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Brahmin Girls Marrying (Attracted towards) NB Boys

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...I will reply to your mails in detail- after I finish my umpteen house hold chores and become free for the day.

Dear MRs. VR., a home-maker's job is never done, no weekend, no holidays, no end. We men have it made, I really don't know how we finagled it -- well I know we forced it upon the women --, I know we don't deserve it. My wife keeps saying I let her do anything she wants, as if that is a complement. It may be a complement to me personally, but I think it is an indictment against human societies in general, and men in particular.

Who am I to grant her the freedom to fulfill her desires. If I can't support her in this, the least I could do is to not stand in her way. Yet, I lose my temper off and on, and I do treat her badly, I hope only occasionally, and thank my lucky stars, she thinks that is only rare lapse.

Well, what I am trying to say is, I am thankful for the participation of stalwart bards like you and your sister, while having to care for the men in your lives as well. Go forth, finish your chores, there is plenty of time to attend to urchins like myself, who, by the way, is getting ready to go bed any way.

Cheers and have a great day with love for one and all .....

p.s. Dear Mrs Raji, I have not commented on your poems, but I have enjoyed every bit of it, you have a nice sense of humor, and I like your boldness in using English words in your Tamil poems. My best wishes...
 
மீண்டும் ஒரு முறை நன்றி உரைக்கிறேன் நண்பர்களுக்கு;
வேண்டும் தங்களின் ஊக்கம் நற்கவிதைகள் தருவதற்கு!

உலகம் உய்ய வேண்டும்,
ராஜி ராம்
 
shri kunjuppu the veteran,
Yes, I will go to any extent to help such guys.
In this forum one asked me how nb and nr marriages can be compared. Now you have provided much information of such marriages form TB community itself. so that member should also read that.
second you have written that stuff 'they bringing up their daughters as Hindu'. stop that misleading arguements. It is ironic that they have daughters. even if it is true i have a vary concret objection here why that muslim women bringing up her daughters as hindu? is hindu religion superior, she thinks, than her( infested to her by her husband) own. If it is the case why she already defied the code of hindu marriage. either you become completely rationalist and say there are only two caste i.e. man and women in this world or just stop that intellectual selsmanship through which you are encouraging other brahmin girls saying "look, It is not so bad, they allow you to breed hindus and brahmin so cheers go, taste more and more people icm", You may go to extent saying that brahmin should resolve to breed their children by biological fathers of nb. I already have cleard that brhmin caste is not a breeding farm.
I am the first responding the Iyyer boy.
You need a complete introspection and a solemn speculation about existance of god. instead of misleading a peaceful and virtuous caste to doom.
caste is a devine biodiversity, acceptance is encouragement.
 
Dear Mr. Kunjuppu,

I had written that nobody has been able to pin point those "naalu peru"

I have spotted them today :)

இந்த நாலு பேருக்கு பலப் பல நன்றிகள்!

சிறு வயதிலேயே ஆங்கில இலக்கணத்தை,
பொறுமையுடன் கற்றுத் தந்த தாத்தாவுக்கும்;

மறுக்காமல் என்னை ஜர்னலிசம் படிக்கும்படி,
அறிவுரை வழங்கிய என் தந்தையாருக்கும்;

வருமானத்துக்கு மீறியதாக இருந்தாலும் கூட,
அருமையான நூல்களை வாங்கித் தரும் கணவருக்கும்;

அறிவுரை கூறி பல முறை நினைவுபடுத்தி உங்கள்
உறுப்பினராக்கிய ஸ்ரீ.
B. கிருஷ்ணமூர்த்திக்கும் நன்றிகள்!

பின் குறிப்பு :-
அந்த "நாலு பேரை"க் கண்டு பிடித்து விட்டேன் நான்! :)

with warm regards,
V.R.
 
என்னைப்பற்றி எழுதாமல் வேறு பல விஷயங்களை
உன்னித்து எழுதும்படி ஊக்குவித்த நான் எங்கே??

