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Malaysia Airlines..TVK

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If it is a hijack we definitely should have heard from the hijackers by now. Why should they wait for 10 days or more to state their demands? If the plane crashed, from all indications available it should have been a deliberate crash. But even then the remnants are yet to be found.

The arc extends from the edge of the Antarctic to Kazakhstan. Unless they get a lead, where exactly will they look?
 
I dont have much technical details, but is it possible to keep flying in the same direction at 35000 feet even if you run out of fuel ? Some barrier has to be crossed for it, may be earth s stratosphere or something. Can anyone elaborate? This the same technique the spacecrafts use while returning to earth...
 
Where are all the psychics , the various Godmen who can predict the future ,the people who talk with spirits /angels /Gods etc etc . Why cant they offer their expertise in finding this plane ?
 
This will again turn into a believer vs non believer debate. When people believe Science and Technology has answers to everything, why do they seek godmen now?
 
This will again turn into a believer vs non believer debate. When people believe Science and Technology has answers to everything, why do they seek godmen now?

Well said. Who knows, when Science and technology gives up, the divine will probably come to the rescue
 
Well said. Who knows, when Science and technology gives up, the divine will probably come to the rescue


How would that be?? Unless someone gets some input from Divine..otherwise how can the plane be found?

I was also wondering there are enough people who claim this and that but why no one is even trying anything?
 
How would that be?? Unless someone gets some input from Divine..otherwise how can the plane be found?

I was also wondering there are enough people who claim this and that but why no one is even trying anything?

Oh Renukaji, we are doing something.
1. Speculating
2. Twiddling our thumbs
3. Sitting on our hands
4. Criticizing other
5. Pointing Fingers.
6. Praying.
 
How would that be?? Unless someone gets some input from Divine..otherwise how can the plane be found?

I was also wondering there are enough people who claim this and that but why no one is even trying anything?

Yes Renuka Ji , the input from the divine will be to someone but only when you begin to realize that there is something beyond Science and technology which I think people will do soon.
 
Help from above: Satellite signals can confirm a plane's identity

CNN) -- There's a reason why Malaysian officials are so confident it was Flight 370 that sent signals to a satellite many hours after the plane disappeared from radar March 8. That's because CNN has learned signals from commercial aircraft to Inmarsat satellites always include a code confirming the identity of the plane. An Inmarsat official, while declining to discuss specifics of Flight 370, tells CNN the satellite system is highly reliable, that each signal to an aircraft is met by a return signal and that those signals always contains a code verifying the identity of the aircraft.

It is "virtually impossible" to change an aircraft's identifying code or to confuse one aircraft with another, the Inmarsat official said.


Further, after a satellite link is established at the beginning of a plane's flight, it makes automatic, periodic checks until the end of the flight -- helping investigators determine the duration of the flight, if not its location.

That could explain why Malaysian authorities now say they have a "high degree of confidence" that Flight 370 continued flying well after it disappeared from civilian radar screens.


Government officials now believe the plane continued flying until at least 8:11 a.m. -- almost seven hours after disappearing from radar at 1:21 a.m.

Malaysian officials, citing "satellite information" but giving scant details, this weekend refocused the search for the missing Boeing 777, moving attention to massive arcs on both sides of the equator.

Malaysian authorities believe someone disabled several communications systems, perhaps to conceal the plane's location. One of those systems was a digital data system known as ACARS, which uses the satellite to relay messages to the ground.

But while it is possible for someone in the cockpit to turn off ACARS, the system's powered antenna remained on, receiving and responding to hourly checks from a ground station, via the satellite.

Inmarsat technicians continue to help, the company said.

"Our experts have been pulled into the investigation. We've had people in Kuala Lumpur," said Inmarsat subject expert David Coiley. "We are putting everything into this to assist the investigation as best we can, because it seems there's no other data set."


How Inmarsat works

Inmarsat, which is prohibited from discussing details of the Malaysia Flight 370 investigation, was able to provide CNN with a detailed explanation about how its system works.


The London-based satellite communications company owns and operates 10 satellites, all in geostationary orbit
some 22,200 miles above the equator.


Since a single satellite can see one-third of the Earth, multiple satellites are needed to provide seamless coverage and provide redundancy and reliability, the company said.


Among other services, Inmarsat provides satellite communications for the ACARS, the acronym for Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System. It's a digital datalink for short messages between an aircraft and an airline operations center, air traffic controllers and others.


ACARS can be used to send messages and data of all types, including text messages from pilots to dispatchers, or automatically generated data on the health of the plane.



