Brahmin Girls Marrying (Attracted towards) NB Boys

[Visalakshi Ramani]

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Dear Mr.Raghy,

I am happy to read to your mail. I thought you were still cross with me! When we try to be witty, at times we end up hurting someone's feelings- unintentionally though!

The girl in the poem is born in a home, where her parents-who know the Manu Shastra- do not praise her. That is what is denoted by the words "uyarkulam" or "born to well educated parents".

So she falls flat to the praise from a stranger-The Naran. I never mentioned that the Naran was of a "low' or "inferior" birth.

Thank you for the Muthaliyar quotation from Avvai Shanmugi! Surely I will try to live up to your expectations!

I hope You will find time to go through my new threads "A poem a day" and "Points to Ponder!' and give your valuable feedback.

with warm regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[kunjuppu]

visa,

i am not so sure, that any of us can convince anyone else to change their views. changing views comes out of a propagandic influence (guru, books) or re-evaluations by one's self.

but the benefit of these discussions, comes forth in the logic and rhetoric that gushes from the likes of yourself, nara, sangom, pann and ever so many. the views are conflicting, but hopefully, with each other, there is a pinging of the other view.

all i hope it does, is to develop empathy.

if we are consider in terms of rights and wrongs, we will have to look at every social action against the absolute - liberty, equality and fraternity. it is but a sad fact, that sanatana dharma is the only dharma, that distinctly stratifies the society as it was milleniums ago, and condemns a good portion of our brethren to less than subsistence dignity.

somewhere in the theetu thread, giri invoked time and his god to prove him right. i respect him for that, because to me there is no 'right' in his viewpoint, when weighed against the egalitarian concepts that we take for granted. had it not been so, the makers of the indian constitution, would have given the brahmin 5 votes or so, for every male brahmin, 4 for the female brahmin, and perhaps -5 for the dalit?

to extend the interconnectivity of attitudes and how it reflects on the society - the TB society by and large have shunned these practices. i think, most of our unmarriable bachelors are of the cadre of who expect strict adherence to theetu or 'aware that the woman they marry knows her place' in the house.

i have one female relative, now pushing late 30s. in her early 20s, she, who has been to the best secular schools, and comes of a upper middle class very highly educated and highly positioned parents (both mother, father had great careers), did courses in philosophy at the masters level at univ of madras. she ended up falling in love with her lecturer.

at first it was all novelty - his mini kudumi, panchakaccham on special occassions, regular chanting of gayatri at the prescribed hours etc etc. so much, that inspite of the warnings of the parents, she married him. ofcourse it was brahmins, but of a kind, strange to the easy going folks that her parents were.

the girl's own parents in law would not eat during the wedding lunch ( they suspected the food was 'contaminated' by cooks of unknown castes). after the muhurtham they left for home. she moved into a joint family, 3 unmarried girls, a tyrant of a father in law, docile son, all sharing a two room house in chennai suburbs.

she had to quit her well paying lecturer job in the city after a few months, as she spent 4 hours commuting, and her husband would not permit her to bring the car that she had when she lived in her parents' house.

the womenfolk went to bed together inside the house, while father & son slept outside in the verandah.

interrupted... more later..

.. to finish the post...

no one from our side including her mother has dared question their sleeping arrangements in the house.

the girl has indicated that she is much constrained both at home (ever presence of mil and s spinster sil, who are not allowed to work outside). the girl herself now has to stay at home, and take a few tuitions.

well, she is unhappy, but does not feel right to leave or divorce. this is indeed an intense source of sadness for the ageing parents.

for me personally, i am curious, as to what the in laws will say & do, with the huge inheritance she is due on the passing of her parents... HMMMMM

so folks, do not think that marriage outside caste and religion alone can be constraining and unhappy. ultra orthodox brahmins are probably in the same category.

 

[Nara]

I had carefully used the word "intellectual giant" but I did not have the faintest notion that it will be interpreted by you as an "old bandicoot!"