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அம்மணி! ராஜி என் கண்மணி!

அடுப்படியில்
வேலை என்று
அப்படியே சென்று விட்டேன் (தவறு தான்!)

போகின்ற போக்கில் தயாராக இருந்ததை
போஸ்டிங்கும் செய்துவிட்டேன் (தவறு தான்)

திரும்பி வருவதற்குள் இவ்வளவு கோபமா?
அருமைத் தங்கையின் கோபம் தேவையா?? .

இடைவேளையில் புகுந்து நீ இங்ஙனம்
தடைகள் சொல்வாய் என எண்ண வில்லை.
 
Sorry for the interruption! We seem to deviate from the topic.

Veterans and seniors please continue the discussion....
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Dear Sri. Nara, (reply to # 962)

Thank you for complementing my sister Mrs.Raji Ram, on her poems.

She started writing poems long before I even had any notion of turning towards poetry!

We fondly call her as
ராசு கவி= ராஜி + ஆசு கவி.

Her poems are well known in her large circle of friends and relatives.

She used to write about the World and I used to write about HER till very recently.

She is five years younger to me. She is my Veenai Guru. She is the one who did the proof reading and editing for all the 123 poems in my Tamil blog. But for her help, the blog could never have become a reality!

She is the personification of Diplomacy (unlike me since I too lose my temper very often).

She is the axis around whom all the family members revolve.

Always with a brilliant smile and always ready to help every one-that is my sister Raji Ram. Full name is Smt. Rajeswari Ramachandran.

I was hesitating to disclose her as my sister-since I have already established myself as the most contradicting and controversial person in the Forum
(next to you of course) :)

I am glad to have got her as my loving sister. We had the good fortune of living side by side or many years and shared many activities like games, music, swimming and dance .

We are fondly called as The Stereo Sisters by our brother, since our voices merge so well, inseparably.

She is younger, more dashing, writes about the world in the puthuk kavithai form where she can add English words, funny icons etc

I am writing about God and should stick to the classic style suitable for more serious subjects. Right?

As told by you there is a never ending series of chores for any Indian house wife.

But both of us are determined to be something more than mere house wives, the mere shadows hiding behind their husbands.

No wonder we struggle to meet both ends meet- the one where we have to write like you men folk ( who do so relaxing in an arm chair) and do the part of the slaving house wife too, giving no scope for complaints.

Hope the results will be worthy of our perennial struggle.

with warm regards,
V.R.
 
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reply to # 957.

Dear Shree. Nara,

I am used to being opposed most of the time.

Ref # 22 in the Poem a day to keep all agonies away.

Oppositions do not deter me. They make more determined.

I am V.V.Ramani. V for VETO! :)

with warm regards,
V.R.
 
reply to # 958.

Dear Shree. Nara,

Parents' admonition does not seem to have any effect on their children.

The children seem to do what they want-with or without the scoldings.

A Brahmin seeking another brahmin is discouraged in both the houses.

But a brahmin girl seeking a non brahmin gets the full support of the boy's famlly. For them she will be a feather in their cap. A brahmin girl falling for their son!!

That gives the pair a lot of courage to proceed further into wedlock.

If the B parents give in, the wedding takes place with their consent and blessings.
Otherwise it just happens without their consent.

with warm regards,
V.R.
 
Dear Mr. Kunjuppu,

Our scriptures and culture emphasize on the abstinence from acts of pleasure or at least over indulgence in them.

Even conjugal bliss is only for the sole purpose of procreating good citizens of the world.

There is a formula which goes thus:-

Twice a day defacation,

Twice a week oil baths,

Twice a month marital enjoyment ,

Twice a year caster oil treatment (for cleaning the bowels) etc.

In their teens the boys themselves will be nothing more than grown up kids. How can they get married and raise families when they themselves depend on their parents?

Even when the men get married past their prime, the population of the world is bursting at its seems. What will happen to the baby boom if the boys and girls get married in the prime of their fertility period?