When a plane is over land, ACARS messages typically are sent via VHF radio. But when a plane is in remote regions, or over water and out of range of VHF radio, the signal is seamlessly switched to satellite. "The pilot doesn't have to do anything," Coiley said.

At its most fundamental, the satellite is a simple relay, transferring signals from ground stations to the aircraft,and back again, not unlike a cell phone tower, Coiley said
Help from above: Satellite signals can confirm a plane's identity - CNN.com[514824118627691]&action_type_map=[%22og.recommends%22]&action_ref_map=[]
 
Have no idea when the plane will be found.

Our TV channels keep reminding everyone to pray for the plane to be found.
Every now and then messages appear to keep praying...its getting stressful watching TV.

The human mind can only handle stress up to a certain level and after that the mind goes blank and tries to cope on its own and would not want to be reminded of the situation again and again.

Sometimes non stop reminders to pray might just make people feel more anxious.

I feel right now the best is just wait and see..cos nothing else can be done.

After this incident its pretty obvious to the world that God DOES NOT actually Micro Manage our lives and most so called people with powers do not actually know anything.

So the best is just rely on our natural instincts cos that is what God provided us with.

God did not create us to be wired to Him 24/7 begging and asking.

He made us to be independent to function totally using our own mind and brain and to cope on our own.

So even though God does not Micro Manage our lives..He made us to manage our own lives.

Its pretty obvious even in Bhagavad Geeta that the Supreme Self DOES NOT micro manage.

anaditvan nirgunatvat
paramatmayam
avyayah
sarira-stho 'pi kaunteya
na karoti na lipyate

Having no beginning and possessing no Gunas..this Supreme Self is Imperishable,though dwelling in the body,O Kaunteya,it neither acts nor is it tainted.

So its looks as if prayer is just an anti anxiety pill for us after all.. and nothing more or nothing less.
 
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Dear Renuka,

Prayer is more than an anti anxiety pill. It is problem solving because a wish of a good soul is like the wish of God and there are so many good souls praying that all should be well. If what happened is so mysterious and beyond normal human comprehension, it is very likely that it is explicit divine work and so there is hope.
 
hi renu,

please update from ur country situation....


dear TBS Garu,

I really dont know much now..dare not see TV..dont want to read the newspapers too.

Day in and day out 24/7 the channels are showing about this missing plane and after a while seeing all these gets stressful cos even patients come here just to discuss this and people you meet on the road only want to discuss this..some are insensitive and make jokes about it too.

So for now I am tuning my mind off a little and just waiting for any good news.

If I have any news I will surely update Forum.
 
Dear Renuka,

Prayer is more than an anti anxiety pill. It is problem solving because a wish of a good soul is like the wish of God and there are so many good souls praying that all should be well. If what happened is so mysterious and beyond normal human comprehension, it is very likely that it is explicit divine work and so there is hope.


Dear Sravna,

When people get together to pray basically they are giving themselves strength to cope and nothing more.It just helps us live thru the situation thats all.

One of the passengers father out here gave the right answer..he said he has made up his mind to accept that his son could be alive or could be dead..and will accept whatever outcome.

Sravna..you said many good souls are also praying ..yes I agree with that but the final outcome it is not as if any miracle is going to happen..we just have to wait and search ever so helplessly.

Its a big blow for us humans..that despite technological advancement we still might not ever know anything..same goes for those who claim spiritual advancement..they too know nothing.

So finally science and religion can actually agree for once..that none of us know anything or everything!
 
dear TBS Garu,

I really dont know much now..dare not see TV..dont want to read the newspapers too.

Day in and day out 24/7 the channels are showing about this missing plane and after a while seeing all these gets stressful cos even patients come here just to discuss this and people you meet on the road only want to discuss this..some are insensitive and make jokes about it too.

So for now I am tuning my mind off a little and just waiting for any good news.

If I have any news I will surely update Forum.
hi
i can understand ur situation...thanks for ur input...
 
Dear Renuka,

Prayer is more than an anti anxiety pill. It is problem solving because a wish of a good soul is like the wish of God and there are so many good souls praying that all should be well.


Sir,

I remember the following:


Matthew 21:22 of Holy Bible says - “And all things, whatever you shall ask in prayer, believing, you shall receive”.


Belief is more important IMO.




Let us continue our prayers with all faith.
 
Dear Sravna,

When people get together to pray basically they are giving themselves strength to cope and nothing more.It just helps us live thru the situation thats all.

