Tambrahms to become extinct by 2035

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RRji
be more charitable like Sravna ji.he has given me benefit of doubt. Sravna ji is my conscience keeper .When I do any wrong ,he will drill into me periodically to go spiritual and save my soul. My soul can go to heaven and no other place thanks to him

Krishji,
You seem to following some abrahamic religion, with your talk about your soul going to heaven. I am not disparaging you or your convictions, but if you are a Hindu, then you need to brush up on Karmas and rebirth. The goal of the majority of Hindus is to merge this Jivatma with Paratma.

The realization that Aham Brahmasmi (ah-HUM brah-MAHS-mee) is a Sanskrit sutra whose English translation is "the core of my being is the ultimate reality, the root and ground of the universe, the source of all that exists."

So no need to go to heaven or hell.

 

[tks]

1. God is an object or a concept that is visualised and perceived by individuals in different ways depending on each one's proclivities to believe. Every human being do not consider that he/she needs the God. There are many for whom there is no God. This is a very old subject and a lot of discussion has been done in this forum in the past. If you read my post carefully I have right in the beginning made a provision for the non believers. Let them be in their domain. What I have written is for believers only. That too in the specific context of Sangom's question about brahmins diverting the high philosophical entity of God into an ordinary idol in temple to gain some kind of benefit for themselves. I would just say in reply to your question here, God if not needed for some one there is nothing to worry about it. In fact I was one such for some time. It is for the individual to decide whether he needs a God or not. Those who think that they need a God have sound reasons for that and that is all abstract thinking. Not a subject for a brief discussion here. It will be recycling the stuff.

2. I am a worm living in the Neem tree. I know only the neem and its juice. I gather that the five states of understanding the God entity has its origin in vedas-in upanishads to be precise. And I believe Saivism is as much a vedic religion as Vaishnavism.

3. About your question on the "Tat tvam asi" I will write separately about the vaishnavite view point.

Thank you.

Sri Vaagmi

Thanks

1. What I often found is that people have different notion about the term God. Based on that notion - justified by other knowledge/experience or not - - based on their life experience tend to 'believe' or 'not believe'. The self proclaimed called atheists and agnostics tend to negate their own meaning of the word God and many times if they were to describe what their meaning they attribute to God I can find more sane reasons to reject those notions .. So understanding what that word means to someone is most important before the question of belief comes up...

2. I wanted to know where the specific terms area referred in Upansishads - I fully understand the larger point you were making

3. Thanks

 

[tks]

Krishji,
You seem to following some abrahamic religion, with your talk about your soul going to heaven. I am not disparaging you or your convictions, but if you are a Hindu, then you need to brush up on Karmas and rebirth. The goal of the majority of Hindus is to merge this Jivatma with Paratma.

The realization that Aham Brahmasmi (ah-HUM brah-MAHS-mee) is a Sanskrit sutra whose English translation is "the core of my being is the ultimate reality, the root and ground of the universe, the source of all that exists."

So no need to go to heaven or hell.

Krishji

I tend to agree with Sri Prasad on his observations.

I am curious - how did you get exposed to a soul needing to be 'saved' .. That is a uniquely christian concept about someone needing to be saved from the original sin

 

[prasad1]

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[krish44]

Krishji

I tend to agree with Sri Prasad on his observations.

I am curious - how did you get exposed to a soul needing to be 'saved' .. That is a uniquely christian concept about someone needing to be saved from the original sin

TKS ji I was not aware soul being saved was a christian concept. you can educate me on what was the original sin in the first place. Am I a sinner also by any chance

 

[krish44]

Krishji,
You seem to following some abrahamic religion, with your talk about your soul going to heaven. I am not disparaging you or your convictions, but if you are a Hindu, then you need to brush up on Karmas and rebirth. The goal of the majority of Hindus is to merge this Jivatma with Paratma.

The realization that Aham Brahmasmi (ah-HUM brah-MAHS-mee) is a Sanskrit sutra whose English translation is "the core of my being is the ultimate reality, the root and ground of the universe, the source of all that exists."