With increase in the life span and controlling of killer diseases, man does not have to be in a hurry to produce off springs , the way they had to do centuries earlier.

Life has become highly competitive. People need to learn more and more to be able to survive successfully. This takes up many years before men get ready to handle the responsibility of raising a family.

"The more you have... the more you want!" This can be said to be true with reference to many things in life like money, comfort, sleep and pleasure.

A golden mean must be the best way to deal with these things.

with warm regards,
V.R.


 
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Dear Mrs. VR, Greetings!

....Parents' admonition does not seem to have any effect on their children. The children seem to do what they want-with or without the scoldings.
Yes, this is absolutely true. If we keep admonishing them they will do it secretly and when it comes out, everything comes out eventually, it becomes a traumatic experience. This is the reason I think we should nurture a kind of friendship with our kids. They still will not share all their secrets with us, but at least they will trust us enough not to conceal major life-changing decisions from us. This way we get a chance to influence them to the extent possible. I hope young couples reading this thread take this to heart.


A Brahmin seeking another brahmin is discouraged in both the houses.

But a brahmin girl seeking a non brahmin gets the full support of the boy's famlly. For them she will be a feather in their cap. A brahmin girl falling for their son!!
I don't know why an NB family of equal standing will automatically feel she is a feather in their cap. I suspect this is because of the "we are better" feeling cultivated by the thinking -- brahmin boys are smart and brahmin girls are beautiful -- fed to us by our families. This may even seem true at first blush, we tend to look at the bright Bs and forget to take into account all the also-rans like myself, or complete air-heads of which Bs have quite a few. If one looks around more broadly, we will see that native intelligence is prevalent in equally proportion among all groups of people, but Bs value education much more highly than some others due to cultural assets they have accumulated over centuries, and are able take advantage of even the dwindling opportunities and shine.

Class is another factor in this equation. A rich NB family may not view a poor B girl as a feather in their cap. In such cases the "catch" may be the rich NB for the poor B. There may also be equally castiest NBs who will insist on not crossing the caste line.

So, a blanket statement that B girl will be a trophy for NB family is not agreeable to me.

Cheers!
 
Dear Shree. Nara,

Economical conditions do affect the vision of people. It will decide who is the catcher and who is the one caught!

More than ourselves, the others think we are superior intellectually.

We are supposed to be super clean, super intelligent and super orthodox. But the inside story will be different.

I know of Bs who drink, eat meat but they remove the poonal and rudraaksham before doing so. Very thoughtful I should say! So temporarily they become NBs (minus poonal) and also there is no accumulation of paapam.

I never knew that we were Bs and Vadama etc till I was about to get married at the age of 22. Neither my father nor my grandfather added the tail Iyer with their names. They were just K.N.Raman and K.R.Narayanan.

When my college friends used to ask me whether i was Iyer, Iyangar, vadama etc, I would say that I really didn't know. They must have found it hard to believe. Nor did i care to find out from my parents.

These kinds of thoughts were not in my mind at all. The same thing with my sons. We never used to discuss and dissect people at the dining table. I have found this to be a common trait in many houses.

I have also seen that the stinking rich do not need Chastity.
The poorest of the poor can't afford to keep it. Only the middle middle class worries about all these factors and try to uphold morality to some extent.

Of course cast fanatics are there in every caste. They would rather sacrifice the happiness of their children or the children themselves than lose their honor.

Can I now jump out of this thread with you permission? Thank you!

with warm regards,
V.R.
 
Dear Mrs. VR, greetings!

Twice today you made me smile.

..... I have already established myself as the most contradicting and controversial person in the Forum (next to you of course) :)
This is so true in my case that it is almost self-evident to most members here, and it made me smile and chuckle in agreement. A dear young friend once called me an iconoclast, and I was very pleased and thanked for the compliment, but then she replied, ayio, I did not mean it as a compliment :). Crestfallen, I said to her, I will take it as one anyway.