One of the passengers father out here gave the right answer..he said he has made up his mind to accept that his son could be alive or could be dead..and will accept whatever outcome.

Sravna..you said many good souls are also praying ..yes I agree with that but the final outcome it is not as if any miracle is going to happen..we just have to wait and search ever so helplessly.

Its a big blow for us humans..that despite technological advancement we still might not ever know anything..same goes for those who claim spiritual advancement..they too know nothing.

So finally science and religion can actually agree for once..that none of us know anything or everything!

Technological advancement by some humans can be negated by others. The fact that the search people figured out that this seem to be a deliberate act is itself an accomplishment in my view. Once a plane is not 'visible' then anything can happen to it. Technologies exist to do more fine tuned tracking but it costs money that the public may be unwilling to until a disaster happens.

The crooks with their human mind can often outwit most technologies .

There is no spirit and hence there is no spiritual advancement to speak of. There are only people who can offer guesses using any kind of information including their own imagined power.

Prayer can be helpful to calm the mind and hence useful.

Defining a God to be like another person may help some people so they have someone to turn to.

Let them.

There are others who do not think there is any God in action here . That is fine also per their definition of God.

Whatever the God model one may have (for the believers) , it is unsettling for some that the same God who created the good guys doing the search is also the one that created the bad guys who could have hijacked or same God that created the nature's force that took the lives of many (somewhat prematurely in our mind).

The most practical thing to do is to move on with our lives as if this did not happen until those assigned to resolve come back with some concrete information.

That may take few days or few years or it may be a mystery of this decade remaining unsolved until a movie is made to provide closure by the creativity of the story teller.

One thing we can do is to offer our empathy and support for those who are tormented by their loved ones missing for so long without closure.
 
Is it an Al Qaeda attack similar to 9/11 attack by Islamic terrorists who were planning to blow open the cockpit door with a concealed shoe bomb..Deadly!!

Malaysia Airline MH370: 9/11-style terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane - Telegraph

Last night in one of the English news channels, one US aviation expert made a veiled kind of statement about an Italian plane which was hit by a missile fired by french air force but was, for more than two decades or so, this truth was covered up and the crash considered as a natural crash due to other causes; he said only last year it was conclusively proved in the highest Italian court that it was a missile attack from France.

In the case of MH370 also, whatever that was told in that programme, it appeared to me like this—

1. The aircraft flew in "stealth mode", so to say, westwards for some time and air force radar picked up the 'blips'; communication with the plane was not possible.

2. The news put out is that the plane flew for the full fuel time but on what basis this statement is being made, has not been made clear enough.

3. There is a general impression that the M'sian authorities have not handled the issue properly and valuable initial time - in searching the "correct location" - was lost due to the "below par" and uncoordinated performance of the M'sian authorities in coming out with all available info. at once.

Putting two and two together from these, it looks as though the plane in the stealth mode, flying westwards in the straits of Malacca could have been mistaken by some airforce as an enemy plane and attacked. Now, the effort is to obfuscate this matter so that insurance payments will be done and embarassments like inter-country friction, etc., will be swept under the carpet.

 
Have no idea when the plane will be found.

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After this incident its pretty obvious to the world that God DOES NOT actually Micro Manage our lives and most so called people with powers do not actually know anything.

So the best is just rely on our natural instincts cos that is what God provided us with.

God did not create us to be wired to Him 24/7 begging and asking.

He made us to be independent to function totally using our own mind and brain and to cope on our own.

So even though God does not Micro Manage our lives..He made us to manage our own lives.

Its pretty obvious even in Bhagavad Geeta that the Supreme Self DOES NOT micro manage.



So its looks as if prayer is just an anti anxiety pill for us after all.. and nothing more or nothing less.

Dr Renu

While technologies exist for even better tracking and alerting it is not feasible cost wise for most commercial planes to use them. The plane Air Force 1 for President of USA is equipped with far superior implements than most commercial airliners.

In the end the technology is only as good as it is used by us. It is far harder to deal with a human mind that is intent on committing a crime. One cannot 'blame' technology in this case.

I understand your larger point about futility of invoking the name of a force called God for intervention in specific items we desire.


The concept of managing or even micro managing can exist only when there are more than one *independent* entity. Regardless of experience of free will we are not independent entities in the universe. So concept of management is inapplicable. The verse of Gita you quoted has far different meaning in a completely different context in my understanding and is also not applicable.


Your larger point about human being taking resposibility for our actions stands in my view even if the above items such as the verse or concept of micromanagement are inapplicable in support of the point.
 
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