It was just an attempt at a little self deprecation, I never suspected your sincerity.

..I admire the true and sworn members of your M.A.S (Mutual Admiration Society)! Touch wood!

???

Really? You think I have one those, "your M.A.S"? You haven't been around here long enough and that shows. If anything, I am the court contrarian, not many want to be seen with me, none wants to tread my path to where I have been, to the mountain top, there, I looked and looked and found nothing ....

to them,

I am just a fool on the hill, nobody ever hears me ...(h/t Paul)

Cheers!

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Mr. Nara,

You must be kidding! You are a veteran with close to 1500 posts to your credit in about 18 months' time!

Wow! That IS am impressive score!

You stand tall among the rest of us. So naturally we can only look up, admire you and get dazed!
Surely we can't mix freely with some one who is a Titan among us!

I have been around for almost 10 days now! I guess I have a lot to learn from this forum.
I am a willing student and hope I will benefit by joining this group!

with warmest regards,
Visalakshi Ramani

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Mr. Kunjuppu,

Thanks for the rest of your mail.

I am sorry to hear the case of the girl under discussion.

Since she is educated, modern and will inherit a large property, she must have some voice in the house-hold!

She can demand to know what was the purpose of getting their son married to her if the couple won't be allowed to have some personal space and privacy?

The parents of the girl can help the family of her in laws to settle down in a more spacious house.

What is the use of a huge property- if they are forced to watch their daughter wither away, right in front of their eyes?

The girl loves her husband and respects him because in spite of all the constraints and complaints she does not want to leave him!

She should use the same determination to untangle her shackles! We are living in the 21st century.

The husband may be an obedient son, but he should also be a good and loving husband to the girl-who is ready to put up with so much trouble for his sake!

May be some elders who have a voice in the both the families should talk to the boy's parents and sort out the issues.

I have heard of a similar case. In this family there were four sons and they were living in Delhi. One Daughter in-law returned to her mother's home. The others three were more stubborn and stayed on until the family could afford a bigger house and all their problems were solved.

There is a saying in tamil:
Kalaham piranthaal thaan Nyaayam kidaikkum!

To get justice, we are permitted to indulge even in riots! She can do it in Ghandhi's way. I sincerely wish that She must succeed in her "struggle for Independence" and live happily with her myopic(?!) husband!

with warm regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[Nara]

...You must be kidding! You are a veteran with close to 1500 posts to your credit in about 18 months' time!

Madam I do thank you for your kindness, but I am sure you will not confuse quantity with quality, a pig produces a large litter rather quickly, yet, kings prefer an elephant calf, produced in less quantity, one at a time, over a long period of gestation.

Cheers!

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Shree. Nara,
What if the quality matches the quantity of the product?
What if both the Qs (Quality and Quantity) are balanced?
with warm regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[Nara]

....What if the quality matches the quantity of the product?

Dear Smt. Vislakshi, I must confess, even the pig/elephant analogy I cited is not my own, Swami Sri Desikan is said to have used this analogy to make amends to have boldly accepted the challenge to write 1000 verses overnight. The result was the much acclaimed Padhuka Sahasram, 1008 verses solely in praise of Sri Rama Padhuka. After having fulfilled the challenge he is supposed to have meekly said even a pig can produce a large litter, but it takes an elephant to produce a product that exalted people prefer.

Now, I have another confession, I am not all that modest as I am claiming. I do get upset when people criticize what I write, and do get angry. I like to think what I write is is well thought out and possibly great. But I hope I keep it in perspective and realize others may not agree with my assessment of my own greatness. In this, I must say you are not helping, you are becoming a member of the M.A.S. you wrote about.

Dear sister, I bid a safe journey to you, once again, back home. Hope to hear much more from you ....

Cheers!

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Shree. Nara,

It is said 'what does not kill one, makes him stronger". The same thing with criticism- however devastating.
But one has to face it and learn from it.