I know of Bs who drink, eat meat but they remove the poonal and rudraaksham before doing so. Very thoughtful I should say!
Nicely done :). I have seen occasional Brahmins drinking even when I was a school kid. We were raised in a small village in a sugar factory colony. The manager's colony was almost 100% Brahmin, and the worker/staff colony was 100% NB. Our neighbor was the factory doctor, a Brahmin, and he used drink and beat his wife. He was eventually dismissed. It was a sad day.

There was no opportunity for me observe whether any of those brahmins eat meat. But, I think some of those who went outside of Tamilnadu picked up this habit, especially the ones who came to U.S. by the late 70s, I think. A few years ago I saw a recipe in a desi publication here for, brace yourself for this, "Iyengar Chicken".

Can I now jump out of this thread with you permission? Thank you!
Thank you for humoring me madam, I appreciate it. You will probably read this in the morning, so I bid you good morning and a have a great day.

best regards ...
 
brahmin girls are becoming blind seeing life. They are not able to see the truth due to undue freedom and getting money in early age.
Here I hear a commen rhetoric i.e. Brhmin boys are not bold like nbs etc. etc.
How many of us know that
Mr. Pradeep Sharm, encounter specialist,120 encounters and Mr. Daya Nayak both are brahmin. Indias first paramvir chakra, Highest award for bravery was also given to Maj. Somnath Sharma again a brahmin and recently in Kargil war again a Brahmin is awarded by this honor i.e. Lt. Manojkumar Pande. So many brahmin are working in various armed forces with honesty. Mr. Mohanchand Sharma, Ashok Chakra is also a Brahmin and was star cop of Delhi Police. In one recent competetion of special forces of all over the world including us and uk, held in Africa, India won the first price in the whole world which is a vary tough competition. and does it needs to say that both two officers commanding the indian contingent were brahmin. one of them was mr. Ranade, a marathi Brahmin. what more we need. though most of these names are of brahmin of north but all are brahmin after all. we should inspire our girl to choose the heros of real life of our caste.
Did we see this side, we should bring forward, this side of Brahmin before our girls.
 
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Dear Shree. Nara,

I am happy that I could make you smile, not just once but twice, through my mail!

Is it a compliment or another case of "ayio?"

Men folks are rude to their female counterparts.

Non-drinkers do verbal thrashing while those whose inhibitions have been removed by Soma Rasam, indulge in physical thrashing.

I don't know which is better and which is worse! :(

First time i am hearing about the Iyengar Chicken ! i am sure there must be a corresponding Iyer dish too, unknown to us!

I want to jump out of the thread so that I can go back to my creative side and write more poems and articles, now that I seem to have a group of regular readers.

I consider it an honor that you seem to be one of them! :)

Greetings to all your family members for a Haapy Dasara and Viyajadasami!

with warm regards,
V.R.
 
A Brahmin is called A DWIJA, meaning Twice Born!

The first is the actual birth and the Upanayanam, when he is adorned with the sacred poonal, is considered the second birth.

Now a days some brahmins can be called as Sarvathaja, or Nithyaja-since they are born 3 or 4 times every day (after the removal and re donning of the poonal during the course of a day).
 
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Dear Mrs. VR, Greetings!


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I don't know why an NB family of equal standing will automatically feel she is a feather in their cap. I suspect this is because of the "we are better" feeling cultivated by the thinking -- brahmin boys are smart and brahmin girls are beautiful -- fed to us by our families. This may even seem true at first blush, we tend to look at the bright Bs and forget to take into account all the also-rans like myself, or complete air-heads of which Bs have quite a few. If one looks around more broadly, we will see that native intelligence is prevalent in equally proportion among all groups of people, but Bs value education much more highly than some others due to cultural assets they have accumulated over centuries, and are able take advantage of even the dwindling opportunities and shine.