So no need to go to heaven or hell.

prasad ji
I do remember someone drilled into me that atma merges paramatma when I was a kid. . karma theories and rebirth , I do not buy this concept.On death the body is turned into ash and that is it. anything else is our imagination. I do not know if this makes me into a bad Hindu

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Prasad Sir,
'Heaven' and 'Hell' are taught to us right from childhood. The first threat will start with 'sAmi kaNNaik kuththum'! :fear:

You might have seen in the movie 'Anniyan' how the punishments - supposed to be given in hell - are executed on the Earth!

And Ambi is a tambram!

 

[ashwin_ash]

prasad ji
I do remember someone drilled into me that atma merges paramatma when I was a kid. . karma theories and rebirth , I do not buy this concept.On death the body is turned into ash and that is it. anything else is our imagination. I do not know if this makes me into a bad Hindu

Krish was referring *only* to Sravna sir when he spoke about soul etc etc. Once people die, they are either turned into ashes, or end up as skeletons in some zoology lab. I don't understand where the soul enters the picture here.

Once you are cremated, you are but a heap of 'vibhoothi'. And once you are placed in a glass case as a skeleton, you are but a pile of bones.

If we subscribe to the concepts of 'soul' and 'heaven' and 'hell', all living beings including mosquitoes and bacterias will be roaming around as ghosts after they die.

 

[tks]

TKS ji I was not aware soul being saved was a christian concept. you can educate me on what was the original sin in the first place. Am I a sinner also by any chance

Now I am not sure why you asking what you are asking - these info is readily available in the Google age (Google for "original Sin") ..
My question is how did you learn about the notion of 'getting saved' - that usage is also uniquely Christian. It is unusual for Hindu to say this since it is an alien idea unless they are taught or they are raised Christian...

 

[krish44]

Now I am not sure why you asking what you are asking - these info is readily available in the Google age (Google for "original Sin") ..
My question is how did you learn about the notion of 'getting saved' - that usage is also uniquely Christian. It is unusual for Hindu to say this since it is an alien idea unless they are taught or they are raised Christian...

the only christian I came across as a child was my class teacher in tamil brahmin school who made me write ' do your duty that is best and leave it to thy lord the rest" in first page of all my notebooks. Sv teacher I had talked of my soul joining absolute soul. some old relatives warned me that I would be reborn as dog or cat if committed any mischief home reinforcing the rebirth concept. my saivite principal made me sing muruga charanam in school prayers. this is the some total of my religeous education.the concept of getting saved could be due to some english novel I had read sometime or other. sorry to disappoint you TKS ji

 

[tks]

the only christian I came across as a child was my class teacher in tamil brahmin school who made me write ' do your duty that is best and leave it to thy lord the rest" in first page of all my notebooks. Sv teacher I had talked of my soul joining absolute soul. some old relatives warned me that I would be reborn as dog or cat if committed any mischief home reinforcing the rebirth concept. my saivite principal made me sing muruga charanam in school prayers. this is the some total of my religeous education.the concept of getting saved could be due to some english novel I had read sometime or other. sorry to disappoint you TKS ji

I was simply curious since it is an unusual expression but believed by billions of human beings all over the world that want to be 'saved'...
That English novel must have left a mark in you .. thanks for sharing

 

[sarang]

Agree. A few additions;
Perform nitya and ordained karmas, prescribed rituals, support vedapatasalas, temple worship, institutions supporting vedantic traditions; in short be an example - some youngsters are sure to absorb and lead a life of conviction.

This sattvik way of life, which has an answer to several problems that TamBrahms are facing in their personal and professional life, is the starting point to be a TamBrahm. They will lead happier lives and others will copy them.
-TBT

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Agree. A few additions;
Perform nitya and ordained karmas, prescribed rituals, support vedapatasalas, temple worship, institutions supporting vedantic traditions; in short be an example - some youngsters are sure to absorb and lead a life of conviction.