I feel much more stronger now, than what I felt ten days ago. I am confident that I can handle difficult situations and defuse explosive interactions. My father used to appreciate my presence in our home as a "buffer" that can eliminate direct confrontations among the members of the family!

To each parent his/her child is THE BEST in the world. I am sure this is true of all writers and painters too! When the others think we are not as good as we think we are, we get disturbed.

So the best thing will be to do the job/work and not expect any appreciation!
You will hear from me regularly on new topics and poems in this forum.

with warm regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[kunjuppu]

visa,

the sad fact is that the father visited the girl's parents and advised them of the family faith and practices.

the girl's parents were dead set against the marriage.

remember, it was a love marriage of orthodox minds. but into a ultra orthodox, and somewhat perverted family ruled by a disciplinarian.

at this point, it is an untouchable subject to discuss with anyone. people just watch, shrug and move on.

time alone will tell. if i am alive, and still here, i will keep the update posted. till then, God Bless, those two, and (incidentally) yourself too.

have a bon voyaji (as bugs bunny would say) to the mother land

Dear Mr. Kunjuppu,

Thanks for the rest of your mail.

I am sorry to hear the case of the girl under discussion.

Since she is educated, modern and will inherit a large property, she must have some voice in the house-hold!

She can demand to know what was the purpose of getting their son married to her if the couple won't be allowed to have some personal space and privacy?

The parents of the girl can help the family of her in laws to settle down in a more spacious house.

What is the use of a huge property- if they are forced to watch their daughter wither away, right in front of their eyes?

The girl loves her husband and respects him because in spite of all the constraints and complaints she does not want to leave him!

She should use the same determination to untangle her shackles! We are living in the 21st century.

The husband may be an obedient son, but he should also be a good and loving husband to the girl-who is ready to put up with so much trouble for his sake!

May be some elders who have a voice in the both the families should talk to the boy's parents and sort out the issues.

I have heard of a similar case. In this family there were four sons and they were living in Delhi. One Daughter in-law returned to her mother's home. The others three were more stubborn and stayed on until the family could afford a bigger house and all their problems were solved.

There is a saying in tamil:
Kalaham piranthaal thaan Nyaayam kidaikkum!

To get justice, we are permitted to indulge even in riots! She can do it in Ghandhi's way. I sincerely wish that She must succeed in her "struggle for Independence" and live happily with her myopic(?!) husband!

with warm regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[Ganamukundhapriya]

Ganamukundhapriya refers to the hero of Mahabharatha who is fond of music and dance. Mukundhan is waiting for your post in other threads. But take your time to go through all the previous posting to come with your punch poems.

Dear Ms (?) Ganamukunthapriya,

Thank you for your pleasant mail! It has been a welcome change after the way I had been grilled in the past one week!

I will surely visit the other threads and contribute to the best of my ability(subjected to the free time available for me)

Do keep in touch!

with best wishes and regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Mr. Ganamukunthapriya,
I will surely try to add my poems to your thread. You must give me some time to settle down in my home (which has been left locked for six long months!) during my visit to USA.
Also I have to go through your thread and see the previous postings. I do not want to enter the "battle field" unarmed- as I did in the topic about Brahmin girls marrying non brahmin boys and face a " free for all" attack !
with warm regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Mr Kunjuppu,
I am back in India safe and sound, after a comfortable trip!
I strongly believe that there could be NO problem without a solution! Only We have to look for it and find it!
I have deep faith in Lord Hanuman-who united the Sita Devi and Lord Rama, who got seperated by the cruel hands of Fate.
Let the girl read Sankata Mochana Hanumaan Ashtakam and I am sure He will work wonders as Hanuman is The Living God.
In my own life miracles have taken place, after I started chanting Hanuman Chaalis on daily basis.
Faith can move mountains and work wonders.
Never give up Hope.
It is what makes life worth living-however faint it may be!
with warmest regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

 

[SuryaKasyapa]

....................In my own life miracles have taken place, after I started chanting Hanuman Chaalis on daily basis.
Faith can move mountains and work wonders.
Never give up Hope.
It is what makes life worth living-however faint it may be!
with warmest regards,
Visalakshi Ramani.