Cheers!

nara,

in my younger days i used to go every summer to my grandparents house and we used to have a outhouse with bucket.

twice a week the thottis used to come, three or four women together, and usually a man, who used to push the tin can container. those women used to fairer and prettier than my rather dark skinned relatives.

even to this day, i wonder, the ironic fact of their existence. my grandma used to drop the coins to them about a foot above, and they used to catch the falling coins.

one day i asked her why, and the reply was that their hands were tainted with human shit. my next question was, what if, we go to a shop and get the same coin back. would that not be tainted.

i still remember the slaps i got for being an adhigaprasangi.

years later, in another forum, against rather some orthodox folks, i was taunted as to whether i would let my daughter marry a thotti son. my reply was that based on what that young man did and achieve, and if he had good prospects, and he could take good care of my daughter, i will have no problem. further more, i will take that mans father hands and hold it to my eyes, for truly he is more a human being than my tauntor and rest of this crowd. hahaha.

i was immediately kicked out of that forum. one of the few high points in my life....
 
visa,

it is not a crime for a brahmin to drink or eat meat. it is a crime to do those, and yet claim to be superior and exclusive. all this proves, is that we are no better or no worse than any other group.

since india's independence, our community has gone through enormous changes. our career and education aspirations have moved at a faster pace than our mental ability to adjust to the accompanying challenge of values. if success means an MBA at harvard, and we have in our scriptures that to cross the kala pani is to lose caste, it is not much of a brainer to understand who will be the winner.

also in other communities for the past 33 years, since the dawn of the dravidian reformation came, with the rule of dmk, even more enormous changes have taken place. for the first time ever, and i repeat, for the first time ever, their familiar order and hierarchy have been threatened. no longer, can they or will they or should they, look at education as something that is not of them. thanks to periyar and MK and MGR, the farmer or the blacksmith or potter or sthapathi of today, has no guarantee that his son will follow him.

i can understand the discomfort and dismay among the older generation, and the older thinking younger generation, about the loss of values, traditions and ultimately a threat to their clan. not unlike the lament for a declining brahmin count in tamil nadu.

to me, the answer is to embrace new comers. if your daughter marries from outside the caste, evaluate him on his credentials and ability to take care of your daughter, and not on the caste. why not consider a good candidate as a son gained and not as a daughter lost. there are two colours and sides to a shield, as we all know form that old story.

is it not possible for a son in law from another group to be taught and respect and practice the brahmin traditions. is it not just possible to inculcate brahmins customs to a non brahmin daughter in law. where there is a will there is always a way. the parents are the key, to provide the leadership, the support and above all be standard beacon to the rest of the community, steadfast not only in their support and tolerate no bigotry towards their children.

these are enlightened parents, and continue to be considered enlightened, till such caste is no longer a source of concern or issue. we must not forget, that in the overall context of india, unless we change our attitudes, we are in for a fragmentation built nation, which are unravel at the whiff of any strong external wind like the USSR of old did. does not take long to separate, but it takes forever to be united.

i agree with you that the rich have their own rules, beyond anyone. the middle class appears affected but i think these are quicker to adapt. i think our poorer tambram brethren are more affected and form the bulk of the traditional element. just to give you an example, in the premises of this forum, there used to swayamvarams, which are no longer held. all over, i used to see the pix, and judging from the participants, it appeared to be the lower middle or lower groups of tambrams. i could be ofcourse completely off the mark, but my dealings with this group, have often found me amazed at the chips on these folks shoulders.

in the light of increased intercaste marriages, it is my gut feeling that very soon some day, this is going to be an avalanche and those parents who still hold on to outmoded values, are in for much grief and heartaches.


personally, i think, there are enough number of folks in this forum, who can in some sort of way provide guidance, counselling and advice, to identify values and coach them as to how to bring up children in this modern era, and provide them with werewithals for finding suitable spouses. harping on anti ic marriages, i fear will only solidify the youngsters resolve to do what they want, and thus everyone ends up in a lose lose situation.

thank you.
 