Also please add and help:

Poor Shastrigals and Temple Priests, as far as possible. Since both the categories are under FC and the opportunities are shut, it is the bound duty of Iyers to help them.

 

[sarang]

I agree; I assumed the activities will automatically support the people needed to perform them.

Also please add and help:

Poor Shastrigals and Temple Priests, as far as possible. Since both the categories are under FC and the opportunities are shut, it is the bound duty of Iyers to help them.

 

[Vaagmi]

Sri Vaagmi

Thanks

1. What I often found is that people have different notion about the term God. Based on that notion - justified by other knowledge/experience or not - - based on their life experience tend to 'believe' or 'not believe'. The self proclaimed called atheists and agnostics tend to negate their own meaning of the word God and many times if they were to describe what their meaning they attribute to God I can find more sane reasons to reject those notions .. So understanding what that word means to someone is most important before the question of belief comes up...

2. I wanted to know where the specific terms area referred in Upansishads - I fully understand the larger point you were making

3. Thanks

1. The words and letters are just tools given by a language. There are several moments in life when words become absolutely inadequate to define/explain/convey or appreciate an idea. Most of the situations present this dilemma when you deal with the God idea. That is why it is a highly personal experience-yes experience which may or may not be possible to express with language-which has just to be experienced. An agnostic or an atheist may not be adequately expressing himself when he presents his idea of a "no god". We really do not know. So I personally feel that we can only find a small common denominator when we share our idea of a God with other similar souls while the larger numerator may be so large that the common denominator may be just a very minuscule one and can even be ignored. To take a real life example, my friend who faithfully goes to sabarimala every season, who takes a kavadi (complete with piercing his tongue) to the local murugan temple every thaipoosam baffles me. The kind of belief that he has is some thing which I am unable to understand. He has done his PhD in crystallography. However hard I try that kind of a fervor is beyond my experience and it can never come to me. But his understanding of God is not false just as mine is not false either. So at the end of the day I resign myself to the reality with the words of my teacher "yadha sakthi, yadha sampradhayam". This being a fourth quadrant activity, I enjoy whenever I come across someone here who understands my language (a larger common denominator!!) or a fierce atheist who questions every word of narration of my experience. I gain from both. So belief or no belief the pathways of thought processes are interesting and I enjoy understanding them and following them through the maze.

2. To make matters simple, I will give here the references where idol worship is indicated in scriptures. Reference to Vyuha and Antaryami swarupa is available in upanishads freely and I am sure you will be aware of it. Please refer to Sadvimsabrahmana of Sama veda Ch 10.-"atha yadasyayukthaani........nimilanthi" and here the worship of God as an idol is mentioned. Also please refer to pancharatra Agama where there is extensive reference to worship of God Vishnu in his 5 forms. And pancharatra Agama like many other agamas derive its authority and authenticity as a scriptural text from the fact that the sages like Sanatkumara, Bharatwaja, Atri, Kasyapa etc who are found to be the narrators and interlocutors are common to agamas as well as to vedas.

Thank you.

 

[sravna]

RRji
be more charitable like Sravna ji.he has given me benefit of doubt. Sravna ji is my conscience keeper .When I do any wrong ,he will drill into me periodically to go spiritual and save my soul. My soul can go to heaven and no other place thanks to him

Dear Shri Krish,

I will definitely wish that you go to heaven. But I don't drill anybody to go spiritual and in fact no body can. It is a personal inclination and effort. I was only giving my understanding of what a spiritual pursuit is. Nothing more.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri Krish,

I will definitely wish that you go to heaven. But I don't drill anybody to go spiritual and in fact no body can. It is a personal inclination and effort. I was only giving my understanding of what a spiritual pursuit is. Nothing more.

OMG Sravna!

Instead of wishing Krish ji long life to see a 100 autumns you asking him to go to heaven?LOL

Sravna..isnt heaven boring?

One has to be a goody two shoes there.

The party,booze and babes/dudes are always in hell!LOL

BTW the Devil is always so good looking compared to any angel!

