். Yet, it is impossible to have an honest conversation about him with these Brahmins. The mere mention of his name is enough to rile up the pack to foam at the mouth with inane denunciations. Ironically, the comment by one the members of this pack that concerns barking dogs is apt for what they are themselves doing. When will it ever occur to these people that when a UN body heaps high praise on somebody, there must be something to it and deserves cool and rational examination? Well, when there is snow fall in Chennai I suppose.
 
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There are self-loathing brahmins who will brighten up the moment you mention the name of EVR. They will call him their தந்தை even. Poor orphans who have disowned their biological fathers. They also flaunt the dubious certificates given by the people outside India as very valuable and authentic. As if their judgment is a more informed one than that of the people here. Yeah, I have heard that in those days many Rao Bahadur or Diwan Bahadur titles were given to the pimps of westerners who ruled us. We will flaunt that too proudly and shamelessly. I wait for the summer in north america so that these self-loathers sweat out a little bit to find out the truth about our hero.
 
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If there is one man who animates Brahmins like no other, it is EVR/தந்தை பெரியார். Yet, it is impossible to have an honest conversation about him with these Brahmins. The mere mention of his name is enough to rile up the pack to foam at the mouth with inane denunciations. Ironically, the comment by one the members of this pack that concerns barking dogs is apt for what they are themselves doing. When will it ever occur to these people that when a UN body heaps high praise on somebody, there must be something to it and deserves cool and rational examination? Well, when there is snow fall in Chennai I suppose.

periyar's words were meant to hurt. and they still do after close to a 100 years.

that today's tambrams are no way close to the attitudes or have the socio power influence of 100 years ago is one reason that we cannot relate to why someone should have such vitriolic hatred towards us, and against whom, we have no weapons, what with all our supposed intellect and brains.

periyarism won the day dmk was elected, and over 40+ years, the face of the ruling clique and power has changed in tamil nadu. back to what it was traditionally, the brief 100 years when the brahmins held a shadow sway under the management of the british was but an aberration. we were never the ruling or the influential class, and today, we are no more in tamil nadu, even in numerical presence.

periyarism jolted the society. today a tambram family is closer to periyar's ideals of a modern family - small in size, educated and free thinking women, more rational than not and above all, a strong belief in education. other communities have followed, and today, if a cobbler or a latrine cleaner has hopes for his children for social mobility, it is thanks to the concept of reservations. that we all have to agree, for without that, we would elements of rajaji's kula kalvi still in place.

it is only when kamaraj came, that kula kalvi plan was dropped. today when i see the kula kalvi plan, i cannot understand how someone can be so insensitive as to the aspirations of the people, and their absurd but intense faith in improving the lot of their children. in that context, whether it be our grand fathers or rajaji or even periyar, these were all people of their times.

today even periyar is passe. the young generation do not even pay obeisance to his name, let alone to his policies. with the passing of MK, there is not even a politician worthy of name who is familar with periyar as a person. he has passed on to history, to be venerated, and forgotten. same as gandhi, nehru or kamaraj.

thoughtful people from those communities that receive aid through reservations, have come to question the way it is implemented today. the concept of creamy layer is challenged. but above all, it is the area of open quota that is the most surprsing in its outcome - most of those who secure the highest marks are not brahmins anymore. perhaps there is some truth, that given good food environment education family encouragement and schooling, it is not the genes but what is provided to the person, that is conducive to good marks and result

even more surprisingly, that bastion of tambram studentship, iit madras, one can count with fingers, the number of tambram b.tech students now adays. instead the mass hordes of them are from andhra, of all castes, products of the iit entrance machine factories initiated by chandrababu naidu and now run efficiently by his successors. again a proof, anyone with proper stuffing can enter any university.

none of my relatives managed to get into iits. all of them went through the numerous private engg colleges that dot the outskirts of chennai, and all of them are abroad barring one. and earning well enough too. none of these wanted an IT carrier in india, though the same in singapor or australia or uk or usa appear to be ok. our entire thought process and concept of where we would like to work, has changed. today it is global. in a way, this was started by the british 120 years ago, and then it was burma, ceylon or malaya. today it is farther away. none of this is due to periyar, though some would like to blame him for this diasporic situation too.

still, it is interesting to see the intense reaction here, comparing myself or nara to dogs, and the certain other folks to the sun or the moon. what arguements, rational or otherwise, can be presented against such intensity? :) addressing us as dogs cats or by any other epithets, does it not show an absence or willingness to produce cohesive arguements backed by facts?

except to look around us. many of us abroad, especially in usa or canada, have children, who have risen to heights, which even in present day india it is impossible. i think there are half a dozen indians in obama's circle of administration, including a distant nephew of mine. how many of us can imagine such an access to the upper echelons of new delhi?

.. and then think of the cobbler or the vettiyan or the latrine cleaner..who has been condemned to the same tasks since times immemmorial. that is when atleast some of us, can appreciate the cruelty of our caste system and its subsequent crimes of humanity. the quota system or denial of certain priviliges is but a small price, i think, in order to correct historic wrongs - wrongs that we ourselves did not perpetuate or maybe even sympathize, but thanks to history, we inherited.

atleast, i think so.
 
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What ever said & done. The fact that Brahmin & other caste marriage are more in common these days. This should be stopped to maintain our unique qualities. Me too being a father of a daughter share the concern & will strive enough to handle this in future.
 
Kunjuppu your #371:

still, it is interesting to see the intense reaction here, comparing myself or nara to dogs, and the certain other folks to the sun or the moon. what arguements, rational or otherwise, can be presented against such intensity? :) addressing us as [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]dogs cats[/COLOR] or by any other epithets, does it not show an absence or willingness to produce cohesive arguements backed by facts?

But why have you missed the intensity in the words that virtually threatened another member in this forum with physical harm by saying that people are brave only to come here and present their ideas against EVR in the anonimity of the forum? It is something like telling "let me know your name and whereabouts. I will thrash you". Why do you keep silent about this stinking state of mind which exhibits an immense capacity for violence and hatred? Come on friend be fair. I understand you hold EVR in great esteem. Thats okay. But to speak selectively about intensity here is something else. I do not want to add one more hypocrite to the crowd here.

and then think of the cobbler or the vettiyan or the latrine cleaner..who has been condemned to the same tasks since times immemmorial. that is when atleast some of us, can appreciate the cruelty of our caste system and its subsequent crimes of humanity.


And what about the janitor there in US/Canada. Please ask him what he thinks about the world. It will be revealing.
 
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...But why have you missed the intensity in the words that virtually threatened another member in this forum with physical harm by saying that people are brave only to come here and present their ideas against EVR in the anonimity of the forum? It is something like telling "let me know your name and whereabouts. I will thrash you".
A self confirmed hypocrite now confirms he has no clue when it comes to logic. Earlier it was "support for IC/IR = Opposition to SC/SR", now it is this, pointing out their "intellectual bravery" in making disparaging remarks about a man recognized as a great reformer by many within the confines of adoring jalras is the same as "let me know your name and whereabouts. I will thrash you". Then they proudly proclaim Brahmins are intelligent, honest, compassionate -- irony has packed up its bags and left these "intelligent" Brahmins.
 
So it seems that there are some who cackle around and perhaps would willingly mix poison in the common well should they happen to agree with the cause. Does the end justify the means?

The die hard dravidianists probably secretly pay for "pariharams" to tickle thier fortunes in the next elections while paying lip service to evr so that the venom of hatred is kept alive.

How dumber can the dumb get?
 
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