Kunjuppu,

I was also having radical views like you once. Please be practical. As I have been repeatedly telling, I have absolutely no qualms to sit with the so called untouchables, eat with them and even share with them some of my personal belongings, provided they are neat and clean.

But, having marital ties with them may not be practical. I always tell "one need not prove he is egalitarian in thought and action, only by having marital relationships with the lower strata people". By giving equal respect, treating them fairly, giving them equal opportunities and having true friendship with them etc. also, one can be fair and just to them.

Marriage is not just living together of two persons - a male and a female. There are many more issues to it. To put it in a nutshell, it first means meeting of minds, then accepting each other as they are, then accepting (or at least tolerating) each other's friends and relatives circle, place, language, religion, food, dress code, festivals and so on.

Forbidden fruit tastes better (sweeter?). If we over-emphasize certain things, many will be tempted to try the opposite. If certain things are put out of bounds, many will be tempted to reach out to such things clandestinely. If we repeatedly tell our children not to mingle with certain persons or groups, they (our children) will be tempted to know the reasons themselves in which process they will start freely mingling with those persons or groups. This principle applies to certain habits too like smoking, liquor, eating meat, premature and perverted sexual relationships etc.

My ideas are very clear. You do not label any one untouchable nor impose blanket ban on some things or actions. We shall have constant dialogue with our children, in a language best understood by them as they grow up.

In spite of reasoning out and convincing by us, if our children do certain things which are not palatable to us, blame it on the Almighty. What else, one can do in such a situation?
 
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May all we get Arab an Afro American s in laws and b in laws. who knows an Obama may take birth from an afro american father and and brahmin mother. Bravo keep on mr. kunjuppu. I suggest you to actively participate in inter religious and inter racial marriage bureaus and motivate them to marry brahmin girls. I further suggest that there is no need for a ultra liberal person like you to participate in this castiest thread. It may reduce your honor.
 
I further suggest that there is no need for a ultra liberal person like you to participate in this castiest thread. It may reduce your honor.

Hoover,
I believe you are a relatively new joiner to this forum. Mr.Kunjuppu is a long timer and has actively contributed to a lot to this forum. I'm one of those who frequent this forum just to read Kunjuppu. So, You have no business to say anyone not to participate.

I understand the mockery with which you refer to an Afro-American. To have a racial prejudice against another human being is one thing.Everyone has it to some extent. But not feeling an iota of guilt about it and spelling it out such unashamedly would make one to think- What kind of ethics you have? What does the word equality mean to you?

Hoover, all these days the society has been moving from a more unequal to a more equal one. To know this, just compare the status of women and the so called 'low caste' 100 years back and now. compare the status of Afro americas now and then. The whole world is making its move to create a more equal society. You might feel a little disadvantaged due to this. You might think you no longer have the priviliges your grandfather had due to his caste status. Your dissatisfaction and hatred might spring from this source. But you have to come to terms with it.

In a lot of places you make noises about reservations and brahmins losing out due to this. you do not realise that not only brahmins, but there are also other 'forward' castes in tamilnadu who do not have reservations. But they do not make so much noise about it. Its always us who act as if we are the only ones affected.
 
Sri. Kunjuppu said -

to me, the answer is to embrace new comers. if your daughter marries from outside the caste, evaluate him on his credentials and ability to take care of your daughter, and not on the caste. why not consider a good candidate as a son gained and not as a daughter lost. there are two colours and sides to a shield, as we all know form that old story.

is it not possible for a son in law from another group to be taught and respect and practice the brahmin traditions. is it not just possible to inculcate brahmins customs to a non brahmin daughter in law. where there is a will there is always a way.
This is exactly my thinking too. It is not practical to cut off relationship with my daughter/son if one or both of them chose NB partner. Let us be reasonable; What is more important? Our children's happiness or loyalty to the caste? We are just going in circles for about 100 pages!