Smt Visalakshi Ramani,

I endorse your views from my own experience.

There were some very critical situations which I had encountered, and in all those situations which apparently were not showing any solutions,I used to continue my silent prayers( sometimes even scolding my icon in disgust and helplessness) I had felt the Miracle happening, God manifesting in my front with solutions or support , in the form of a relative,friend, or even a stranger.

All said and done, even the most staunch "denialist" will have his own blind faith. Faith is blind ,till the first occasion.subsequently it is based on the previous experience(s).

You are welcome to contribute to the forum discussions ( even unarmed). Have faith that when you are getting injured, there may be some among us ready with an ambulance and first aid.

Btw, I had a peep into your blog. Keep it up.


Greetings.

 

[prpsarathy]

Certain thoughts which came to my mind on reading of scriptures, which i feel has given over a period of time to accept things as it comes rather than have the thought that things have to happen as per what i feel as correct or wrong.

Rather than me putting words, i request member to read of their own the following part of the scriptures and delve on the same :

conversation of rama with jabali when he was asked to come back to the kingdom.
Story of chitraketu in bhagwatham, especially with regard to his attachment to his siblings
Story of jatabharatar in bhagwatham.

Continuous reading of the scriptures allows the mind to ruminate the same and make it part of you without one's own knowledge in the correct time.

 

[hoover]

these discussions are more and more becoming poetic ,romantic and philosophical. far away from ground realities and gravity of the problem.
as far as mentioned by someone i.e. brahmins must leave engineering to carpenters etc. brahmins were not only readers of religious scriptures, they were also thinktank of the state and policimakers on behalf of the king let engineering left to carpenters and policymaking national devlopment council etc. is given to brahmin. these kind of suggestions are illogical. what i am trying to say repeatedly is that we are systymatically deprived of opportunities. and in such miserable conditions (not applied to that minoriy who are earning well) our girls are also snatched frome us. we are naive. brahmin girls as brides is just a bonus of caste based reservations policy to nb. what is point in accepting marriages of our educated girls for whom we spend money of our sweat and blood for education to those who have grabbed positions with reservations and numbers (populations). another is brahmin are more human, spiritual, law abiding, peacful. any one who is not in agreement with this comment should varify the crime statistics and he will know truth in the comment.
go to any other forum discussion of any other caste. you will not find such sensible, emotional, balanced and impartial discussions. this is brahmin mind. another proof in support of the above mentioned comment.

 

[prpsarathy]

Who is a brahmin

these discussions are more and more becoming poetic ,romantic and philosophical. far away from ground realities and gravity of the problem.
as far as mentioned by someone i.e. brahmins must leave engineering to carpenters etc. brahmins were not only readers of religious scriptures, they were also thinktank of the state and policimakers on behalf of the king let engineering left to carpenters and policymaking national devlopment council etc. is given to brahmin. these kind of suggestions are illogical. what i am trying to say repeatedly is that we are systymatically deprived of opportunities. and in such miserable conditions (not applied to that minoriy who are earning well) our girls are also snatched frome us. we are naive. brahmin girls as brides is just a bonus of caste based reservations policy to nb. what is point in accepting marriages of our educated girls for whom we spend money of our sweat and blood for education to those who have grabbed positions with reservations and numbers (populations). another is brahmin are more human, spiritual, law abiding, peacful. any one who is not in agreement with this comment should varify the crime statistics and he will know truth in the comment.
go to any other forum discussion of any other caste. you will not find such sensible, emotional, balanced and impartial discussions. this is brahmin mind. another proof in support of the above mentioned comment.

What is practiced is different but the cardinal question comes up is who is a brahmin ? Is it by birth or by education or by character.

If it is by education and by birth, ravana must have been called a brahmin but he is referred as a demon.