 

[vgane]

[Vaagmi QUOTE. A reservation system which was brought in while drafting the constitution to help the really exploited people was one such noble idea. It has been completely sabotaged and wrecked from inside by the mobocracy which got it extended liberally to the exploiters too. And it is derisively referred to as “not withstanding the usual(?) grumblings about the reservation system” here by Sri Sangom. .[/QUOTE]

On reservations, happened to read the view of Congress senior leader Dwivedi..He wants reservations to be only based on financial status and he would like caste based reservations to end..A welcome change..But will Congreass High Command accept his views...Is this feasible in our country?

Dwivedi seeks end to caste-based reservation - The Hindu

 

[wrongan]

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ashwin_ash says --- I feel neither pride nor shame in belonging to the community. It just happens I belong, and nothing more. It is cent percent correct.No one nowadays follows the traditional practices.But they want to be identified as brahmins.They even wears poonnal. But preaches others that heaven will fall if their ward marries a non brahmin boy and when it happens in his house he is proud to compromise.Wonderful tribe.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

[Vaagmi QUOTE. A reservation system which was brought in while drafting the constitution to help the really exploited people was one such noble idea. It has been completely sabotaged and wrecked from inside by the mobocracy which got it extended liberally to the exploiters too. And it is derisively referred to as “not withstanding the usual(?) grumblings about the reservation system” here by Sri Sangom. .

On reservations, happened to read the view of Congress senior leader Dwivedi..He wants reservations to be only based on financial status and he would like caste based reservations to end..A welcome change..But will Congreass High Command accept his views...Is this feasible in our country?

Dwivedi seeks end to caste-based reservation - The Hindu[/QUOTE]


MGR actually wanted to do this. But he was not allowed.

 

[renuka]

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No one nowadays follows the traditional practices.But they want to be identified as brahmins. .

Dear Sir,

This not a recent phenomenon cos there exists a terminology to describe Non Practising Brahmins ...Brahma Bandhu.

Every human eventually adapts with time,place and person..after all didnt we Indians discard traditional wear for western shirt and pants?

Even we females only wear sarees for weddings or function..to work most of us are in western outfits.

 

[ashwin_ash]

Dear Sir,

This not a recent phenomenon cos there exists a terminology to describe Non Practising Brahmins ...Brahma Bandhu.

Every human eventually adapts with time,place and person..after all didnt we Indians discard traditional wear for western shirt and pants?

Even we females only wear sarees for weddings or function..to work most of us are in western outfits.

And in your case doctor Renuka Begum, the burqa since you are Islamic from an Islamic nation. I'm sure you and your family are rather adept with the jawi script and islamic scriptures..

 

[renuka]

And in your case doctor Renuka Begum, the burqa since you are Islamic from an Islamic nation. I'm sure you and your family are rather adept with the jawi script and islamic scriptures..

Dear Ash,

Wow! So true yaar...how did you know?? Of course I can read Jawi Script and know other religion scriptures.

Regards

Begum Renuka

 

[sravna]

OMG Sravna!

Instead of wishing Krish ji long life to see a 100 autumns you asking him to go to heaven?LOL

Sravna..isnt heaven boring?

One has to be a goody two shoes there.

The party,booze and babes/dudes are always in hell!LOL

BTW the Devil is always so good looking compared to any angel!

Dear Renuka,

Definitely I wish Krish Ji lives a long life here.

Renuka, heaven need not be boring. One can be good and still have fun. I have an idea. You can invite people from Hell and teach them how to be good. Making them give up booze and other addictions can be more enjoyable than the fun from party, booze and babes because in the process of enlightening you will be able to unearth the funny basis on which bad habits and addictions are formed and would see how earnestly the people from hell would stick on to that basis. It should be good fun making them give up. So you do good and still have fun.

Devils are good looking in a sexy way but angels can attract you in a more profound way. So don't be fooled.

 

[renuka]

. I have an idea. You can invite people from Hell and teach them how to be good.

So are you suggesting a get together of a different kind..I need a preacher..you coming?LOL