Birth was never in our hand. By birth, we could have been any caste or any religion that was followed by our parents. It is nothing but a random thing. One may 'convert' to a religion; can one 'convert' to a caste? It is all very well to belong to a caste or a group, have socialising etc. But can we place the happiness of our childen on the altar for the sake of this random caste? If we did that, are we rational human beings? We don't have to go searching for ICM partnership for our children; but, personally I would place my childrens happiness before caste. Am I saying this because I am not living in India? No; I would have the same opinion even if I was in India, because, no matter where I live, still I would place my children's happiness before anything else.

Cheers!
 
rajesh,
I am exploring the same possibilities which you mentioned. and good there is nexus for bodyguarding for mr. kunjuppu. In past once I have convened to keep our paths different. but eventulally he could not and in one post challenged to me an senthil do some thing. If I am suggesting him on some firm logical foundation, what is cause of irk. and if it is, let himself write and not you. afterall I am in cocert with all of you for interreligious marriages and interrecial marriages I am hopeful someone among our thread is a prospect f in law of next Obama. why you got so much angry when I mentioned afro american and Arabs. I know you people are the psudo liberals. You accept an NB hindu in good economic conditions as s.in law and b. in law. your liberalism doesnt extends to africans and Arabs. It is covert recism of yors. You people bear an hatred for these groups. why you people are so much hesitant to accept interreligious marriages and interrecial marriages as equal as icm.
and just some one is veteran or ace is not a concern for me this is an open forum let do it only for veterans or aces.
rajesh, instead telling meaning of word equality to me. tell it to nbs which are first sucking blood of brahmin and then snatching brahmin women from us. It is just vandelism. You remember equality when marrying a brahmin girl, where your equality goes when writing caste for taking reservations and other benefits.
 
We are just going in circles for about 100 pages!
Dear Shri Raghy,

I agree with your above comment. As an observer-cum-participant in this thread, for quite some time, I feel the problem has arisen because the dialogue is primarily between denizens of two very very different worlds. India, as you may agree, will take a few more decades, if not more, to come even somewhere near the social set up of US, UK, Europe, Australia, etc. Here a person lives ensconced in his/her caste/jaati much more than in a cosmopolitan atmosphere, even if it is in a cosmopolitan city. The IT boom has favoured a large number of families, including Tamil Brahmin families, to flavour the benefits of the western culture, living standards and hence their ethos as well. The girls from those Tambram families have of late been more adventurous in finding life-partners from outside their caste/community; the boys are not so successful. (Till recently, our boys working in US, UK, etc., had a marked preference for girls born and/or brought up in India, as compared to the Tamil Brahmin girls who grew up or had spent a long time studying overseas. Now this trend is slowly vanishing.)

It is therefore easier for Tambrams abroad to accept whoever their children love, marry and bring home as their wife/husband, than it is possible for a parent here. In India also, the upper crust is not bound so much by these compulsions, as per the Gita pronouncement: "yad yad Acarati SrEshThaH ...", but the middle and lower-middle classes have to consider the opprobrium they will face from the social set-up in which they live.

Secondly, even in India I think no one will seriously object to a Tambram girl marrying a wealthy Nadar boy or a Tambram boy marrying a well-to-do NB girl. Problem arises only when the choice becomes faulty from the earthy, practical point of view. In this connection, despite all these 100 pages of discussion, we should note that not much has been spoken about a Tambram boy/girl growing up in an African country (fortunately the Tambrams are shrewd and our diaspora there is minimal) and falling in "irrevocable, divine, and sublime love" with a subsistence-level Afro-american from one of the slums/shanty towns. I suppose there are very many such afro-americans in US and UK etc., also who get predominantly assigned only menial works like lawn maintenance, waste/garbage collection and transport, and similar "inglorious" work, even from the western standards of egalitarianism. It will be instructive to know whether the members who champion equality and icms etc., will heartily agree for their children picking their life-partner from such groups.

Sorry if this also has become a lengthy post.
 
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