Today brahmin has depricated themself to the level of shudra [ giving service and living for pleasure ]. If you read our scriptures, the duty of the brahmins were devotion. Even sex was used by them as a source of reproduction rather than for individual ego pleasure.

By no means today brahmins qualify to anything but by birth we are called brahmins and but practice either we are vyishiyas or shudras. So it does not matter on the inter caste marriage.

 

[sangom]

these discussions are more and more becoming poetic ,romantic and philosophical. far away from ground realities and gravity of the problem.
as far as mentioned by someone i.e. brahmins must leave engineering to carpenters etc. brahmins were not only readers of religious scriptures, they were also thinktank of the state and policimakers on behalf of the king let engineering left to carpenters and policymaking national devlopment council etc. is given to brahmin. these kind of suggestions are illogical. what i am trying to say repeatedly is that we are systymatically deprived of opportunities. and in such miserable conditions (not applied to that minoriy who are earning well) our girls are also snatched frome us. we are naive. brahmin girls as brides is just a bonus of caste based reservations policy to nb. what is point in accepting marriages of our educated girls for whom we spend money of our sweat and blood for education to those who have grabbed positions with reservations and numbers (populations). another is brahmin are more human, spiritual, law abiding, peacful. any one who is not in agreement with this comment should varify the crime statistics and he will know truth in the comment.
go to any other forum discussion of any other caste. you will not find such sensible, emotional, balanced and impartial discussions. this is brahmin mind. another proof in support of the above mentioned comment.

Shri Hoover,

I fully understand your sentiments but how can (should) TB parents of the ordinary, run-of- the-mill type, today prevent their daughter from loving a NB boy and in case she is bent upon it what steps they can take legally or ritually? I mean can they think of disowning her as dead by symbolically performing her funeral rites and not allowing any further contact with her (among Namboodiris of Kerala this was called படியடச்சு பிண்டம் வைய்க்குக)?

I can think of only one way out; let us all agree to perform the marriage of TB girls as soon as they reach 18 with a suitable boy of 21 or more irrespective of the stage of their studies, earnings, etc. If the girl/boy does not agree to her/his parents' choice, compel her/him to quit the home and do whatever she/he wants and forget about her/him. Will this be a workable, acceptable proposition? Is there any legal problem involved? Members may opine.

 

[senthil]

What is practiced is different but the cardinal question comes up is who is a brahmin ? Is it by birth or by education or by character.

If it is by education and by birth, ravana must have been called a brahmin but he is referred as a demon.

Today brahmin has depricated themself to the level of shudra [ giving service and living for pleasure ]. If you read our scriptures, the duty of the brahmins were devotion. Even sex was used by them as a source of reproduction rather than for individual ego pleasure.

By no means today brahmins qualify to anything but by birth we are called brahmins and but practice either we are vyishiyas or shudras. So it does not matter on the inter caste marriage.

Today, a brahmin is by identified by birth, and brahmana identified by the devotion and life style.

any way, whether its birth or devotion, we had evolved as a community for all these years.. everyone in the community is related to one another by some way. and there is a common thought process, common culture, common life style that is specific to this brahmin community..

As you said, when a brahmin family invests so much on their girl's education, this should benefit their community, and this should make them comfortable..

Just utililsing the parents money and them claiming individual rights is similar to looting somewhere and spending for ourselves..
This is totally against the very fundamental principal of hindu dharma.. oops.. anything hindu is fundamental .. so let me say the tamil dharma.. its against the virtues advocated by the tamil noble god "Tiruvalluvar" in his kural "Nanri Marappathu"..

Any marriage, apart from inter community marriage, holds good only when it is approved by both the family..

Today, these so called liberals, claim to establish equality, by destroying all existing cultures.. and the result will be that we have a society that knows only selfishness and could not think beyond that..

Look at the urbanites today.. and we will understand this.. the reason is that we raise above selfishness only when we come together for a common cause.. For brahmin community, it is their temples and mutt centric life which brings them above their selfish..

And for other communities, it is the kula deiva worship, and the village temple festivals that binds the community and society together..

 

[senthil]

@sangom sir,

I can think of only one way out; let us all agree to perform the marriage of TB girls as soon as they reach 18 with a suitable boy of 21 or more irrespective of the stage of their studies, earnings, etc. If the girl/boy does not agree to her/his parents' choice, compel her/him to quit the home and do whatever she/he wants and forget about her/him. Will this be a workable, acceptable proposition? Is there any legal problem involved? Members may opine.

This is one of the good solution.. marriage at 18/21 is not a wrong idea per se.. it is the age that searches for a pair, and if we fail to arrange that pair, they themselves arrange it..

Take this scenario.. when the girl/boy completes the schooling, parents can arrange the nichayathaartham, and send them to the college.. the pair will combinedly choose their field of study, and their career that will suit their life.. when their life is settled (in terms of having a family), they will automatically become responsible and work towards earning for their life..

Another attempt is to conduct community events, and promote more and more interaction among the families.. festivals can be organised collectively, and cultural and religious awareness can be imparted..

unless these are done, it doesnt make any sense to cry after everything went beyond control.. (thumbai vittutu vaalai pidicha kathai)

 

[Raghy]

Sri.Hoover Sir,

Greetings. Sorry for the very long delay in replying your message.

you should speak with the same intensity about miserable conditions of brahmin and injustice.

Sir, I request you to read my other messages in various threads, please. I am a humanist. I speak with the same intensity for everyone.

You speak like all odds with community are being done by brahmin. no. a community immersed upto its neak in philosophical speculation cannot do that and when it is just 1 to 5 percent then it is impossible.

Sir, I did not hang all the social injustices on caste brahmins neck only. Caste brahmins did have their share in perpetrating injustices. Minority status does not mean anything.

brahmin werent tyrants. and except our exclusion there is no atrocity on our account. we followed exclusivity and it is our right as far as we follow it in our personal sphere.

Exclusivity is a form of tyranny too. Exclusivity when extended to denial of temple entry, denial of education and denial of self respect, then it is very much tyranny.

you will have to accept that we are deprived of opportunity and it is affecting us socially also i.e. intercaste marriages of our girls.

Sir, I don't have to accept to the above statemment. Our opportunities getting affected has no connection to inter-caste marriages of our girls (and boys).

i must clear here two points also. there was forign rule in this country for nearabout 1000 years before independance then how we are responsible for happenings here. no one was enclined towards knowledge when knowledge was for sake of knowledge. when knoledge became qualification all turned towards knowledge.

Sir, foreigner ruling was there; but that did not curtail our lives in Tamil Nadu on the whole. We as various communities did what we liked. I can bring many examples where we discriminated even from the Maha Bharata period upto Vaikom period (very recent, under 150 years old ) to last months (where Harijans were refused entry in a suburb in Coimbatore). Nothing wrong in owning our share of the dirty deeds. About knowledge - We didn't open doors to everyone to learn in our mutts. Even when we taught to others, we did it only on the 'need to know' basis only.

there was always opportunity for others to learn languages like Urdu and English which werent languaes of brahmin why no one learned that for progress.

Sir, what opportunity are you talking about? To learn English? you must be kidding! One has to work hard most of the day to earn enough to cook food for that night. If it turns out to be a rainy day, they get stuffed (no work; no wages). You are talking as if someone went to their cheries to teach them English! I don't think such things took place.

....always living under guilt for sin not committed.

Sir, you should really read my views. I don't accept guilt; I don't expect anyone to accept guilt either.

i suggest that everyone should go through History of mr. B. R. Ambedkar. many maharashtrian brahmin helped him even in his childhood.

Sir, Mr.B R Ambedkar wanted to uplift the fellow harijans. What is wrong in that? He was not against brahmins.

I am not looking at the half empty glass but towards a near future when the whole glass will be empty.

Sir, these things are only perceptions. You are worried about the whole glass becoming empty where as, I can see the whole glass becoming full! Our views are different.

if nb s are so good why they want just girls of brahmin they should marry with other caste also in same percentage of population it is not happening. all tend to target brahmin. and like brahmin girls do tell other caste to marry their girls in lower caste than theirs and to other religion.

Sir, it is quite possible, NB boys are marrying lower caste girls too. Why do you think a brahmin girl goes out of the community? why can't you think that the community has earned one more male member? Kindly think about it, Sir.

Cheers!

 

[jaisiyaraam]

Today, these so called liberals, claim to establish equality, by destroying all existing cultures.. and the result will be that we have a society that knows only selfishness and could not think beyond that..

Namaste senthilji,

Culture is ever changing, are you referring to change in culture as culture getting destroyed?

Changes in culture is not similar to culture being destroyed by foreign culture invasion/influence by coercion/sword and/or by conversion/facilities(alluring ?) etc.,

Every older generation finds(complains ?) that there is change in cultural practices(values ?) in the next/following generation(s) due to changes in life styles (urbanization/industrialization etc., inter-cast marriage included ?)

No cultural practice has remained immune to change and most(all ?) of the times the changes has come from within the group ie people following the culture.

Thanks,
Jai SiyaRaam

 

[hoover]

shri Raghy sir,

read your post, I want to say here that I do not have any doubt about your good nature and good will.language reflects that. I generally address to all our brahmin comunity members irrespective of language and residence etc. following points are worth mentionable.
1. a minority community having peacful nature and little political powers doesnt have any choice than exclusivity. our mutts and other religious institutions are established by us and no one can claim intrusion in those.
2. exclusivity and indivdual criminal acts cannot be summed up as tyranny..
3. please go through the given statistics i think it sufficiantly prooves relation between opportunities of education/ employment and intercaste marriages.
4.proper attention must be given to my comment about knowledge and empolyment.
5. sir, i think it is unnecessary to turn towards poverty and meal for night etc. this is socialist rhetoric. either we discuss on basis of caste, for which this forum is made, or just on basis of economic conditions. brahmins are also poor in large number.
6. Honorable Dr. BR Ambedkar was the greatest reformer in last century. i do not have any objecton to his right to uplift his community. i never said it anywhere. everyone should exercise that right . we should alos follow that. what i said that brahmin were good hearted they helped him in his childhood i.e. when they were not know future.he also married with a brahmin in his later life.
7. your comment of joining male members. our caste is not a breeding farm. we have our male in sufficiant numbers and so we do not want male members from nb communities on expense of our girl and shrinking of our population.


caste is biodiversity police and security forces when choose dogs for their work like bomb disposal etc. they do not choose mongrel for that work. they choose dogs from various countries paying lakhs for that and varifying their breed, bloodline, ancestry. It is applied to humans too.
50% compromise quality human resource in govt. is spoiling the country and we are madly intended to manipulate our blood with that compromised quality human resource. failure of CWG is also due to it.
for that friend who suggested early marriages. it is an option but even then it is not sufficiant and practical. I have suggested answers like marriages among various brahmin groups in india. we go to dig the well when fire starts to burn our house. instead of that we should give brahmin convictions to our children right from childhood. it include how we are most peaceful and good nature caste on the earth, why we are different from others and therefore why we should preserve our genetic speciality.

 

[senthil]

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6. Honorable Dr. BR Ambedkar was the greatest reformer in last century. i do not have any objecton to his right to uplift his community. i never said it anywhere. everyone should exercise that right . we should alos follow that. what i said that brahmin were good hearted they helped him in his childhood i.e. when they were not know future.he also married with a brahmin in his later life.

I second all your points sir.. and specificall the above quote..

Every caste have the right to look after their community.. so as brahmin community.. It is the so called caste crusaders, who are actually disturbing the communal harmony.. With their flawed understanding of varna system, and their inability to differentiate, they think they know everything and start accusing others..

 

[Krishvasu]

very valuable points worth noting